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WombaT
Northern Ireland25997 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Trilandian
Israel78 Posts
On May 13 2013 23:55 Chicodog wrote: True. After TB has gotten better at analyzing the game it will be awesome when he is joined by Mr. Showmanship... LOL.  | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9714 Posts
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Leach
United States536 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:05 Jockmcplop wrote: I hope they fake a massive hatred for each other just for a laugh... Haha that would be hilarious indeed! | ||
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality. Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it. | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote: Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it. Seriously? The pregame banter is not only great for viewers, it allows the players to get more attention and to show a bit of personality. It's great for players, and a lot of people find it interesting to listen to. If you don't, you can just mute it or something. | ||
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9714 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote: Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it. Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are. | ||
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:24 Jockmcplop wrote: Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are. I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote: Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it. Boy I bet you must be the life of the party IRL. And then you complain that players are faceless and you don't feel any emotional investment into their matches. On May 14 2013 01:31 Kinon wrote: I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all. Lol... It does affect their lives, because they choose for it to affect their lives, because they care about the people playing, which is what being a fan of someone is all about. I just... ok. I'm glad people like you are in the minority. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9714 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:31 Kinon wrote: I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all. I am constantly puzzled by people with this attitude. You seem to hate anything that will make someone some money. If that was true, i hope you didn't buy in to all this starcraft hype and buy the game. Guess what? Blizzard made a ton from it. If you want to stay emotionally detached from something, i guess that's fine, but i like to think that there are many different levels on which you can enjoy something. Just because someone enjoys it on a different level to you (by getting involved with the personalities of players, rooting for certain players over others etc.) it doesn't make that any less valid. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:31 Kinon wrote: I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all. I'm not sure the community needs someone like you anyway | ||
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
And then you complain that players are faceless and you don't feel any emotional investment into their matches. Check my post history, I never complained about faceless players. I always had the same principle as stated above. Lol... It does affect their lives, because they choose for it to affect their lives, because they care about the people playing, which is what being a fan of someone is all about. I just... ok. I'm glad people like you are in the minority. If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing. I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you. I'm not sure the community needs someone like you anyway That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote: Check my post history, I never complained about faceless players. I always had the same principle as stated above. If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing. I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you. That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business. Oh, you're one of *those* high horse people. * DURR you're all irrational and dumb for giving a shit about the sport you're watching, bask in my superiority NURR* Yeah, the community definitely doesn't need you if you're going to be so spiteful for no reason. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote: That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business. Yes we make so much money by spending $10k+ on a tournament where we'll only see at best 50% of that back in ad revenue. We are evil corporate geniuses, you have found us out, what a master detective you are. You don't affect anything, get over yourself. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9714 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote: If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing. I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you. You are actually very wrong, in a philosophical sense. If someone is invested in something, emotionally or financially, then the outcome of that thing has a real and genuine effect on their life. We create in our own minds the world we experience. Your rationality may have some issues in dealing with this, but it is basically a fact. Consider football. I am a huge Nottingham Forest fan. Its a tough life, but when we win, it cheers me up. If i am having a hard time at work or have had an argument with my girlfriend, the outcome of a football match can completely change things. By refusing to 'invest' in this, nothing would be better or worse, i would just have a completely different experience of weekends. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yes we make so much money by spending $10k+ on a tournament where we'll only see at best 50% of that back in ad revenue. We are evil corporate geniuses, you have found us out, what a master detective you are. You don't affect anything, get over yourself. I fucking love you TB. | ||
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
On May 14 2013 01:54 Jockmcplop wrote: You are actually very wrong, in a philosophical sense. If someone is invested in something, emotionally or financially, then the outcome of that thing has a real and genuine effect on their life. We create in our own minds the world we experience. Your rationality may have some issues in dealing with this, but it is basically a fact. Consider football. I am a huge Nottingham Forest fan. Its a tough life, but when we win, it cheers me up. If i am having a hard time at work or have had an argument with my girlfriend, the outcome of a football match can completely change things. By refusing to 'invest' in this, nothing would be better or worse, i would just have a completely different experience of weekends. Your the first one to actually answer my question and not flame me. You bring up a good point, 'We create in our own minds the world we experience'. But you don't actually do anything to make Nottingham Forest a better team, so isn't the joy from one of their wins a void experience? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9714 Posts
On May 14 2013 02:03 Kinon wrote: Your the first one to actually answer my question and not flame me. You bring up a good point, 'We create in our own minds the world we experience'. But you don't actually do anything to make Nottingham Forest a better team, so isn't the joy from one of their wins a void experience? Hmm... Not sure if i would call it a void experience. I think it would differ form person to person, depending on their ability (maybe just willingness) to empathize with a player, or group of players. But i would still hold that investment (time, emotional, and money) is enough to create a real sense of connection with events. My main point is that the emotion that is created by this feels real, and therefore it is real. I can remember when Taeja was on a huge winning streak. I spent a whole weekend watching MLG, i paid them to get the thing in high quality. When it was over, i genuinely felt relief and a sense of wellbeing. This lasted probably over a day.I went to work thinking about Taeja and how awesome he is at Starcraft. Could this have happened if i was just watching to appreciate the quality of the games? I'm not sure. I can watch Messi play football and appreciate that it is beautiful and awesome, but it would never beat Forest beating Leeds 7-1 on a rainy horrible muddy pitch last year. Shoutcraft is deliberately designed to appeal to that 'other' way of watching sports, i think. With esports this becomes even more puzzling. Can you empathize with someone through the medium of watching a game of starcraft, or is it the events of the game that people feel this connection with? This is even more relevant at the moment with the whole Idra thing that has happened. His 'personality' (interchangeable with controversy maybe) obviously seem to gain him more viewers. edit: These are two points of view that often clash in the world of football. The hatred all over my country of Manchester United fans is based on pretty much the same thing. Man U fans probably just want to watch the best team play, but usually people's team are their closest decent local team (or are team that has been 'passed down' through generations of a family). This leads to a surprisingly huge amount of resentment, but i honestly think the whole thing is based on this two ways of looking at sport. | ||
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