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ssg
United States1773 Posts
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Activision Blizzard Inc. posted a strong rise in first-quarter earnings on Wednesday afternoon, beating Wall Street’s estimates thanks to a robust debut of its “Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm” PC game. A lot more at link, including sales figures. 1.1 million day one. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/activision-earnings-rise-with-starcraft-boost-2013-05-08?reflink=MW_news_stmp Also of note: ![[image loading]](http://abload.de/img/titlesary88.png) | ||
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isleyofthenorth
Austria894 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1092 Posts
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Silencioseu
Cyprus493 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
Interesting but yet more from genericom inc. That is purely investor focused noise. | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:13 Holdenintherye wrote: New MMO from Blizzard? I might play that Project Titan, rumored to be an MMOFPS iirc (rumored a year+ ago) | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Jinky
United States64 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8524 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:22 Jinky wrote: HotS just came out. Why are people worried about LotV? Because people are afraid that it will get cut and never comes. At the start of SC2 it was planned to release hots 6-9 month after Wol. And now its not even in the long term plans. I think Titan will just WoW 2. Yea they are saying its a new universe and stuff but no company with a brain wouldn´t make a sequel of such an insane successful product. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
They might aswell drop that imo | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: I think Titan will just WoW 2. Yea they are saying its a new universe and stuff but no company with a brain wouldn´t make a sequel of such an insane successful product. hmm I dunno. I mean if people left WoW because they wanted to leave WoW then WoW 2 won't pull them back imo but I could be wrong | ||
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Inimic
Canada153 Posts
$450 000 000 from WoW in one month, which is $15 000 000 per day $ 44 000 000 from hots day1 Hence, the reason why the game lacks attention a lot of the time. They'd have to make day1 sales every 3 days to compete. So, basically SC2 is a side project. Consider yourselves informed. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: Because people are afraid that it will get cut and never comes. At the start of SC2 it was planned to release hots 6-9 month after Wol. And now its not even in the long term plans. I think Titan will just WoW 2. Yea they are saying its a new universe and stuff but no company with a brain wouldn´t make a sequel of such an insane successful product. MMOs work differently, sequels usually fail and everyone has had enough from tabbing. And one of the most important things is the battle system. But I doubt they will try to define the MMO genre completely new. So it will be based of WoW like every other mmo. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:49 Inimic wrote: I'm pretty sure they made more off of a month of WoW than they did from all of sc2 and hots. What is it, 30 million users at $15 per person? $450 000 000 from WoW in one month, which is $15 000 000 per day $ 44 000 000 from hots day1 Hence, the reason why the game lacks attention a lot of the time. They'd have to make day1 sales every 3 days to compete. So, basically SC2 is a side project. Consider yourselves informed. It's just not that simple | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8524 Posts
Don't fall for the bait. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1449 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:12 strongandbig wrote: Lol love how LOTV isn't even on "long-term" for blizzard division. To: Everyone seeing that LOTV isn't on the long-term list: Look at the top of the chart. It says focused on the "largest" and "highest margin" segments. Largest is obvious, Wow is much larger than SC. Highest margin is about ROI, return on investment, and obviously you get a much larger bang for your buck in a subscription based MMO. SC doesn't meet either criteria, and so isn't on that list. This does NOT mean it's not on any list, but its definitely not on a largest and highest margin list. + Show Spoiler + (I'm sure this will be ignored by almost everyone reading this thread.) | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:47 BigFan wrote: Well, HoTS just got released so no LoTV till at least 2015 as was mentioned so ya, doubt it'll get mentioned when the recent expansion is only 3-4 months old hmm I dunno. I mean if people left WoW because they wanted to leave WoW then WoW 2 won't pull them back imo but I could be wrong WoW is almost 10 years old. And has still quite a lot of players what is impressive. It will be interesting which buisness modell they are chosing for the new mmo. If it´s F2P it will be interesting how they will seperate from the 200 other generic F2P games that are out now. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
damn, i need to work for activision, i make them loads of cash!! if they can pull off a good action combat mmo, damn O.o | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 09 2013 06:47 BigFan wrote: Well, HoTS just got released so no LoTV till at least 2015 as was mentioned so ya, doubt it'll get mentioned when the recent expansion is only 3-4 months old [QUOTE]On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: [QUOTE]On May 09 2013 06:22 Jinky wrote: HotS just came out. Why are people worried about LotV?[/QUOTE] I think Titan will just WoW 2. Yea they are saying its a new universe and stuff but no company with a brain wouldn´t make a sequel of such an insane successful product.[/QUOTE] hmm I dunno. I mean if people left WoW because they wanted to leave WoW then WoW 2 won't pull them back imo but I could be wrong [/QUOTE] WoW is almost 10 years old. And has still quite a lot of players what is impressive. It will be interesting which buisness modell they are chosing for the new mmo. If it´s F2P it will be interesting how they will seperate from the 200 other generic F2P games that are out now. [quote]Look at the top of the chart. It says focused on the "largest" and "highest margin" segments. Largest is obvious, Wow is much larger than SC. Highest margin is about ROI, return on investment, and obviously you get a much larger bang for your buck in a subscription based MMO. SC doesn't meet either criteria, and so isn't on that list. [/quote] haha i didn´t see that thank you ! | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:49 Inimic wrote: I'm pretty sure they made more off of a month of WoW than they did from all of sc2 and hots. What is it, 30 million users at $15 per person? $450 000 000 from WoW in one month, which is $15 000 000 per day $ 44 000 000 from hots day1 Hence, the reason why the game lacks attention a lot of the time. They'd have to make day1 sales every 3 days to compete. So, basically SC2 is a side project. Consider yourselves informed. <8 million right now, was something like 13.5 million or so at its peak (long past now); but your point is still right, WoW is a money printing machine and makes them a lot more money than other Blizz franchises. The comparison doesn't really matter though, WoL and HotS were both worthwhile investments for them with a good return by themselves. You don't skip a very good investment only because you also have an even better one in parallel, they are not mutually exclusive. And I think they showed that they care for SC2 by investing into WCS. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:54 LaughingTulkas wrote: To: Everyone seeing that LOTV isn't on the long-term list: Look at the top of the chart. It says focused on the "largest" and "highest margin" segments. Largest is obvious, Wow is much larger than SC. Highest margin is about ROI, return on investment, and obviously you get a much larger bang for your buck in a subscription based MMO. SC doesn't meet either criteria, and so isn't on that list. This does NOT mean it's not on any list, but its definitely not on a largest and highest margin list. + Show Spoiler + (I'm sure this will be ignored by almost everyone reading this thread.) If that is the case I dont know why they put Blizz All-stars there, seriously how can anyone think this will take off?? | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On May 09 2013 07:06 vol_ wrote: If that is the case I dont know why they put Blizz All-stars there, seriously how can anyone think this will take off?? If they can pull off the same as dota or LoL with it, then it will be tremendous. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 09 2013 07:06 vol_ wrote: If that is the case I dont know why they put Blizz All-stars there, seriously how can anyone think this will take off?? Probably because it will release this year, so they want to highlight it. Remember, these calls exist to give stakeholders a perspective on what to expect the next few quarters, along with how their longer plan develops. It wouldn't do any good to highlight LotV right now, as HotS just released and is doing well, so that franchise is covered with that news bulletin. Us gamers/fans are far from the target audience of this kind of thing. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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dsjoerg
United States384 Posts
Blizzard seems to run on faith and passion as much as money... and SC2 is much more a project of faith and passion than a money-making project, compared to the other things they are or could be working on. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: Because people are afraid that it will get cut and never comes. At the start of SC2 it was planned to release hots 6-9 month after Wol. And now its not even in the long term plans. I think Titan will just WoW 2. Yea they are saying its a new universe and stuff but no company with a brain wouldn´t make a sequel of such an insane successful product. I believe warcraft 4 is the planned sequel to WoW, is it not? Also: HotS was supposed to come out in 2012 originally, not 6-9 months after WoL. The original time from was always 2010-2012-2014. (90% sure about this at least) | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: Because people are afraid that it will get cut and never comes. At the start of SC2 it was planned to release hots 6-9 month after Wol. And now its not even in the long term plans. I think Titan will just WoW 2. Yea they are saying its a new universe and stuff but no company with a brain wouldn´t make a sequel of such an insane successful product. LOL People should not be worried it will not come out. It is not being cut, period. HotS was very successful and the pro scene will still be going in 2 years. LotV is not in danger. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Hikari
1914 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On May 09 2013 10:43 mrRoflpwn wrote: I'm pretty sure LotV is locked in and confirmed for release once it is ready. You people worry over nothing all the time. No doubt. SC2 is still massive ROI and no chance in hell they cancel LotV. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:22 Integra wrote: WOW lost another 1.3 million subs and is down to *only* 8 million now. Not really surprising. That game is like decade old already. What surprising is it hasn't downed to like 1m yet. | ||
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Billd
Canada210 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:04 Wildmoon wrote: Not really surprising. That game is like decade old already. What surprising is it hasn't downed to like 1m yet. Their sub numbers usually swell at a release and then drop off again after awhile, not surprisingly of course. It goes without saying that people get what they want out of a new expansion and then cancel. When MoP released they went up to 10 million again, after a similar drop quoted here towards the end of Cataclysm. MoP 10 Million Subs Next expansion their sub numbers will swell again for a few months and then they will curtail again after about a half a year. Maintaining roughly 8 million and then surging to 10 million for a few months every year and a half or so? Yep, $$$. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:04 Wildmoon wrote: Not really surprising. That game is like decade old already. What surprising is it hasn't downed to like 1m yet. WoW just has such good backstory(which admittedly they are actively trying to destroy), so other MMOs have a real hard time competing with that. Also WoW was really the first MMO to truly *make it*, so atleast for me it feels like "home" so to say. I'm byfar the most comfortable when playing WoW compared to other MMOs, even if it is only a shadow of itself at best. I ofcourse cannot confirm this on a larger scale, but atleast friends of mine from WoW seem to follow a similar pattern. If we fx. compare I'd most certainly say Rift is a better/cooler game than WoW, yet I just felt there was something missing, which I could always just best explain by "It's not WoW". | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On May 09 2013 10:36 Alryk wrote: I believe warcraft 4 is the planned sequel to WoW, is it not? Also: HotS was supposed to come out in 2012 originally, not 6-9 months after WoL. The original time from was always 2010-2012-2014. (90% sure about this at least) I wonder if they plan to develop Wc4. Where will it fit in the storyline of WoW? I mean, Blizz will continue to make WoW expansions (or WoW 2) with continuous storyline because the game is a freakin gold mine. The only time-slot Wc4 might occupy might just be reallly really far after the age of WoW, which doesnt sound appealing for fans | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:25 Zarahtra wrote: WoW just has such good backstory(which admittedly they are actively trying to destroy), so other MMOs have a real hard time competing with that. Also WoW was really the first MMO to truly *make it*, so atleast for me it feels like "home" so to say. I'm byfar the most comfortable when playing WoW compared to other MMOs, even if it is only a shadow of itself at best. I ofcourse cannot confirm this on a larger scale, but atleast friends of mine from WoW seem to follow a similar pattern. If we fx. compare I'd most certainly say Rift is a better/cooler game than WoW, yet I just felt there was something missing, which I could always just best explain by "It's not WoW". People shit on WoW all the time, and while it definitely is atrocious compared to 10 years ago with vanilla and TBC (which was easily the best expansion), it was an innovator and continues to be, even if it is terrible. Not many games had the amount of endgame and multiplayer potential that WoW had/has. I played WoW from 2005-2011, and during TBC, I was completely into the game and raiding and PvP and newly added Arenas (which are a joke now (remember when it was e-sport?)). Other MMO's followed suit and tried to copy WOW's model, but everytime came up short. Rift was hyped a bit, and I played the beta, but it was missing something. The combat didn't seem to flow very well. Guild Wars 2 was fun for 10 levels, but only having the ability to use 10 spells at one time was faceroll heaven when you got the optimum move rotation down. Plus there was NO ENDGAME AT ALL. The only MMO that I feel even comes close to having the same community potential and has so much to offer is MAPLESTORY :D Shits fun, yo. I feel as though the MMO genre is really suffering right now because all the games are really the same product, but with most of them containing some, but not all, elements of MMORPGs that WoW pretty much revolutionized. As for ActiBlizzard, gogo for them. They just released HotS and they were successful with it. I feel as though the 60+40(?) dollar price-tag to get the game is turning people away from trying it. Hell, I feel like bundling WoL and HotS for 40$ might bring more people in, but they would have to go even lower than that to reap as much benefit as possible. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:51 vult wrote: People shit on WoW all the time, and while it definitely is atrocious compared to 10 years ago with vanilla and TBC (which was easily the best expansion), it was an innovator and continues to be, even if it is terrible. Not many games had the amount of endgame and multiplayer potential that WoW had/has. I played WoW from 2005-2011, and during TBC, I was completely into the game and raiding and PvP and newly added Arenas (which are a joke now (remember when it was e-sport?)). Other MMO's followed suit and tried to copy WOW's model, but everytime came up short. Rift was hyped a bit, and I played the beta, but it was missing something. The combat didn't seem to flow very well. Guild Wars 2 was fun for 10 levels, but only having the ability to use 10 spells at one time was faceroll heaven when you got the optimum move rotation down. Plus there was NO ENDGAME AT ALL. The only MMO that I feel even comes close to having the same community potential and has so much to offer is MAPLESTORY :D Shits fun, yo. I feel as though the MMO genre is really suffering right now because all the games are really the same product, but with most of them containing some, but not all, elements of MMORPGs that WoW pretty much revolutionized. As for ActiBlizzard, gogo for them. They just released HotS and they were successful with it. I feel as though the 60+40(?) dollar price-tag to get the game is turning people away from trying it. Hell, I feel like bundling WoL and HotS for 40$ might bring more people in, but they would have to go even lower than that to reap as much benefit as possible. I believe the fact that WoW is constantly changing itself every xpac is what keep it popular. If Blizzard stayed with same pattern in vanilla or BC then it would have lost a lot more subs than this. | ||
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:51 vult wrote: People shit on WoW all the time, and while it definitely is atrocious compared to 10 years ago with vanilla and TBC (which was easily the best expansion), it was an innovator and continues to be, even if it is terrible. Not many games had the amount of endgame and multiplayer potential that WoW had/has. I played WoW from 2005-2011, and during TBC, I was completely into the game and raiding and PvP and newly added Arenas (which are a joke now (remember when it was e-sport?)). Other MMO's followed suit and tried to copy WOW's model, but everytime came up short. Rift was hyped a bit, and I played the beta, but it was missing something. The combat didn't seem to flow very well. Guild Wars 2 was fun for 10 levels, but only having the ability to use 10 spells at one time was faceroll heaven when you got the optimum move rotation down. Plus there was NO ENDGAME AT ALL. The only MMO that I feel even comes close to having the same community potential and has so much to offer is MAPLESTORY :D Shits fun, yo. I feel as though the MMO genre is really suffering right now because all the games are really the same product, but with most of them containing some, but not all, elements of MMORPGs that WoW pretty much revolutionized. As for ActiBlizzard, gogo for them. They just released HotS and they were successful with it. I feel as though the 60+40(?) dollar price-tag to get the game is turning people away from trying it. Hell, I feel like bundling WoL and HotS for 40$ might bring more people in, but they would have to go even lower than that to reap as much benefit as possible. Innovative? In what sense? All they do is take the best ideas from other games and implement them well with a community that's not very easy to take away. Everyone in that community has old friends that play, guilds, and it's not easy for them to get into a new mmo without the community. Not to say that there have been very well made MMO's anyways, hopefully the Elder Scrolls one does good job. People need to put those "subscription" numbers into perspective, most of that 8-12 million is NOT the $15 a month subscriber. A lot of it is from the Asian community where logging on for 30 cents and an hour is considered a subscriber. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
It's usually talked about in the Risk section where they elaborate on any potential market risks and plans to deal with such risks: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/718877/000104746913001506/a2213119z10-k.htm Here are a few quotes from their 2012 10-k released in mid-February 2013, I felt like showed their main focus: "A significant portion of our revenues has historically been derived from products based on a relatively small number of popular franchises and these products are responsible for a disproportionately high percentage of our profits. For example, our four largest franchises in 2012—Call of Duty, Diablo, Skylanders and World of Warcraft—accounted for approximately 83% of our net revenues, and a significantly higher percentage of our operating income, for the year. We expect that a limited number of popular franchises will continue to produce a disproportionately high percentage of our revenues and profits. Due to this dependence on a limited number of franchises, the failure to achieve anticipated results by one or more products based on these franchises may significantly harm our business and financial results." "A substantial portion of our revenue and profitability depends on the success of our Call of Duty franchise in the first-person action game category. If we do not maintain our leadership position in this category, our financial results could suffer..... To remain a leader in the first-person action game category, it is important that we continue to develop new games in the Call of Duty franchise that are favorably received by both our existing customer base and new customers. A number of software publishers have developed and commercialized, or are currently developing, first-person action games which pose a threat to the popularity of Call of Duty, and we expect new competitors to continue to emerge in the first-person action category. If consumer demand for Call of Duty games declines and we have not introduced new first-person action games or added other sources of revenue, our financial condition could suffer" " A substantial portion of our revenue and profitability depends on the success of our Skylanders franchise in the "toys to life" game category. If we do not maintain our leadership position in this category, our financial results could suffer. " " A substantial portion of our revenue and profitability depends on the subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game category. If we do not maintain our leadership position in this category, our financial results could suffer. " This isn't to say they don't care about Warcraft or Starcraft, just that it's part of a smaller focus as compared to the games explicitly mentioned and focused upon in risk factors. | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: Because people are afraid that it will get cut and never comes. At the start of SC2 it was planned to release hots 6-9 month after Wol. And now its not even in the long term plans. Seriously? Blizzard would have had to have been retarded to release HotS 6-9 months after WoL... The Pros were even wanting them to delay HotS even more, as they didn't want to have to switch over... It's not like they'd earn more money off of it if they released it sooner, in fact the opposite is probably true. Absolutely no reason for that. LotV will come out. Nobody should question that. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:25 Zarahtra wrote: WoW just has such good backstory(which admittedly they are actively trying to destroy), so other MMOs have a real hard time competing with that. Also WoW was really the first MMO to truly *make it*, so atleast for me it feels like "home" so to say. I'm byfar the most comfortable when playing WoW compared to other MMOs, even if it is only a shadow of itself at best. I ofcourse cannot confirm this on a larger scale, but atleast friends of mine from WoW seem to follow a similar pattern. If we fx. compare I'd most certainly say Rift is a better/cooler game than WoW, yet I just felt there was something missing, which I could always just best explain by "It's not WoW". See for me it's the opposite. MMOs seem all pretty similar to me, so why would I bother playing another one when I'm already so familiar/invested in WoW. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:30 USvBleakill wrote: Because people are afraid that it will get cut and never comes. At the start of SC2 it was planned to release hots 6-9 month after Wol. And now its not even in the long term plans. when WoL was released they stated they were aiming for 1 expansion per year. Shortly, after WoL was released they said it'd take 18 months for HotS. When was it 6-9 months? when Brood War was out? WotLK took a year. Activision views Starcraft as a "risk averse" fall back position should WoW and CoD stop producing the ridiculously high numbers it produces. Also, Strategy Titles of all stripes have higher loyalty levels than non Strategy titles. C&C has a gang a zombified zealots that devour anything C&C... same iwth CoH SimCity, etc etc. Starcraft is a "strategic investment" by Blizzard and its Mike MOrhaime's favourite game. Thank God Morhaime is a game maker.. and not a lawyer or accountant. | ||
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