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SHOUTcraft America announced

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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 24 2013 08:34 GMT
#1


http://www.shoutcraft.com/shoutcraft-america/

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It’s time… for some intra-continental ballistic mayhem..

After over a year of absence, SHOUTcraft returns with our biggest and most ambitious tournament yet, SHOUTcraft America. 16 top players from North and South America will battle it out for a $10,000 prizepool in a “GSL-style” dual tournament. 4 groups of players, all of whom are permanent residents of the Americas, will be invited based on their Grandmaster ranking at the end of the current season (season ends May 1st). These players will compete to find out who truly is the #1 Starcraft 2 player in America.

SHOUTcraft America will be presented over the first three weekends in May, with a Saturday & Sunday show, culminating in the grand finals at the end of the month. Before each match we’ll get to hear from the players in live face-off interviews, setting the scene for the coming showdown. Players will battle through their group in an effort to reach the Round of 8, where the stakes increase with bigger prizes and a Best of 5 single elimination format. The final 4 will face each other in a Best of 7 to determine who is worthy to play in the grand finals.

Who is the Grandmaster of American Starcraft? Find out in SHOUTcraft America, broadcasting live from May the 4th, 2013 at 2pm EDT on http://twitch.tv/totalbiscuit with casting provided by TotalBiscuit and special guest commentators.

The Ideology of SHOUTcraft America:

I’d like to talk to you about why this tournament exists and our hopes for the future. Genna Bain is responsible for the creation of this event. While she is the owner of the Korean SC2 team Axiom, she, as an American has a lot of admiration for the American Starcraft 2 scene.

There is currently a growing concern as American players have struggled to compete with Korean and European players. Many are also predicting that WCS North America will rapidly become dominated by Korean talent after Season 1 has ended. The line-up already looks daunting and it would not be unfair to say that it’s likely many American players will fall to the Challenger Division. Unfortunately, Challenger is a lengthy and difficult tournament with a relatively small prize pool. It is also where many Koreans who elect to switch after Season 1 may find themselves vying for precious spots to get into the Premier Division. American Starcraft has struggled to remain competitive and many prominent personalities within the scene have stated repeatedly that there is a need for real American competition; a division in which American players can compete against each other on a regular basis. This would not only assist in developing their skills on a more level playing field, but also expand their fanbase, potential prize winnings, and sponsorship appeal. If we have any hope to bridge the gap between regions, players in America require a healthy eSports ecosystem. We want SHOUTcraft America to be a step in that direction. This is an American tournament made exclusively for American players. Participants are required to produce proof of citizenship or permanent residency in either North or South America. Players who are not citizens of a continental American country or hold a permanent residency status, such as a Greencard, will not be eligible to participate. Outside of WCS events (prior to 2013), restrictions have rarely been used in SC2 events. We believe this kind of protectionism can be a positive force for the scene and is mirrored in many sports across the world. Local competition spurs on eventual excellence and is also vital to maintaining fan interest. Fans need local heroes to cheer for and we want to start building that stage.

With SHOUTcraft America, we are taking a step towards invigorating competition on the Grandmaster ladder. Our first tournament will allow players to qualify for a spot based on their Grandmaster ladder ranking at the end of the current season. In future, we hope to hold a longer qualification period to allow more players to participate. This would also encourage a period of intense competition on the Grandmaster ladder. However, this tournament is very much a test case, a proof of concept, and has to be done within a specific timeframe. We feel that in legitimizing the Grandmaster ladder, it allows players to strive towards a very tangible goal. Rather than grinding ladder, players are fighting for guaranteed prize money. As with all our SHOUTcraft tournaments, in SHOUTcraft America, everyone gets paid. Athletes should be paid for their work and the prize money will increase significantly the further into the tournament the players advance. This not only brings positive competition to the ladder but also avoids the many issues we have seen with larger qualifier events in recent months. We have a small staff and we do not intend to bite off more than we can chew.

The questions on our minds are, “Is American competition exciting?” and “Will people watch it”? We will find out the answer with SHOUTcraft America. We’re not just relying on great games. We’ll be showing you the people behind the game. Each of the players will be participating in face-to-face pre-game interviews with their opponents. Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality. We intend to change that. Viewers will also be able to support their favorite players or reward particularly outstanding play with our unique tipjar system. No other tournament has allowed fans to tip players directly, and we think it’s a great idea as it encourages great play and directly supports those trying to make a living through professional gaming. Contributing to the player tipjars is entirely optional, but in a scene where it’s often very hard to directly support individual players, we feel it is a step in the right direction.

Games will be presented on a free stream in 720p at a smooth 60 frames per second. We will integrate various new technologies including Gameheart UI maps for a superior viewing experience. The broadcasts will also feature our in-house developed Virtual Jersey scoreboard, providing improved ROI and exposure for the sponsors that make professional gaming possible. Community casters will also be free to use any replays from the tournament on their Youtube channels or livestreams. We’ll even provide the scoreboards for you so you don’t have to make them yourself!

Commentary for the event will be provided by TotalBiscuit and special guest co-casters over the course of SHOUTcraft America. Our dual-tournament format should be familiar to most people : A double-elimination group stage leading into Quarterfinals (BO5), followed by the Semifinals (BO7) and ending with the Finals (BO7). We will broadcast on Saturdays and Sundays beginning at 2pm EDT for the convenience of both US and EU viewers. Spoiler-free series VoDs will be made available via Youtube after the show and complete 60fps Twitch archives will also be available for your convenience.

We hope you enjoy SHOUTcraft America. This tournament is funded in part by the warchest of donations we received at the end of SHOUTcraft 4. Our sponsor, Cynical Brit will be providing the remainder of funds for the prize pool. It’s been too long since the last big SHOUTcraft event. We hope with our biggest and most ambitious tournament yet, we can knock it out of the park.


Prize Pool:
1st $4,000
2nd $2,000
3rd-4th $1,000
5th-8th $350
9th-16th $75

Map Pool: TBD
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 24 2013 08:35 GMT
#2
can't wait!
ScrubS
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands436 Posts
April 24 2013 08:35 GMT
#3
awesome, sounds really cool. TB is somebody who brings alot of people from other games to starcraft with stuff like this ^^
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 08:46:37
April 24 2013 08:36 GMT
#4
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB Genna
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 24 2013 08:37 GMT
#5
Thx you TB and wife. The NA scene really needs boost. Defiantly going to watch!
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
April 24 2013 08:37 GMT
#6
We’re not just relying on great games. We’ll be showing you the people behind the game. Each of the players will be participating in face-to-face pre-game interviews with their opponents. Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged.


Aaawwwww yeah =]
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 24 2013 08:38 GMT
#7
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
April 24 2013 08:38 GMT
#8
grats polt.
as1
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
April 24 2013 08:38 GMT
#9
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl
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coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
April 24 2013 08:39 GMT
#10
Niiiiiice
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 08:41:01
April 24 2013 08:39 GMT
#11
So are the qualified people just going to be the top 16 north/south American ranked gm players?
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CarlosOmse
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany507 Posts
April 24 2013 08:41 GMT
#12
U sir are a sick nerd baller <3
awesome idea i think the community will be very thankfull for this Event as many were demanding a real Reagionlocked Tournament im gonna watch for sure
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
April 24 2013 08:43 GMT
#13
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


4 groups of players, all of whom are permanent residents of the Americas

I doubt Polt has a permanent residency, probably just a student visa.

Anyway, cool initiative, looking forward to watching it (probably on VODs since timezones are silly )
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 08:45:54
April 24 2013 08:44 GMT
#14
I’d like to talk to you about why this tournament exists and our hopes for the future. Genna Bain is responsible for the creation of this event.


Genna Bain ‏@GennaBain 14m
Going to sit here and wait the 3 seconds it takes for everyone to give @totalbiscuit the credit for my tournament.... #everytime


TL:DR for people.

Also for

Chris Loranger ‏@LorangerChris 9m
. @GennaBain nice but with ppl like me and scarlett (ezily top 16 na player) in korea; we wont have top 16 gm accounts in na so cant compete


Genna Bain ‏@GennaBain 8m
@lorangerchris It's only the beginning. Hope we can catch you the next time around. <3


As it says it's a proof of concept. If it works I think we can expect more
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 24 2013 08:47 GMT
#15
After reading the description I'm now suffering from semantic satiation. America, America, America, America, America... :p
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 08:48:27
April 24 2013 08:47 GMT
#16
noooooooo i dont ladder on NA / o \
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Lu_e
Profile Joined December 2011
United States95 Posts
April 24 2013 08:48 GMT
#17
BEAST
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
April 24 2013 08:49 GMT
#18
Hell yeah, I knew something like this was bound to happen. More smart business decisions from the Bane household I'll definitely be watching.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 24 2013 08:49 GMT
#19
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
April 24 2013 08:50 GMT
#20
Would be awesome if this became the definitive true American tournament.
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
April 24 2013 08:50 GMT
#21
Sounds great! America needs tournaments like this.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 24 2013 08:50 GMT
#22
Genna is amazing to have in the sc2 scene!

Looks like heaps of fun and hopefully more to come, it might make ladder mean more + help blizzard decide to help fix how many hackers there seems to be.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 24 2013 08:51 GMT
#23
Good for you Americans. Genna fighting! :-)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 24 2013 08:52 GMT
#24
On April 24 2013 17:49 farvacola wrote:
Hell yeah, I knew something like this was bound to happen. More smart business decisions from the Bane household I'll definitely be watching.

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Now makes StarCraft tournaments to free the people of Gotham America
You need to construct additional pylons.
Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
April 24 2013 08:53 GMT
#25
Awesome! Looking forward to seeing who ends up winning the real American WCS. Hopefully the winner will be able to eventually compete in the WCS.
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KillaRM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States40 Posts
April 24 2013 08:57 GMT
#26
Awesome, but I'm wondering is it good or bad to force players to play on NA? It can be a cool way to invite players but a lot of top level players don't spend much time on NA.
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Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 24 2013 08:58 GMT
#27
On April 24 2013 17:57 KillaRM wrote:
Awesome, but I'm wondering is it good or bad to force players to play on NA? It can be a cool way to invite players but a lot of top level players don't spend much time on NA.


I think that might be the point of this, to foster the NA scene and make new talent grow forth the best people need to be on that scene to make it grow
You need to construct additional pylons.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 24 2013 08:58 GMT
#28
On April 24 2013 17:57 KillaRM wrote:
Awesome, but I'm wondering is it good or bad to force players to play on NA? It can be a cool way to invite players but a lot of top level players don't spend much time on NA.

It seems as the idea behind it is to encourage competition on the NA ladder, which seems a good idea to me.
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
April 24 2013 09:00 GMT
#29
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
April 24 2013 09:01 GMT
#30
this is the real american WCS. hopefully demu can play
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51454 Posts
April 24 2013 09:04 GMT
#31
Anyone know if top 4 also get a small amount of WCS points for their final standing?
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:12:18
April 24 2013 09:12 GMT
#32
I'm puzzled with the notion of "permanent resident" : is it a legal definition ?

I mean, will Polt be allowed to play (he must have only a student visa) ?

And DemusliM ? I don't think he has a green card...
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
April 24 2013 09:13 GMT
#33
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.


TB said during the stream hijack of WSC NA that DeMu has documentation to make him a US resident or something? As he is not on a working VISA nor is he a student?
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:15:36
April 24 2013 09:14 GMT
#34
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!

From the op:
Participants are required to produce proof of citizenship or permanent residency in either North or South America.

So no EU or KR players (outside of the continent at least). Hackers may be a concern but so is it for most online tournaments. I'm sure they try their best to make sure no one of the players are a known hackers at least.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 24 2013 09:15 GMT
#35
On April 24 2013 18:13 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.


TB said during the stream hijack of WSC NA that DeMu has documentation to make him a US resident or something? As he is not on a working VISA nor is he a student?


Pretty sure he mentioned this in ITG episode or few back, or somewhere at least. If you have time to dig it up from a show/interview he has been, feel free.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 24 2013 09:16 GMT
#36
On April 24 2013 18:14 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!

From the op:
Show nested quote +
Participants are required to produce proof of citizenship or permanent residency in either North or South America.

So no EU or KR players (outside of the continent at least). Hackers may be a concern but so is it for most online tournaments. I'm sure they try their best to make sure no one of the players are a known hackers at least.


Even if hackers somehow manage to get in.

*Xcom voice*
We will be watching.
tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
April 24 2013 09:21 GMT
#37
This sounds really good, Shoutcraft Invitationals have always been great. Price pool is really nice too! Mr. & Mrs. Bain your contributions towards SC2 scene are to be admired. Can't wait!
Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
April 24 2013 09:22 GMT
#38
Hey guys! Thanks so much for the initial wave of support. This idea just sort of came on while I was watching my guys play in WCS qualifiers. I'm American, so my heart was breaking seeing so many spots for an NA event go to non-NA players. Not to take anything away from how awesome those players are, but I really want to infuse our region's ladder with some much needed enthusiasm.

To clarify a point some of you are bringing up : Eligibility is dependent on the player having either citizenship or a permanent residency card (green card or equivalent) for any North America or South America country.
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 24 2013 09:22 GMT
#39
On April 24 2013 18:13 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.


TB said during the stream hijack of WSC NA that DeMu has documentation to make him a US resident or something? As he is not on a working VISA nor is he a student?


Actually i just checked the VOD, at 16:35, Demuslim talks about his situation. Basically he is a foreigner, sorting out his working visa.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
April 24 2013 09:23 GMT
#40
On April 24 2013 18:22 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:13 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.


TB said during the stream hijack of WSC NA that DeMu has documentation to make him a US resident or something? As he is not on a working VISA nor is he a student?


Actually i just checked the VOD, at 16:35, Demuslim talks about his situation. Basically he is a foreigner, sorting out his working visa.


Oooo sad panda is sad
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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8525 Posts
April 24 2013 09:26 GMT
#41
Good stuff We are very fortunate to have the Bains in the SC2 scene kicking ass!
Erinyes
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany104 Posts
April 24 2013 09:26 GMT
#42
Looks awesome, like it!

For a little bit of flavour, I feel the introduction to the tournament should be Hulk Hogan's "Real American" theme song
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
April 24 2013 09:26 GMT
#43
Looks pretty sweet, only thing that I don't like is the big prize pool. I'd rather see a few smaller 1-2k events for a scene that doesn't have that many "Oh my god he is so godly I can't believe it" -players in it.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Wonderberg
Profile Joined November 2012
Netherlands112 Posts
April 24 2013 09:28 GMT
#44
even tho im not that big of a fan of tb's casting, he (and his wife) are probably one of if not the biggest contributors to sc2 atm. so eh basicly what im saying is tyvm!
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8525 Posts
April 24 2013 09:28 GMT
#45
On April 24 2013 18:26 Erinyes wrote:
Looks awesome, like it!

For a little bit of flavour, I feel the introduction to the tournament should be Hulk Hogan's "Real American" theme song


Nah - should be more like this



Prevolved
Profile Joined March 2011
United States573 Posts
April 24 2013 09:29 GMT
#46
fucking awesome, thx to the Bains!
Know thyself.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:31:14
April 24 2013 09:29 GMT
#47
On April 24 2013 18:04 GTR wrote:
Anyone know if top 4 also get a small amount of WCS points for their final standing?


That'd be great, since it is more north american than WCS NA...

Oh and I forgot, but thanks Genna (Mom of esports ! <3 )! We need more Bain-like people in Starcraft !
LiquipediaWanderer
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
April 24 2013 09:30 GMT
#48
This is exactly what Blizzard was supposed to do.
We are such a lucky community to have people like TB and Genna to step in and do this stuff for us when everyone else fails.

Thanks so much, this will be awesome!
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
April 24 2013 09:30 GMT
#49
FINALLY

an all AM tournament to showcase the talent the americas have to offer.
:-)
reDicE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1020 Posts
April 24 2013 09:30 GMT
#50
Great stuff. Really hope Demuslim can partake. He's been a big part of the NA scene for such a long time now.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
April 24 2013 09:31 GMT
#51
On April 24 2013 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:04 GTR wrote:
Anyone know if top 4 also get a small amount of WCS points for their final standing?


That'd be great, since it is more north american than WCS NA...


Wouldn't it be unfair tho? Shouldn't the points be from stuff that anyone signed up for NA WCS can play in?
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
April 24 2013 09:31 GMT
#52
is it ok if my id is a barcode on the ladder??
Progamer
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
April 24 2013 09:32 GMT
#53
Genna saving the day.

TB gets a shoutout too of course. Can't wait to watch.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:36:48
April 24 2013 09:35 GMT
#54
Oh wow, as much as many people hate on TB for various reasons you have to respect the work he puts into our community. Great to see! And Genna ofcourse
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:36:18
April 24 2013 09:35 GMT
#55
On April 24 2013 18:31 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:04 GTR wrote:
Anyone know if top 4 also get a small amount of WCS points for their final standing?


That'd be great, since it is more north american than WCS NA...


Wouldn't it be unfair tho? Shouldn't the points be from stuff that anyone signed up for NA WCS can play in?


It depends, I don't really have any problems with WCS the way they let people in (esp. the fact that they don't care about nationality).

Still, WCS NA don't do that much for the NA scene. People who are already well established got invited. Qualified players are all koreans. Then, if you wanted to try to step it up as a rising NA player, you had to beat mid-tier Korean (thing even established NA pros don't do regularly).

So, it doesn't help to grow the scene at all... People already established are already in, new players who could cross the line between amateur and semi pro are left out since qualifying was quite out of reach.

Then, it shouldn't give too much points, but a small amount would be great.
LiquipediaWanderer
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 24 2013 09:36 GMT
#56
On April 24 2013 18:31 MajOr wrote:
is it ok if my id is a barcode on the ladder??

as long as you are able to provide proof that the account is yours, why would it be a problem.
Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
April 24 2013 09:38 GMT
#57
On April 24 2013 18:31 MajOr wrote:
is it ok if my id is a barcode on the ladder??


I'll be getting a list of the top 16 accounts from Blizzard at the close date for the season, so don't worry if you are a barcode. I'll find you.
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
April 24 2013 09:38 GMT
#58
On April 24 2013 18:35 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:31 namste wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:04 GTR wrote:
Anyone know if top 4 also get a small amount of WCS points for their final standing?


That'd be great, since it is more north american than WCS NA...


Wouldn't it be unfair tho? Shouldn't the points be from stuff that anyone signed up for NA WCS can play in?


It depends, I don't really have any problems with WCS the way they let people in (esp. the fact that they don't care about nationality).

Still, WCS NA don't do that much for the NA scene. People who are already well established got invited. Qualified players are all koreans. Then, if you wanted to try to step it up as a rising NA player, you had to beat mid-tier Korean (thing even established NA pros don't do regularly).

So, it doesn't help to grow the scene at all... People already established are already in, new players who could cross the line between amateur and semi pro are left out since qualifying was quite out of reach.

Then, it shouldn't give too much points, but a small amount would be great.


I do get the whole growing the scene point, but if the NA WCS is open for everyone from anywhere, the point tournaments should be as well. Unless ofc the same thing is done in all the other WCS regions as well to give a small boost to "local" players.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 24 2013 09:39 GMT
#59
Face to face interviews, so cool, will be very interesting.
Neosteel Enthusiast
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
April 24 2013 09:41 GMT
#60
That's exactly what the SC2 scene needs. Total Biscuit seems to be one of the few people of the scene who's not delusional these days. He was right about calling the EG house a frat house (which is pretty much admitted by them now, because they're feeling the need to create another "real" training house now) and he's right about strenghtening the NA scene.

Sad that he's decided not to make a foreigner team with Axiom though, i believe that he's one of the few who could actually help his players to be on the level to compete with koreans.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 24 2013 09:43 GMT
#61
I wish Blizzard could do something similar for the north american scene.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:55:37
April 24 2013 09:44 GMT
#62
This is really good, great idea Genna.
Will make sure to support this

Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
April 24 2013 09:46 GMT
#63
DeMu is very unlucky I guess... Not invited to WCS NA even though he's better than half of the players involved, and not eligible for this tournament because is green card is not yet done.

Anyway, GG to Mrs. Bain !
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
April 24 2013 09:47 GMT
#64
On April 24 2013 18:38 Intricacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:31 MajOr wrote:
is it ok if my id is a barcode on the ladder??


I'll be getting a list of the top 16 accounts from Blizzard at the close date for the season, so don't worry if you are a barcode. I'll find you.



well the id isnt mine its my friends id but i play on it o,o
Progamer
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
April 24 2013 09:49 GMT
#65
On April 24 2013 18:47 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:38 Intricacy wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:31 MajOr wrote:
is it ok if my id is a barcode on the ladder??


I'll be getting a list of the top 16 accounts from Blizzard at the close date for the season, so don't worry if you are a barcode. I'll find you.



well the id isnt mine its my friends id but i play on it o,o


more so a shared id but the other 2 people have their own ids on top 16
Progamer
partouf
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Netherlands405 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:51:31
April 24 2013 09:50 GMT
#66
Already better than WCS NA without having seen a playerlist. Like the tipjar idea as well.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
April 24 2013 09:51 GMT
#67
Haha that Genna tweet is hilarious, I guess people often forget that she manages the Cynical Brit brand? ^^
Thank you Genna!
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
April 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#68
On April 24 2013 18:22 Intricacy wrote:
Hey guys! Thanks so much for the initial wave of support. This idea just sort of came on while I was watching my guys play in WCS qualifiers. I'm American, so my heart was breaking seeing so many spots for an NA event go to non-NA players. Not to take anything away from how awesome those players are, but I really want to infuse our region's ladder with some much needed enthusiasm.

To clarify a point some of you are bringing up : Eligibility is dependent on the player having either citizenship or a permanent residency card (green card or equivalent) for any North America or South America country.

Great initiative, Genna! Major props! <3
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Uranyl
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 10:03:05
April 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#69
I really hope that this first edition will be a success, so there will be additional.

A partnership with NASL would also be amazing. Maybe for the 2cnd edition? I can't imagine a better mixture of amazing ideas and awesome production.



Differentiated intolerance is sometimes more tolerance, than undifferentiated tolerance. - Serdar Somuncu -
JtoK
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany232 Posts
April 24 2013 10:03 GMT
#70
Great idea to find out who is the best NA Hots Sc2 player!
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
April 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#71
I am actually really pumped about this. The work Genna and TB do for this is amazing, gratz on this and GLHF.
aTcho
Profile Joined May 2012
France18 Posts
April 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#72
I think it is a fantastic opportunity to tackle down hackers.. If more tournaments to come are based on ladder ranking, then it should urge blizzard to rapidly react against hackers.
Very good idea..looking forward to it !
Kritos222
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden21 Posts
April 24 2013 10:07 GMT
#73
Yay! Thanks TB for doing this
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NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
April 24 2013 10:10 GMT
#74
This sounds like a brilliant idea Will be good to finally see who is the best AM player :D Thanks Genna and TB for coming up and sponsoring this event
Some times you just gotta wish...
Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
April 24 2013 10:10 GMT
#75
This tournament fills an important gap in the current tournament scene. Hopefully it will be a great success.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
April 24 2013 10:12 GMT
#76
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB Genna


It would appear that DeMuslim will not be allowed to participate in this tournament.
Neoattitude
Profile Joined April 2010
Guam172 Posts
April 24 2013 10:12 GMT
#77
Great idea!

Maybe something that you guys and NASL can work together with since they already have the studio set up. Just a suggestion.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 10:13:37
April 24 2013 10:13 GMT
#78
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)

If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


bahaha

wtf

#boycottidra

edit: thanks bains! look forward to watching the tour
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 24 2013 10:17 GMT
#79
this event is a better wcs NA than wcs NA. the structure actually supports the goal and message, supporting and valuing american players. rather than WCS NA which says its an na qualifier but 99% chance will just be sending koreans to the world finals.
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
April 24 2013 10:17 GMT
#80
wohoo! that sound really great! i hope we see no hackers in the top16
saiyogo
Profile Joined June 2011
Vietnam136 Posts
April 24 2013 10:19 GMT
#81
Tipjar + Gameheart FTW
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 24 2013 10:19 GMT
#82
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 10:20:58
April 24 2013 10:20 GMT
#83
This is great, hope a lot of people tune in. Props for doing something for the NA scene, and because you got TB who pulls huge viewer numbers to cast, it might just work.

On April 24 2013 19:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.

Neither Polt nor Demuslim can compete, they don't have a green card nor do they have citizenship.
Kamate
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania580 Posts
April 24 2013 10:20 GMT
#84
Thanks Genna an TB!

Also, I hope Incontrol will be invited to co-cast, for some epic awesomeness, as we saw at the last MLG!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 24 2013 10:22 GMT
#85
Smart idea from Genna :D, the people will be happy
Terran & Potato Salad.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
April 24 2013 10:26 GMT
#86
It's always nice with variation of content.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 24 2013 10:31 GMT
#87
Wonder who the guest co-caster will be? Obvious choice would be Husky, however I hope Apollo makes an appearance, for old time sake (it as a SHOUTcraft tournament after all).
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 24 2013 10:31 GMT
#88
Much respect to the organizers and great for the players.

But kind of strange to reward the scene whose organizers and fans (at least the elitist ones) care the least about growing and supporting local players. Well, maybe it shouldn't seen as a reward but a niche that can turn quite successful by itself.
Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
April 24 2013 10:32 GMT
#89
This is basically what WCS should've been o.O
Ty TotalB..- eh Genna !
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 24 2013 10:34 GMT
#90
I hope TotalControl returns as a casting duo. Looking forward to the tournament!
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
April 24 2013 10:36 GMT
#91
Thank you TotalBiscuit
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thragar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada450 Posts
April 24 2013 10:38 GMT
#92
This is amazing, thanks TB!
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
April 24 2013 10:39 GMT
#93
On April 24 2013 19:20 StarVe wrote:
This is great, hope a lot of people tune in. Props for doing something for the NA scene, and because you got TB who pulls huge viewer numbers to cast, it might just work.

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 19:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.

Neither Polt nor Demuslim can compete, they don't have a green card nor do they have citizenship.


Demuslim can't catch a break , can he :-(

Nice job TB and Genna, will be interesting to follow for sure.
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
April 24 2013 10:44 GMT
#94
This sounds wonderful.
I honestly don't know that many north americans pro-gamers (and I live in the united states lulzlulz)
so I have no idea who to cheer for.
I am sure this tournament will provide me with a new american player to cheer on.
moo...for DRG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
April 24 2013 10:47 GMT
#95
Awesome! Hope there are qualifiers for this, I want to know without a doubt that this was open to every top player in North America not just the ones popular enough to get invited.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
April 24 2013 10:52 GMT
#96
I hope my ears will hear the sweet sweet voice's of Incontrol&TB together in this tournament!
BlueEagle
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom75 Posts
April 24 2013 11:03 GMT
#97
Sweet as fuck
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
April 24 2013 11:04 GMT
#98
I read
all of whom are permanent residents of the Americas

and immediately thought:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Polt.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 24 2013 11:06 GMT
#99
On April 24 2013 18:31 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:04 GTR wrote:
Anyone know if top 4 also get a small amount of WCS points for their final standing?

That'd be great, since it is more north american than WCS NA...

Wouldn't it be unfair tho? Shouldn't the points be from stuff that anyone signed up for NA WCS can play in?

Yeah, it doesn't make sense to give WCS points from a tournament with more restrictive participation rules than the rest of WCS.
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
April 24 2013 11:06 GMT
#100
get HUK pls!!
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 11:10:06
April 24 2013 11:09 GMT
#101
On April 24 2013 19:20 StarVe wrote:
This is great, hope a lot of people tune in. Props for doing something for the NA scene, and because you got TB who pulls huge viewer numbers to cast, it might just work.

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 19:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.

Neither Polt nor Demuslim can compete, they don't have a green card nor do they have citizenship.

I agree, I think this is awesome of TB to a) continue his SHOUTcrafts and b) do something huge for the AM scene!

I'll definitely tune in (time difference permitting)!
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
April 24 2013 11:14 GMT
#102
Sick tournament, can't wait to watch it! Seems cooler than WCS NA imo.
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
April 24 2013 11:20 GMT
#103
Thanks for making this happen, Genna & TB! Sounds like it will be heck of fun.
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 24 2013 11:25 GMT
#104
C'mon Moosgills - climb, climb! Drunkenboy and Neeb are up there but I can't find the badcop.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Asirato
Profile Joined April 2013
1 Post
April 24 2013 11:25 GMT
#105
So if I am a resident on a student visa I cannot participate? That's a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 11:26:27
April 24 2013 11:26 GMT
#106
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB Genna


i doubt that demuslim has a permanent resident status.

probably just a working visa, due to the contract on EG
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
April 24 2013 11:26 GMT
#107
The British saving the Americans for the first time in history
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Aulisemia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States123 Posts
April 24 2013 11:27 GMT
#108
Here's to hoping for TB and Apollo to get back in the booth together. Looking forward to it, much more so than the WCS at this point.
The ponciest ponce that ever ponced past a poncing palour.
Phil0s0pher
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia317 Posts
April 24 2013 11:28 GMT
#109
Looks like TB and Genna are the 'Bain of Blizzard' *chuckles to myself*

But serious this is gonna be awesome. We need tourneys that help bring to light the greatness of local scenes.
Sometimes I remember that there will be a day where herO and Maru retire. And I get sad
Ucs
Profile Joined October 2010
264 Posts
April 24 2013 11:37 GMT
#110
Splendid! I love it. Hope everything goes well and there are no hackers/problems with selecting the top16 GM players.

Good luck to TB and Genna.

P.S. Thanks Genna for making this tournament.
Maker
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico85 Posts
April 24 2013 11:40 GMT
#111
this are very awesome news! im very exited with this new tournament
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fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
April 24 2013 11:40 GMT
#112
Now if only DeMusliM's green card would arrive before the end of the ladder season...
I'm stoked, hopefully QXC, and all the 'merican fan favorites can get in
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Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
April 24 2013 11:42 GMT
#113
The idea of making this ladder based is a fantastic one, encouraging people to play on the NA ladder seriously which should raise it's skill cap.

The only thing i wonder about is the exclusivity of the GM ladder, maybe it would be better just to say players with the top 16 points in all of master league? Or is it safe to say that if you are that high you will always make it into GM regardless of the exclusivity?
The world is ending what should we do about it?
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
April 24 2013 11:48 GMT
#114
On April 24 2013 17:38 skyflyfish wrote:
grats polt.

This is why i love teamliquid
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andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
April 24 2013 11:58 GMT
#115
Woohoo! Love TotalBiscuit!
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 12:03:11
April 24 2013 12:02 GMT
#116
do you get wcs points for this league ?
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
scii
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 12:06:21
April 24 2013 12:04 GMT
#117
Sounds like an amazing tournament! Will give it a watch!

Really starting to look like Demuslim would be better off out side of America. Although he has fostered one of the largest fan bases (more people watching Demuslim than MLG the last few days with 12k veiwers each day/night) and is one of the best foreign Terran's, he has been kinda screwed by every tournament so far in America. (hots)



Baws Deep All In
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
April 24 2013 12:06 GMT
#118
This. Is. Awesome. Super excited to see what comes out of this, great initiative from Genna and TB, this is the WCS I've been waiting for ;D!
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t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
April 24 2013 12:15 GMT
#119
Get IdrA please.
Courage is doing what you are afraid to do.There can be no courage if there is no fear.
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 12:17:02
April 24 2013 12:16 GMT
#120
On April 24 2013 18:41 TigerKarl wrote:
That's exactly what the SC2 scene needs. Total Biscuit seems to be one of the few people of the scene who's not delusional these days. He was right about calling the EG house a frat house (which is pretty much admitted by them now, because they're feeling the need to create another "real" training house now) and he's right about strenghtening the NA scene.

Sad that he's decided not to make a foreigner team with Axiom though, i believe that he's one of the few who could actually help his players to be on the level to compete with Koreans.


TB is great however I need to clarify one point. Genna Bain is the primary organiser of this event. TB is the man behind the mic but Genna is the one behind the scenes calling many of the shots and specifically organising this event. Perfect husband and wife team!

That said i also agree and have said so many times that another Korean team was a wrong move. I like all the Axiom players (especially like Alicia even though I am zerg!) but mass Koreas everywhere is not growing our sport.
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
April 24 2013 12:17 GMT
#121
On April 24 2013 21:02 Vertitto wrote:
do you get wcs points for this league ?


Genna said on Reddit she is reaching out to Blizzard about points
eddwaan
Profile Joined March 2013
18 Posts
April 24 2013 12:31 GMT
#122
nice nice!
LGIMMvp :D
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 24 2013 12:33 GMT
#123
so this is everything WCS NA was supposed to be? :D
mrfcb
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 12:41:32
April 24 2013 12:40 GMT
#124
edit: nvm, didnt read OP carefully enough.
Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
April 24 2013 12:43 GMT
#125
On April 24 2013 21:33 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
so this is everything WCS NA was supposed to be? :D

Exactly
eSports for life.
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
April 24 2013 12:49 GMT
#126
On April 24 2013 21:04 scii wrote:
Sounds like an amazing tournament! Will give it a watch!

Really starting to look like Demuslim would be better off out side of America. Although he has fostered one of the largest fan bases (more people watching Demuslim than MLG the last few days with 12k veiwers each day/night) and is one of the best foreign Terran's, he has been kinda screwed by every tournament so far in America. (hots)




Haha that point is so good ^ _ ^
I wonder where Demuslim would be had he stayed in europe, with regular Dremhacks, IEM's etc. to attend.
Not to forget the wcs eu seed that he would have had :S
Props to him though, i would be in such a negative mood with all this going around, be he seems happier than ever
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 24 2013 12:49 GMT
#127
On April 24 2013 17:44 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
I’d like to talk to you about why this tournament exists and our hopes for the future. Genna Bain is responsible for the creation of this event.


Show nested quote +
Genna Bain ‏@GennaBain 14m
Going to sit here and wait the 3 seconds it takes for everyone to give @totalbiscuit the credit for my tournament.... #everytime


TL:DR for people.

Also for

Show nested quote +
Chris Loranger ‏@LorangerChris 9m
. @GennaBain nice but with ppl like me and scarlett (ezily top 16 na player) in korea; we wont have top 16 gm accounts in na so cant compete


Show nested quote +
Genna Bain ‏@GennaBain 8m
@lorangerchris It's only the beginning. Hope we can catch you the next time around. <3


As it says it's a proof of concept. If it works I think we can expect more

Well easy solution is next to make it a 32 man tournament, with top 16 American players qualifing directly and for additional 16 spot a qualification mini tournament where any American resident or national can apply for
Cool C
Profile Joined November 2011
United States69 Posts
April 24 2013 12:50 GMT
#128
holy crap 10k!?!? This is going to be ridiculously awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KD6L23MUQ
PXEnTei
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States209 Posts
April 24 2013 12:52 GMT
#129
Demu, polt, and shuttle fighting
all are living here, and should be alowed to play
"Sue me, dickhead!" -Thor
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
April 24 2013 12:52 GMT
#130
Continued to be impressed and inspired by Genna and TB's contributions to Esports and the gaming world. They've been around a long time, and this is just awesome. They support and foster growth of starcraft in all parts of the world, and treat their players very well. Hope to see lots of continued success.
Nofan
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia46 Posts
April 24 2013 12:53 GMT
#131
Good on you TB
I really hope WCS doesn't stop these awesome little individual tournaments.
Also gives an incentive for pros to play on their actually accounts and not smurf all day.
And suddenly trumpets.......
Obeast96
Profile Joined October 2012
United States106 Posts
April 24 2013 12:56 GMT
#132
Damn! They're just doing so much for the local community! Keep this up Bains! Hopefully we can grow the American scene into a force to be reckoned with!
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
April 24 2013 12:58 GMT
#133
I support this 100%. I support the restrictions against non NA/SA residents. I support the use of the GameHeart UI. I love the free stream and I can't wait to see my favorite NA players play!

I will probably watch this tournament in it totality.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
GameHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
286 Posts
April 24 2013 12:58 GMT
#134
Awesome. If you guys end up with any questions about GameHeart please contact me!
Gameheart
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 13:08:01
April 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#135
On April 24 2013 21:52 SC_THORLORD wrote:
Demu, polt, and shuttle fighting
all are living here, and should be alowed to play


Pretty much this. ESL rule of residency makes more sense that the one there of permanent residency.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 13:07 GMT
#136
On April 24 2013 19:39 Quateras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 19:20 StarVe wrote:
This is great, hope a lot of people tune in. Props for doing something for the NA scene, and because you got TB who pulls huge viewer numbers to cast, it might just work.

On April 24 2013 19:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.

Neither Polt nor Demuslim can compete, they don't have a green card nor do they have citizenship.


Demuslim can't catch a break , can he :-(

Nice job TB and Genna, will be interesting to follow for sure.


Can you imagine if Demuslim wakes up this morning, sees this event and jumps on twitter to say: "I have a green card! Where's your god now?"
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 13:16:10
April 24 2013 13:14 GMT
#137
On April 24 2013 22:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 19:39 Quateras wrote:
On April 24 2013 19:20 StarVe wrote:
This is great, hope a lot of people tune in. Props for doing something for the NA scene, and because you got TB who pulls huge viewer numbers to cast, it might just work.

On April 24 2013 19:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.

Neither Polt nor Demuslim can compete, they don't have a green card nor do they have citizenship.


Demuslim can't catch a break , can he :-(

Nice job TB and Genna, will be interesting to follow for sure.


Can you imagine if Demuslim wakes up this morning, sees this event and jumps on twitter to say: "I have a green card! Where's your god now?"


I wish. Sadly, he said himself (few weeks ago) that he is working on a working visa, so i don't think thats enough.

I must say though, i don't have that good grasp on how Visas and Green cards work in US.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
April 24 2013 13:17 GMT
#138
On April 24 2013 18:22 Intricacy wrote:
Hey guys! Thanks so much for the initial wave of support. This idea just sort of came on while I was watching my guys play in WCS qualifiers. I'm American, so my heart was breaking seeing so many spots for an NA event go to non-NA players. Not to take anything away from how awesome those players are, but I really want to infuse our region's ladder with some much needed enthusiasm.

To clarify a point some of you are bringing up : Eligibility is dependent on the player having either citizenship or a permanent residency card (green card or equivalent) for any North America or South America country.


Thanks for this.

This is what people wanted from localized regional tournaments, something that allowed players from that region to play in. Excluding players like Polt and Demuslim is unfortunate but had to be done. The permanent residency/ citizenship requirement is important as it stops the WCS effect of players moving to a region to play in the tournament, limiting it to the local talent. Plus the player interviews gives background on the players.

Canadian players fighting
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 13:23:05
April 24 2013 13:22 GMT
#139
It's awesome/great and kinda sad at the same time, great because it's an all NA tournament and that we will find out who the best NA player is, sad because it's the only NA tournament and what WCS NA should have been.

Great work by TB and his crew for taking this initiative.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 24 2013 13:23 GMT
#140
Would have loved to see TB turning the knife by allowing players from the SEA region as well as China and Taiwan, but I'll take what I can get! <3
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 13:24 GMT
#141
On April 24 2013 22:14 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:07 Plansix wrote:
On April 24 2013 19:39 Quateras wrote:
On April 24 2013 19:20 StarVe wrote:
This is great, hope a lot of people tune in. Props for doing something for the NA scene, and because you got TB who pulls huge viewer numbers to cast, it might just work.

On April 24 2013 19:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Is Demuslim included? I do not know if he is a permanent resident of the US. Although, Polt should clean house seeing as he lives in Texas now. But he only really practices on Korean ladder so he's going to have to put in some work on NA to get top 16.

Neither Polt nor Demuslim can compete, they don't have a green card nor do they have citizenship.


Demuslim can't catch a break , can he :-(

Nice job TB and Genna, will be interesting to follow for sure.


Can you imagine if Demuslim wakes up this morning, sees this event and jumps on twitter to say: "I have a green card! Where's your god now?"


I wish. Sadly, he said himself (few weeks ago) that he is working on a working visa, so i don't think thats enough.

I must say though, i don't have that good grasp on how Visas and Green cards work in US.


There are whole law firms that specialize in the process and its all they do. It sucks on levels that most people cannot even understand. I never went into the field because I knew what a pain it can be.

He has to have a work visa if he is employed by EG(though they could classify him as something stupid weird) and make money while in the states. I know there are "Long Term Work Visa" out there and maybe that would be sufficient for the Baines to consider him a resident.

But in the end, it is up to them. The spirit of the rule is for NA residents to be able to compete, but it is up to them to determine what a long term resident is.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
April 24 2013 13:29 GMT
#142
On April 24 2013 21:17 Ireniicas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 21:02 Vertitto wrote:
do you get wcs points for this league ?


Genna said on Reddit she is reaching out to Blizzard about points


There should´nt be points IMHO in a region-locked tourney. And if there are points, the same should be given to EPS Germany, EPS Poland, EPS Spain, E-sport SM, Francophone Championship and so on. everything else would be pretty unfair.
DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
April 24 2013 13:29 GMT
#143
Looks awesome! Can't wait!
If your all in didn't work, you didn't pull the workers.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 24 2013 13:42 GMT
#144
On April 24 2013 22:29 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 21:17 Ireniicas wrote:
On April 24 2013 21:02 Vertitto wrote:
do you get wcs points for this league ?


Genna said on Reddit she is reaching out to Blizzard about points


There should´nt be points IMHO in a region-locked tourney. And if there are points, the same should be given to EPS Germany, EPS Poland, EPS Spain, E-sport SM, Francophone Championship and so on. everything else would be pretty unfair.


While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.

All in all, I'm looking forward to it and I have no doubt it will be really well put together; it goes without saying it will be infinitely better than what MLG did last weekend.

"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
April 24 2013 13:52 GMT
#145
I'm just glad they remembered there are other countries besides "America" in America...

Anyway, I hope Huk takes it. And Minigun beats Idra.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
April 24 2013 14:02 GMT
#146
All hail the Bane sovereigns!
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
April 24 2013 14:05 GMT
#147
Thank you for doing what Blizzard couldn't

I look forward to this, and hope the rest of us who weren't happy with WCS NA will give it the same chance we gave WCS. Show your support, people. Lets make this a rousing success from a spectator point of view as well
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
April 24 2013 14:12 GMT
#148
If I had the funds to run a tournament like this I would've 100% run it
Trilandian
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel78 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 16:57:24
April 24 2013 14:16 GMT
#149
Genna and TB save eSports once again.
Give me e-sports or give me death!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 24 2013 14:22 GMT
#150
On April 24 2013 17:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
noooooooo i dont ladder on NA / o \
n000
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+ Show Spoiler +
n0000000

You better start! We need a Washington champion!!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
April 24 2013 14:33 GMT
#151
I can see #1, #2 and #3 all from south america
-,-
ColterTV
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina163 Posts
April 24 2013 14:34 GMT
#152
Blizzard should hire TB to fix their messy WCS
ColterTV Stream -> http://www.twitch.tv/ColterTV
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 24 2013 14:39 GMT
#153
Someone is finally helping the American scene! Will watch for sure!
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 24 2013 14:44 GMT
#154
im not sure about residency. i guess polt and demuslim are either both out or both in. Neither of them optimal. Probably both out is better.
Gool
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina204 Posts
April 24 2013 14:51 GMT
#155
How many spots for NA and how many for south america?
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 15:00:36
April 24 2013 14:57 GMT
#156
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Doc.Rivers
Profile Joined December 2011
United States404 Posts
April 24 2013 14:59 GMT
#157
Sick, sick idea. Really excited for this. It's been a while since I regularly followed a tournament other than GSL. But since this is a NA-only event AND viewers can contribute via tipjar, I'm definitely going to be watching this. I also really like the fact that you qualify by ladder rank, and I really hope that remains the qualifying method. That would make it even more focused on the NA scene, as you would have to be actively playing here.

Just can't emphasize enough how awesome this is.
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
April 24 2013 14:59 GMT
#158
On April 24 2013 22:14 Grettin wrote:
I wish. Sadly, he said himself (few weeks ago) that he is working on a working visa, so i don't think thats enough.

I must say though, i don't have that good grasp on how Visas and Green cards work in US.


You have to be on a work visa in the US for at least 5 years to even apply for a Green Card in most cases, and then it is another 1-2 year wait of paperwork, interviews, etc.

I for one hope that Demuslim and Polt do not qualify. They are foreigners and I believe Mrs. Bain has wanted to set this up as a tourney for North Americans. By the way... go Canada! :p
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
DaddyX
Profile Joined April 2013
United States7 Posts
April 24 2013 14:59 GMT
#159
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:29 Xoronius wrote:
On April 24 2013 21:17 Ireniicas wrote:
On April 24 2013 21:02 Vertitto wrote:
do you get wcs points for this league ?


Genna said on Reddit she is reaching out to Blizzard about points


There should´nt be points IMHO in a region-locked tourney. And if there are points, the same should be given to EPS Germany, EPS Poland, EPS Spain, E-sport SM, Francophone Championship and so on. everything else would be pretty unfair.


While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.

All in all, I'm looking forward to it and I have no doubt it will be really well put together; it goes without saying it will be infinitely better than what MLG did last weekend.



It makes no sense to give out WCS points to a restricted entry tournament...how would it be fair to the Korean players in WCS NA who have no chance to earn this "small, but somewhat significant" points as you've said.
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 15:07:19
April 24 2013 15:01 GMT
#160
Will definitely watch! Awesome tournament incoming by the looks of it. I also love that there won't be some subjective crap about the invitees. Let the best players join, not those who were popular years ago but can't play at a competitive level anymore.

edit: Demuslim and Polt should definitely be allowed in this tournament as they are living in America and considered by many as local heros who contribute to our scene. I know I'd love to see them compete in this!
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
April 24 2013 15:05 GMT
#161
On April 24 2013 23:22 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
noooooooo i dont ladder on NA / o \
n000
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o0000
+ Show Spoiler +
n0000000

You better start! We need a Washington champion!!


Unfortunately the season has been locked . I dropped out of gm because of bonus pool smurfing for WCS. Luckily I got into gm a day or two ago but I'm low gm. It'll be awhileeeeeee to get to top 16 lol xD
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 24 2013 15:06 GMT
#162
Drunkenboi gonna win it all!
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zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
April 24 2013 15:07 GMT
#163
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.
psillypsybic!
acudoc
Profile Joined September 2011
United States4 Posts
April 24 2013 15:08 GMT
#164
Great Job Genna! I like the intent and will be there watching.
It is not wether the cup is half full or empty, but that it has something worth drinking!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 15:14 GMT
#165
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 24 2013 15:15 GMT
#166
On April 24 2013 23:59 DaddyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 24 2013 22:29 Xoronius wrote:
On April 24 2013 21:17 Ireniicas wrote:
On April 24 2013 21:02 Vertitto wrote:
do you get wcs points for this league ?


Genna said on Reddit she is reaching out to Blizzard about points


There should´nt be points IMHO in a region-locked tourney. And if there are points, the same should be given to EPS Germany, EPS Poland, EPS Spain, E-sport SM, Francophone Championship and so on. everything else would be pretty unfair.


While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.

All in all, I'm looking forward to it and I have no doubt it will be really well put together; it goes without saying it will be infinitely better than what MLG did last weekend.



It makes no sense to give out WCS points to a restricted entry tournament...how would it be fair to the Korean players in WCS NA who have no chance to earn this "small, but somewhat significant" points as you've said.


But there will be other tournaments as well, where they very much will have the chance to win an equal or greater amount of points.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
April 24 2013 15:19 GMT
#167
Will definately tune in.

Will be fun to finally see an ACTUAL foreign tournament, and see how the players match up vs eachother.

have never been the biggest fan of TB, but this is AWSOME. especially since he has no problem locking out members of his own team for his own tournament, shows true grit IMO.

Am excited to see what happens with this. Really think Demuslim might be the favorite, he showed excellent games in WCS, even took down matches vs Koreans, and was only eliminated after 3 cheeses in a row from Oz.
zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
April 24 2013 15:21 GMT
#168
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.
psillypsybic!
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
April 24 2013 15:24 GMT
#169
On April 24 2013 23:51 Gool wrote:
How many spots for NA and how many for south america?



Reading the OP its says top 16 on ladder so no reserved spots are given
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TDV
Profile Joined September 2011
31 Posts
April 24 2013 15:24 GMT
#170
Thanks to TotalBiscuit and Genna! This will be an exciting tournament!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 15:28 GMT
#171
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.


You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be.
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scii
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 15:32:39
April 24 2013 15:29 GMT
#172
On April 24 2013 21:49 Quateras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 21:04 scii wrote:
Sounds like an amazing tournament! Will give it a watch!

Really starting to look like Demuslim would be better off out side of America. Although he has fostered one of the largest fan bases (more people watching Demuslim than MLG the last few days with 12k veiwers each day/night) and is one of the best foreign Terran's, he has been kinda screwed by every tournament so far in America. (hots)




Haha that point is so good ^ _ ^
I wonder where Demuslim would be had he stayed in europe, with regular Dremhacks, IEM's etc. to attend.
Not to forget the wcs eu seed that he would have had :S
Props to him though, i would be in such a negative mood with all this going around, be he seems happier than ever


Yeah me too, but I guess it's nice having all those people tune in to watch him be him and get paid, and do something he loves. Must be a buzz.

I guess these restrictions are the only way to make the competition 'No Koreans allowed'. I would think that a big team like Evil Geniuses need Demulism to be in more competitions other than the challenger league though. (if he qualifies).

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Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
April 24 2013 15:30 GMT
#173
Big props to Genna for organizing this.
Unfortunately, I doubt DeMusliM will be able to play in this, I don't believe he is a permanent resident. Seems he is falling through the cracks everywhere...
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
April 24 2013 15:31 GMT
#174
badass sounding tournament, looking forward to seeing the best from NA and SA. on a side note, theo gogo top 16, don't wuss out!
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 15:36:46
April 24 2013 15:31 GMT
#175
On April 25 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.


You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be.


Genna said Green card or equivalent, so definition of permanent resident is pretty clear.

Sorry Polt and Demuslim

Edit: adding Genna's quote


On April 24 2013 18:22 Intricacy wrote:
Hey guys! Thanks so much for the initial wave of support. This idea just sort of came on while I was watching my guys play in WCS qualifiers. I'm American, so my heart was breaking seeing so many spots for an NA event go to non-NA players. Not to take anything away from how awesome those players are, but I really want to infuse our region's ladder with some much needed enthusiasm.

To clarify a point some of you are bringing up : Eligibility is dependent on the player having either citizenship or a permanent residency card (green card or equivalent) for any North America or South America country.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 15:38 GMT
#176
On April 25 2013 00:31 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.


You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be.


Genna said Green card or equivalent, so definition of permanent resident is pretty clear.

Sorry Polt and Demuslim


I hope it isn't that cut and dry. At one point TB didn't have a green card when he lived here with Genna, but no one would argue that he was anything but a permanent resident. I would hope they would count players that have visa's that allow paths to citizenship. They are very hard and expensive to obtain and I think the act of getting one would be enough to qualify the player for "permanent resident".

That is just my opinion. I like rules that aren't cut and dry and allow some personal judgment in situations like this. I would hate to see a player unable to compete because they are on a refuge visa or something that was beyond their control.
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betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
April 24 2013 15:45 GMT
#177
On April 25 2013 00:01 CursedFeanor wrote:
Will definitely watch! Awesome tournament incoming by the looks of it. I also love that there won't be some subjective crap about the invitees. Let the best players join, not those who were popular years ago but can't play at a competitive level anymore.

edit: Demuslim and Polt should definitely be allowed in this tournament as they are living in America and considered by many as local heros who contribute to our scene. I know I'd love to see them compete in this!


Well I dont think either will be allowed into the tournament, neither qualify as permanent residents. Polt would dominate so hard to the point of it being a foregone conclusion anyway.The whole point of it is to foster american talent while encouraging competition on ladder and give pros in America something to aim for.
126Q;A1
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden517 Posts
April 24 2013 15:50 GMT
#178
Seems like a great idea, will be keeping my eyes on this
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MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 24 2013 15:51 GMT
#179
On April 25 2013 00:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:31 MstrJinbo wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.


You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be.


Genna said Green card or equivalent, so definition of permanent resident is pretty clear.

Sorry Polt and Demuslim


I hope it isn't that cut and dry. At one point TB didn't have a green card when he lived here with Genna, but no one would argue that he was anything but a permanent resident. I would hope they would count players that have visa's that allow paths to citizenship. They are very hard and expensive to obtain and I think the act of getting one would be enough to qualify the player for "permanent resident".

That is just my opinion. I like rules that aren't cut and dry and allow some personal judgment in situations like this. I would hate to see a player unable to compete because they are on a refuge visa or something that was beyond their control.


I imagine few people know the horrors of the US immigration process than TB and Genna. Getting a green card is incredibly difficult, time consuming and expensive. It's basically unattainable for most players out there. It sucks for players like demuslim who invested a lot in a work visa but won't be able to participate, but it is a single tournament and he will get other chances.
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
April 24 2013 15:52 GMT
#180
Thank you, Genna! Lots of people talk about wanting to strengthen and support the NA scene, so it's fantastic to see a community figure actually step forward and take a stab at it. Major props.

Also, cleverly done announcing it while there's still a lot of anger bubbling about WCS NA, and also to make the $10k prize pool to avoid the ban on broadcasting during WCS. Hopefully these things will help the tourney gain traction.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 15:56:40
April 24 2013 15:54 GMT
#181
On April 24 2013 23:51 Gool wrote:
How many spots for NA and how many for south america?


Based on GM rank yo

On April 25 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.


You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be.


I think for this first tournament they should just stick to the legal definition so everyone is on the same page. It feels like this tournament was thought up pretty quickly after WCS NA qualifiers, so the minimum amount of administrative fuss would be ideal, here. Especially with the troubles from WCS NA fresh on everyone's minds.
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Dubba
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland15 Posts
April 24 2013 15:57 GMT
#182
Yes! this is going to be great! i love the format of shoutcraft.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 24 2013 16:01 GMT
#183
i hope demuslim is able to play in this. i want to meet him in the finals and beat him (trash talk encouraged, right!!?) :D
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 24 2013 16:02 GMT
#184
On April 25 2013 01:01 ROOTKane wrote:
i hope demuslim is able to play in this. i want to meet him in the finals and beat him (trash talk encouraged, right!!?) :D


Don't worry, you're so good he's not even allowed to play!
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
April 24 2013 16:10 GMT
#185
I am so utterly, amazingly excited for this. I would instantly watch this as soon as it starts!
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 24 2013 16:12 GMT
#186
TB know what to do when something is needed.
Making a fair korean team when korean teams had problems.

Now making a NA tournament when the NA scene is a bit shaken.
Nice.

Although, it's gonna be weird if they allow Polt to play.
But if they don't take Polt for non permanent residence reason,; they can't take DemusliM either...
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shelfofjustice
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada24 Posts
April 24 2013 16:15 GMT
#187
Thank you so much for doing this. Tourneys like this give us all a reason to push ourselves a bit higher
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 16:16:20
April 24 2013 16:16 GMT
#188
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 16:22 GMT
#189
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.


As always TB, you are a stand up guy and thought this through. Hopefully you can run more events like this one open up the gates a bit. Looking forward to it.
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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
April 24 2013 16:23 GMT
#190
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.

<3 This is really awesome and I hope it works out well! Thank you to genna as well!
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
April 24 2013 16:24 GMT
#191
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.


Agree with this 100%
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Utukka
Profile Joined September 2010
26 Posts
April 24 2013 16:29 GMT
#192
Sounds great, hope it goes well.
TheFlock
Profile Joined September 2011
United States389 Posts
April 24 2013 16:29 GMT
#193
Thank you Genna! and TB for all your work, this looks like a fantastic event!
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
April 24 2013 16:30 GMT
#194
Wow, this is going to be AWESOME
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#195
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.


Great work Biscuit! I hope you invite Incontrol to cast with you (i wouldn't mind if that was for the whole season). Absolutely the most pleasant casting pair of last MLG and i wish it would occur more often.
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MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 24 2013 16:38 GMT
#196
On April 25 2013 01:35 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.


Great work Biscuit! I hope you invite Incontrol to cast with you (i wouldn't mind if that was for the whole season). Absolutely the most pleasant casting pair of last MLG and i wish it would occur more often.


In the spirit of the tournament I'd like a caster like Nathanias to be brought up instead.
GenghisKhan
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom68 Posts
April 24 2013 16:39 GMT
#197
Good old TB, bringing a lot of much needed life and support to the Starcraft scene!
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CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
April 24 2013 16:40 GMT
#198
Brilliant format, just have to worry about the hackers and stuff, but I think they will get it covered. Just awesome. A reason to ladder, as well as a huge prize pool. Freaking good job TB!
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playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 16:50:17
April 24 2013 16:49 GMT
#199
Guy laughs at WCS NA. Team proceeds to have almost all of its players qualify. Then TB and Genna decide to make a NA tournament for NA players: one that doesn't require quotation marks around it. Guy is slapping every Blizzard/MLG employee in the face by owning their format, yet still making the tournament that MLG/Blizzard was too pansy to do. Have to respect that. I hope it works out for all parties involved. All I needed to see to know it wasn't a Blizzard tournament was to notice the lack of BS lines. Already a fan.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#200
TB smelling a great opportunity - well done! Everybody left and right was crying about "the missing link" in NA tournaments.
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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 24 2013 16:54 GMT
#201
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate
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testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
April 24 2013 16:59 GMT
#202
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.


Then it must be Stephano. USA USA USA Stephano USA U.S.A.!!!!
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TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
April 24 2013 16:59 GMT
#203
I feel like there is more than 16 people in NA that could win this, so to say that who wins this is the best player in NA is just not true. But I'm really looking forward to watching this.
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
April 24 2013 17:10 GMT
#204
On April 25 2013 01:49 playa wrote:
Guy laughs at WCS NA. Team proceeds to have almost all of its players qualify. Then TB and Genna decide to make a NA tournament for NA players: one that doesn't require quotation marks around it. Guy is slapping every Blizzard/MLG employee in the face by owning their format, yet still making the tournament that MLG/Blizzard was too pansy to do. Have to respect that. I hope it works out for all parties involved. All I needed to see to know it wasn't a Blizzard tournament was to notice the lack of BS lines. Already a fan.


Just because NA players are not good enough to qualify in to WCS doesn't make the format bad. It just makes the players bad.
-,-
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 24 2013 17:12 GMT
#205
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


don't worry you wouldn't have been invited anyways
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
April 24 2013 17:12 GMT
#206
Very much so needed right now in the North American scene! I'm so excited that TB is setting this up I wish there was some way that I could get involved to help out
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 24 2013 17:14 GMT
#207
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


I don't think we want you in our event with that attitude anyway.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 24 2013 17:16 GMT
#208
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.

Thanks for supporting the NA/SA scene!
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 24 2013 17:16 GMT
#209
On April 25 2013 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We had to lay down the law at some point. Either you let all "resident" foreigners in or you let none of them in. You can't let in Demuslim without letting in Polt for example. What if Violet moved back to NA for a bit, do we let him in? Even someone like Succeed who is a Swede who just moved to the US for a while, at the end of the day these players are not American talent. It's been rough for Demuslim, to the point where I felt like I had to apologize to him before this tournament was even announced. It may be for Season 2 that we allow those on long-term work or student visas into the event, but for Season 1 we want an all-American (continent...) event.

Also Major is able to qualify, he is a citizen of a continental American country. He will however have to play on the SCA schedule, since all games are played live and will have to play on the US server for all matches.


Thanks for the clarification TB. =)
I'm sure Demuslim understands, and there's plenty of good NA talents out there to be shown.

Just don't get angry at stupid people. =d
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playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 17:22:52
April 24 2013 17:20 GMT
#210
On April 25 2013 02:10 SayTT wrote:
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On April 25 2013 01:49 playa wrote:
Guy laughs at WCS NA. Team proceeds to have almost all of its players qualify. Then TB and Genna decide to make a NA tournament for NA players: one that doesn't require quotation marks around it. Guy is slapping every Blizzard/MLG employee in the face by owning their format, yet still making the tournament that MLG/Blizzard was too pansy to do. Have to respect that. I hope it works out for all parties involved. All I needed to see to know it wasn't a Blizzard tournament was to notice the lack of BS lines. Already a fan.


Just because NA players are not good enough to qualify in to WCS doesn't make the format bad. It just makes the players bad.


Did you hear about Japan starting a league? Imagine how beneficial it would be to their scene if all of the best players in the world (Koreans) took all of the spots, which they inevitably would. Everything is relative. The 100th GM on any server is "bad" compared to one of the top players on their respective servers. When one scene has an obvious head start/advantage, I'm pretty sure the solution isn't to tell people to find a way to practice 48 hours a day to make up the gap. O, and by the way, since you suck, relative to the best players in the world, we're not going to give you a shot to make any money. So... pick up a real job, while you're trying to fit in that 48 hours of practice a day.

There's no sensible person that can believe what Blizzard has spewed. There are only people that have built a business through showing Korean games that aren't willing to jeopardize it unless it is forced upon them. Everyone has their own agendas/goals. If you followed the MLG tournament, it probably shouldn't be too hard to figure out exactly how much MLG cares about players.
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 24 2013 17:20 GMT
#211
On April 25 2013 02:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


I don't think we want you in our event with that attitude anyway.


TL needs a "favorite" button.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 17:32:41
April 24 2013 17:30 GMT
#212
Don't worry about demuslim guys. Have you seen his stream numbers lately? He's making bank! I see this more as a tourney for players on less established teams and income to earn some money.

A quick glance at the NA ladder shows Idra to be the only exception. Sure you got major, suppy and some root guys, but I doubt very much if those people earn much salary at all. This tourney is for the hellokitty and jonsnows of the scene. At least that's how I see. Season 2 will probably change things depending on how they decide to do qualifiers then.
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
April 24 2013 17:57 GMT
#213
On April 25 2013 02:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


I don't think we want you in our event with that attitude anyway.


What issue do you take with his attitude, if you don't mind me asking? Is it the fact that he's looking a gift horse in the mouth?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
April 24 2013 18:11 GMT
#214
Way to go, TB. :D
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 24 2013 18:15 GMT
#215
On April 25 2013 02:57 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 02:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


I don't think we want you in our event with that attitude anyway.


What issue do you take with his attitude, if you don't mind me asking? Is it the fact that he's looking a gift horse in the mouth?


You really don't see an issue with his attitude? No issue with him calling it a bad ladder? Whether that statement is true or not, it's best not to start off insulting the ladder you're supposed to play on to qualify.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
April 24 2013 18:19 GMT
#216
On April 25 2013 02:57 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 02:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


I don't think we want you in our event with that attitude anyway.


What issue do you take with his attitude, if you don't mind me asking? Is it the fact that he's looking a gift horse in the mouth?


The whole point of this tournament is to provide incentive to make NA ladder competitive. That's why his tone/attitude is wrong in this case.
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_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 18:22:42
April 24 2013 18:21 GMT
#217
This is so great that the Bain's are doing this!

One comment: It is such short notice and the ladder stipulation for qualifying means some people have zero chance of getting there because they aren't GM (through lack of play, they otherwise would easily be) or they play on Korea etc. Perhaps it would have been better to make it top say 14 ladder players and have 2 qualifying spots. Then do an qualifier for eligible players only for the last 2 spots for anyone who is 1000+ point masters on any other server. Only problem would be policing the qualifier.

Meh still a great idea. The standard of this tournament might not be the absolute highest but the snobbery about liking GSL standard play only needs to be broken with tournaments like this. Look at WCS Europe!
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#218
This is awesome although I wish there were qualifiers but you guys said you had a short time frame so this is cool either way ^^.
When I think of something else, something will go here
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
April 24 2013 18:31 GMT
#219
I love you TotalBiscuit but its also time to understand Genna Bain's passion and she was an equal and driving force for starting Axiom and equal force perhaps greater force for designing this tournament. Genna Bain may have the secret greatest passion for SC2 on the planet!

Not that I am taking credit but I feel like TotalBiscuit read my long posts about this and made a tournament just for me I love this so much, especially with the "we want to bring out player interviews, bits, encourage trash talk (respectfully) and stuff" this is really what the scene needed.

OMG you guys can you please stop finding ways to weasel in Koreans? "Well, you know that Polt lives in Texas" its like "you know if Nestea was flown to a hotel in Texas and ate BBQ ribs he deserves to be in this" its for NATIVES.

Please resist the pressure to cave in to the Korean propaganda machine TB and Genna.

Good luck on your tournament!
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 24 2013 18:31 GMT
#220
On April 25 2013 03:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
This is so great that the Bain's are doing this!

One comment: It is such short notice and the ladder stipulation for qualifying means some people have zero chance of getting there because they aren't GM (through lack of play, they otherwise would easily be) or they play on Korea etc. Perhaps it would have been better to make it top say 14 ladder players and have 2 qualifying spots. Then do an qualifier for eligible players only for the last 2 spots for anyone who is 1000+ point masters on any other server. Only problem would be policing the qualifier.

Meh still a great idea. The standard of this tournament might not be the absolute highest but the snobbery about liking GSL standard play only needs to be broken with tournaments like this. Look at WCS Europe!


I personally have had quite enough of qualifiers over the last few weeks and am not confident we could correctly organize and police such a thing. As a result we believe GM qualification allows for a system that also provides legitimacy to the ladder and encourages competition.

This tournament is a test-case. We fully intend to create a larger tournament with a longer lead in-time which would allow those stuck in Masters to make their way up to GM over a longer qualification period. However this was impossible in the time-frame provided.
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Vindexus
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada76 Posts
April 24 2013 18:35 GMT
#221
Will there be a tip jar like the SHOUTcraft Invitationals?

I was just rereading the post mortem from #4 the other day and it was really interesting.
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NDIEKING
Profile Joined March 2013
4 Posts
April 24 2013 18:43 GMT
#222
poor KawaiiRice =( there still time.
AwesomeFossum
Profile Joined February 2013
United States312 Posts
April 24 2013 18:48 GMT
#223
Yes! This is great news for the Americas scene. I like the residency rule as well. Thanks TB!
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 18:55:35
April 24 2013 18:51 GMT
#224
On April 25 2013 03:15 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 02:57 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On April 25 2013 02:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 01:54 Let it Raine wrote:
Announce this earlier so people who choose not to ladder on a bad server can participate


I don't think we want you in our event with that attitude anyway.


What issue do you take with his attitude, if you don't mind me asking? Is it the fact that he's looking a gift horse in the mouth?


You really don't see an issue with his attitude? No issue with him calling it a bad ladder? Whether that statement is true or not, it's best not to start off insulting the ladder you're supposed to play on to qualify.


I don't take an issue with it because he's right.
I'm not sure how it compares to the EU ladder, but the Korean ladder is flat out better. As a result, some top NA players elect to practice on the KR ladder. An earlier announcement would allow those practicing on the KR ladder to switch to the NA ladder and hopefully perform well enough to qualify for the tournament. This would be good for the viewers and the NA ladder.

If the tone of his post is the issue, then I may not be the best person to make a judgement call in that regard. My lack of tact is pretty (in)famous among my friends.

On April 25 2013 03:35 Vindexus wrote:
Will there be a tip jar like the SHOUTcraft Invitationals?

I was just rereading the post mortem from #4 the other day and it was really interesting.


There will be a tip jar. It was part of the announcement.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
yousaba
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden55 Posts
April 24 2013 19:29 GMT
#225
On April 24 2013 18:30 LeeDawg wrote:
FINALLY

an all AM tournament to showcase the talent the americas have to offer.


while i like the fact there's an all AM tourny now, calling it a chance to showcase the talent of americans is a bit silly, WCS NA offers that too, people just complain that they arent talented enough to compete in it.
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
April 24 2013 19:31 GMT
#226
So sick! Really awesome of Genna and TB to do this.
Nathanias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
April 24 2013 19:42 GMT
#227
Wow this looks absolutely amazing. If there's anything I can do to help, don't hesitate to ask :D
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PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
April 24 2013 19:53 GMT
#228
Sounds awesome to me. Really nice to see Genna--and TB--do this for the scene.
Yunarc
Profile Joined March 2011
United States314 Posts
April 24 2013 19:57 GMT
#229
Hope this goes well so that this tournament can be held multiple times and grow larger to help out the NA scene.

Only thing I would like changed is a qualifier for a few spots, but I understand why tb and Genna would not even want to try doing one with the MLG mess
Jinky
Profile Joined January 2011
United States64 Posts
April 24 2013 20:01 GMT
#230
Cool! I like this. Hope it sticks and grows.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 24 2013 20:26 GMT
#231
On April 25 2013 04:29 yousaba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:30 LeeDawg wrote:
FINALLY

an all AM tournament to showcase the talent the americas have to offer.


while i like the fact there's an all AM tourny now, calling it a chance to showcase the talent of americans is a bit silly, WCS NA offers that too, people just complain that they arent talented enough to compete in it.


Well unless you want an all-Korean SC2 scene in the next couple of years, you'd best support the notion that sports competition is supposed to be done at multiple level, just like very other sport on the planet.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Eventine
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 20:38:04
April 24 2013 20:36 GMT
#232
On April 25 2013 04:29 yousaba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:30 LeeDawg wrote:
FINALLY

an all AM tournament to showcase the talent the americas have to offer.


while i like the fact there's an all AM tourny now, calling it a chance to showcase the talent of americans is a bit silly, WCS NA offers that too, people just complain that they arent talented enough to compete in it.


How does WCS NA offer that when many of the competitors are not NA or SA?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 20:39 GMT
#233
On April 25 2013 05:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 04:29 yousaba wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:30 LeeDawg wrote:
FINALLY

an all AM tournament to showcase the talent the americas have to offer.


while i like the fact there's an all AM tourny now, calling it a chance to showcase the talent of americans is a bit silly, WCS NA offers that too, people just complain that they arent talented enough to compete in it.


Well unless you want an all-Korean SC2 scene in the next couple of years, you'd best support the notion that sports competition is supposed to be done at multiple level, just like very other sport on the planet.


But the TL community only understands skill levels in SC2 based on Code S level Korean players and those able to beat them. The idea that events can be run that are not based around these levels of skill simply cannot be processed by many. How can someone even us the word “talent” if it isn't in relation to a GSL or Kespa player? You are asking people to fundamentally alter their basic understanding of how SC2 works.
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 20:45:01
April 24 2013 20:43 GMT
#234
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 24 2013 21:18 GMT
#235
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.
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CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
April 24 2013 21:20 GMT
#236
Illusion for Best American Terran ^__^
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 24 2013 21:24 GMT
#237
Dunno whether I like taking the ladder rank that serious. Would've rather appreciated a tournament involving all GM players (alot of whom are smurfs and/or do not live in America, so shouldn't have been that many players).

Anyways, if this is broadcasted during NA prime time - which makes the most sense - then I probably won't be able to catch it, but I'll definitely follow the results diligently.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
April 24 2013 21:29 GMT
#238
Both of you are pretty badass.
teide
Profile Joined July 2011
Spain178 Posts
April 24 2013 21:30 GMT
#239
wow so awesome, thanks TB.

I watch every gsl but I also love some foreigners only tournaments, specially in NA. I'll be waiting for this
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dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
April 24 2013 21:39 GMT
#240
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

I'm not worried about proof of residency or even hacking/cheating really but I am curious if anything will be required to establish absolute proof - like an over-the-player-shoulder webcam setup. I could guess a few downsides but there could also be upsides like hearing comments/reactions from the player.
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 24 2013 21:47 GMT
#241
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


How about countries that are not the USA? Not all countries have that specific drivers licenses neither do they have social security cards
You need to construct additional pylons.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
April 24 2013 21:52 GMT
#242
Amazing how "long" it took for the bitching and moaning to start.
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MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 24 2013 21:53 GMT
#243
On April 25 2013 06:47 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


How about countries that are not the USA? Not all countries have that specific drivers licenses neither do they have social security cards


Every country has their equivalent documentation
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 24 2013 21:56 GMT
#244
On April 25 2013 06:52 Broodwurst wrote:
Amazing how "long" it took for the bitching and moaning to start.


Not been that much bitching and moaning, atleast not in this thread. Unless you count questions bitching and moaning?

Not everything that people need or want to know was said in thbe statement (for obvious reasons), and the only way to find those things out is to ask.

I mean no disrespect nor do I mean to bitch and moan with my questions, if it comes off that way I apologize because it isn't my intent.
You need to construct additional pylons.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
April 24 2013 21:59 GMT
#245
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 22:02:51
April 24 2013 22:00 GMT
#246
On April 25 2013 06:53 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:47 Fluffboll wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


How about countries that are not the USA? Not all countries have that specific drivers licenses neither do they have social security cards


Every country has their equivalent documentation


Yes, but not every country has it easily available. I am not in possession of any type of identification that proves that I am infact a citizen of Sweden. If I needed such a thing I would need to contact our national tax agency. If the police asked I could simply state my personal code number and they could look it up in their database and see it, but for something like this tournament I would need to contact the tax agency.

What I'm trying to say is, if people know exactly what is needed they can go through the proper steps and get the required information should they be in a position that they might be eligable for this tournament.
You need to construct additional pylons.
Jutranjo
Profile Joined October 2010
Slovenia140 Posts
April 24 2013 22:14 GMT
#247
On April 25 2013 07:00 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:53 MstrJinbo wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:47 Fluffboll wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


How about countries that are not the USA? Not all countries have that specific drivers licenses neither do they have social security cards


Every country has their equivalent documentation


Yes, but not every country has it easily available. I am not in possession of any type of identification that proves that I am infact a citizen of Sweden. If I needed such a thing I would need to contact our national tax agency. If the police asked I could simply state my personal code number and they could look it up in their database and see it, but for something like this tournament I would need to contact the tax agency.

What I'm trying to say is, if people know exactly what is needed they can go through the proper steps and get the required information should they be in a position that they might be eligable for this tournament.


You have no identification of any sorts? Do you never even leave the country?
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 22:19:46
April 24 2013 22:18 GMT
#248
On April 25 2013 07:00 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:53 MstrJinbo wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:47 Fluffboll wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


How about countries that are not the USA? Not all countries have that specific drivers licenses neither do they have social security cards


Every country has their equivalent documentation


Yes, but not every country has it easily available. I am not in possession of any type of identification that proves that I am infact a citizen of Sweden. If I needed such a thing I would need to contact our national tax agency. If the police asked I could simply state my personal code number and they could look it up in their database and see it, but for something like this tournament I would need to contact the tax agency.

What I'm trying to say is, if people know exactly what is needed they can go through the proper steps and get the required information should they be in a position that they might be eligable for this tournament.


You can get an ID card at your local police office for roughly 300 SEK (40 bucks?). Takes a few days to get it. Problem solved.

Oh the ID card is 400 SEK, but a normal passport is 350.

http://www.polisen.se/Service/Pass-och-id-kort/

Go get it tomorrow, it's always good to have.
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CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 22:27:44
April 24 2013 22:25 GMT
#249
Can't wait for this Vibe is going to win ez pz. Scarlet is gone, huk is bad, idra raging, the only competition is TTone (trolol) . Vibe you got this brohan.

US america is best america

fixed demuslim not na gtfo.
Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
April 24 2013 22:32 GMT
#250
Vibe gonna smash some faces long as there isn't an abusive terran on a hot streak.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 24 2013 22:34 GMT
#251
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.


If people are uncomfortable with giving identifiable information to me then they don't have to apply. You're the one suggesting we release that information which is bonkers fucking ridiculous.

The way of proving you are a permanent US resident is to have a greencard, since you require one in order to be a lawful permanent resident. If you don't have a greencard, you are not a permanent resident.
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heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 22:48:52
April 24 2013 22:47 GMT
#252
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.


what? this is just plain wrong, you *can* have a social security card w/o being a citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_card

*on topic, thanks for hosting this, keep up the good work!
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 24 2013 22:57 GMT
#253
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

Hmm.... I had a US social security card longgggg before I became a naturalized citizen. So I'd imagine permanent residents can get them too...or otherwise how did I have one for all those years.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 23:05:18
April 24 2013 23:03 GMT
#254
On April 25 2013 07:57 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

Hmm.... I had a US social security card longgggg before I became a naturalized citizen. So I'd imagine permanent residents can get them too...or otherwise how did I have one for all those years.


People on work visas get them as well. I imagine its more to prove identity than citizenship.

Edit. I mean legal right to work. Don't know why I said identity :p
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
April 24 2013 23:08 GMT
#255
On April 25 2013 07:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.


If people are uncomfortable with giving identifiable information to me then they don't have to apply. You're the one suggesting we release that information which is bonkers fucking ridiculous.

The way of proving you are a permanent US resident is to have a greencard, since you require one in order to be a lawful permanent resident. If you don't have a greencard, you are not a permanent resident.


Why not just call this tournament the Patriot Act Star League? Thanks, Obama!
riddi
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
April 24 2013 23:13 GMT
#256
Cant wait for this, been too long! Also the tip jar idea was the best thing that ever happened.

Have always thought very highly of you TB, shame there is no Newcastle Barcraft nowadays and that you aint here anymore!

Thanks to both you and Genna for this
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 24 2013 23:17 GMT
#257
TB best businessman in esports. Saw an opportunity and capitalize on it. We need more intelligent people like him
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
April 24 2013 23:19 GMT
#258
On April 25 2013 07:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.


If people are uncomfortable with giving identifiable information to me then they don't have to apply. You're the one suggesting we release that information which is bonkers fucking ridiculous.

The way of proving you are a permanent US resident is to have a greencard, since you require one in order to be a lawful permanent resident. If you don't have a greencard, you are not a permanent resident.


It was a theoretical question posed because I guarantee you will have people on the internet doubting that participants meet the residency requirements you put out, especially if they are a new name and face. It's good to see from your responses that you wouldn't play willy-nilly with people's information.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 24 2013 23:24 GMT
#259
On April 25 2013 08:17 Klipsys wrote:
TB best businessman in esports. Saw an opportunity and capitalize on it. We need more intelligent people like him


Give credit where it's due. Thank the Good Wife.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Solisan
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden8 Posts
April 24 2013 23:25 GMT
#260
Time for idras comeback!!? :D
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
April 24 2013 23:27 GMT
#261
On April 25 2013 08:19 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.


If people are uncomfortable with giving identifiable information to me then they don't have to apply. You're the one suggesting we release that information which is bonkers fucking ridiculous.

The way of proving you are a permanent US resident is to have a greencard, since you require one in order to be a lawful permanent resident. If you don't have a greencard, you are not a permanent resident.


It was a theoretical question posed because I guarantee you will have people on the internet doubting that participants meet the residency requirements you put out, especially if they are a new name and face. It's good to see from your responses that you wouldn't play willy-nilly with people's information.


Why would you even think that he would "play willy-nilly" at all? And since when has TB given a damn about what people on the internet say or think?
Best in the world at what I do
Trilandian
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel78 Posts
April 24 2013 23:28 GMT
#262
On April 25 2013 06:52 Broodwurst wrote:
Amazing how "long" it took for the bitching and moaning to start.


I know, right? -_-

Fucking internet, man. Always gonna bump into assholes who'll find a way to complain about a perfectly good thing.
Give me e-sports or give me death!
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 24 2013 23:33 GMT
#263
On April 25 2013 08:24 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:17 Klipsys wrote:
TB best businessman in esports. Saw an opportunity and capitalize on it. We need more intelligent people like him


Give credit where it's due. Thank the Good Wife.



Oh my, I wasn't being fair was I. Yes, she shares a large portion of the credit as well. Sorry for being slightly misogynistic
Hudson Valley Progamer
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
April 24 2013 23:37 GMT
#264
thank the lord i feel was feeling really depressed about the na scene because there seems to be alot of good players with no way to show off their skills!
Terran Metal for the Win
Draxtier
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada10 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 23:44:45
April 24 2013 23:42 GMT
#265
I think this is great and I'll be very excited to watch! Huge props to Genna and John for taking the initiative and putting this together. I wish them every success with the venture.

My one concern, which is really more of a question than a concern, is whether the way the prize pool is being distributed is too top-heavy, and if it might be better for all concerned if there was less of a disparity in earnings between the winner and the lower half of the bracket. Root Catz has been outspoken about this issue, and articulates it far better than I can. But the gist of it is that a format which distributes prize money more evenly helps to foster the community and encourage development, since lower placing competitors can still make enough to pay the bills, even without highly lucrative sponsorship deals. Professional golf and tennis tournaments are examples of that sort of format, where dominant players, like your Tiger Woods or Roger Federer really make money from endorsements, while lower tier players, who don't get the endorsements, still get by decently on their winnings, and can afford to focus on their game as a career.

Since this tournament is all about putting the focus on SC2 talent in North and South America, and fostering the scene in these regions, I'd really like to hear Genna or TB's thoughts on this prize pool and SC2 prize pools in general. Also, if you guys haven't, I'd encourage you to get in touch with Catz!
CallmeMuppet
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland176 Posts
April 24 2013 23:46 GMT
#266
Well, I will watch this and I really hope to see some new faces on the board
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 24 2013 23:58 GMT
#267
Very excited!!!!
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klipik12
Profile Joined March 2012
United States241 Posts
April 25 2013 00:35 GMT
#268
On April 25 2013 08:42 Draxtier wrote:
My one concern, which is really more of a question than a concern, is whether the way the prize pool is being distributed is too top-heavy, and if it might be better for all concerned if there was less of a disparity in earnings between the winner and the lower half of the bracket.


It's a one-day, online tournament. It's not something like WCS where you have to play and train for many weeks at a time, or like MLG where you probably have to fly there.
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Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 25 2013 00:37 GMT
#269
Looking at the NA GM Ladder Ranking there are quite a few people there I have no idea who they are so will be interesting to see who ends up in the tournament
You need to construct additional pylons.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
April 25 2013 00:43 GMT
#270
As expected, DeMusliM confirmed on stream that he is not invited to Shoutcraft America. It sounds like Genna reached out in advance to him to apologize, which is nice of her. I think the clear residency rule is good and makes sense, but it does mean Ben gets screwed in both WCS and Shoutcraft! hopefully DeMusliM manages to get official US residency, if he intends to keep playing from the US for the forseeable future.
Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
April 25 2013 01:03 GMT
#271
TB was good enough to reach out prior to our announcement I believe. I have a lot of remorse over Demu not being able to participate in my event, but that's not to say I won't eventually hold something like this for EU-only players. There are also some NA players who do not actually play on the NA ladder, like HuK... although he says he will be back on NA ladder soon.

Wish I could save all of esports, but I'm afraid I have to take these things one at a time....
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
Eventine
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
April 25 2013 01:05 GMT
#272
On April 25 2013 08:03 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:57 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

Hmm.... I had a US social security card longgggg before I became a naturalized citizen. So I'd imagine permanent residents can get them too...or otherwise how did I have one for all those years.


People on work visas get them as well. I imagine its more to prove identity than citizenship.

Edit. I mean legal right to work. Don't know why I said identity :p


Social security card doesn't prove citizenship nor residency. Now depending on how TB and Genna want to run the tournament, the card might be enough. Proving citizenship can be difficult if someone doesn't have a passport, maybe a birth certificate is enough. But at end of the day, none of this matters because it's their tournament, they are funding it, and however they want to format the tournament, is how the tournament will be formatted.

Just appreciate that people are willing to create these tournaments and give gamers opportunities for funding.
You are everything, I never knew, I always wanted.
makemescv
Profile Joined February 2012
3 Posts
April 25 2013 01:06 GMT
#273
This is a great idea! More good content!!! I love the fact that its focusing on a region.
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 25 2013 01:08 GMT
#274
On April 25 2013 10:03 Intricacy wrote:
TB was good enough to reach out prior to our announcement I believe. I have a lot of remorse over Demu not being able to participate in my event, but that's not to say I won't eventually hold something like this for EU-only players. There are also some NA players who do not actually play on the NA ladder, like HuK... although he says he will be back on NA ladder soon.

Wish I could save all of esports, but I'm afraid I have to take these things one at a time....


You're doing great work and this tournament is a great initiative. Would've been great to see DeMu in it but the line has to be drawn somewhere and some people will sadly fall just outside it
You need to construct additional pylons.
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 01:27:42
April 25 2013 01:27 GMT
#275
I just want to throw my support for this; WCS NA (well, A, not NA) done right. I'll watch the crap out of this <3 Genna Bain.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
April 25 2013 01:34 GMT
#276
Cant wait for some TotalBiscuit action. Sadly I will probably be criticizing the gameplay a lot while eating doritos with my friends...
Long live the Boss Toss!
Inkblood
Profile Joined February 2010
United States463 Posts
April 25 2013 01:47 GMT
#277
Sick city! Really nice to see an event like this. Massive thanks to Genna Bain and TB, I’ll definitely be tuning in!
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
April 25 2013 02:04 GMT
#278
Awesome news!
papabear1990
Profile Joined September 2012
United States42 Posts
April 25 2013 02:29 GMT
#279
ahhhh yeahh!
BaaL`
Profile Joined May 2010
297 Posts
April 25 2013 02:51 GMT
#280
Hmm pretty great!

So who are actual contenders for this? I actually can't think of a single NA/SA player that is on the very highest level. On the GM ladder the top 3 is British/French/Korean. The only ones I could think of are Scarlett and HuK (idk if he's even good anymore), but they don't play NA ladder.

Personally I think all the WCS going on will satisfy my SC2 watching needs, the EU/KR version in particular will just be higher level I guess.

Very good though for the players to have something like this, maybe I will check the finals just to see who it will actually be. I don't have any clue, as I said I can't think of even a single really legit good American :X
Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
April 25 2013 02:56 GMT
#281
This sounds fantastic, I'm a bit upset I didn't click this thread sooner.
Without a community, we're all just a bunch of geeks.
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 06:48 GMT
#282
On April 24 2013 22:52 Shinespark wrote:
I'm just glad they remembered there are other countries besides "America" in America...

Anyway, I hope Huk takes it. And Minigun beats Idra.

there was a post earlier in the thread where huk said that he and scarlett were out of luck since they are in korea and will not have the ranking to compete.
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 06:49 GMT
#283
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.

but . . . you want . . . reading and comprehension?!? :-D
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 07:04 GMT
#284
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

are you quite certain?
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 25 2013 09:51 GMT
#285
Really shows a lot of what is wrong with people. There are 16 people who have to send some kind of proof they can take part in this tournament. Maybe let them and Genna/TB sort that out themselves instead of complaining about something that is not of the slightest interest to yourself?
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
April 25 2013 13:45 GMT
#286
Hm, come to think of it, you might probably run these once a month or so! That way you could circumvent the stupid 10k non-compete from Blizzard.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 25 2013 14:02 GMT
#287
On April 25 2013 18:51 grs wrote:
Really shows a lot of what is wrong with people. There are 16 people who have to send some kind of proof they can take part in this tournament. Maybe let them and Genna/TB sort that out themselves instead of complaining about something that is not of the slightest interest to yourself?


The questions being asked pertains to certain interest no? That usually is the case with questions, you want to know the answer.

I don't think anyone thinks this initiative is bad in any way but some information were left out and some of us wanted to know the specifics in certain areas.
I personally dropped the subject since it isn't relevant to me since I can't compete (nor am I good enough) and in the end I trust Genna and John to do a great job, but my interest in the answers is still there just not important enough to harass them with.
You need to construct additional pylons.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 25 2013 15:08 GMT
#288
On April 25 2013 23:02 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 18:51 grs wrote:
Really shows a lot of what is wrong with people. There are 16 people who have to send some kind of proof they can take part in this tournament. Maybe let them and Genna/TB sort that out themselves instead of complaining about something that is not of the slightest interest to yourself?


The questions being asked pertains to certain interest no? That usually is the case with questions, you want to know the answer.

I don't think anyone thinks this initiative is bad in any way but some information were left out and some of us wanted to know the specifics in certain areas.
I personally dropped the subject since it isn't relevant to me since I can't compete (nor am I good enough) and in the end I trust Genna and John to do a great job, but my interest in the answers is still there just not important enough to harass them with.

As you stated yourself, it is not relevant to you and the questions are there to harras people. That's what I meant and it seems we agree.
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
April 25 2013 17:21 GMT
#289
Awesome job GB

If there is a market for NA-only mid-sized tournament then there will be one, and its good news that the first try is done by people who have proven record of knowing their stuff - so there is much higher chance of the tourney being a success and becoming a regular one and/or inspiring other parties to carry out similar endeavours.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
April 25 2013 17:34 GMT
#290
Il go with a 1998 chardonay Nony for this tournament
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#291
The pre-game interviews are actually one of the most exciting things about this for me. You're always much more invested in a fight when the competitors have to talk they need to live up too.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
April 25 2013 21:27 GMT
#292
Wow, a lot of thought went into this. I really wanna see Vibe just come in and dominate the whole thing.

Thanks TB!
Northern_iight
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada363 Posts
April 25 2013 21:28 GMT
#293
sounds really awesome! Will definitely follow and tune into this
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 21:44:01
April 25 2013 21:43 GMT
#294
Apologies for the OTness but since I know TB will almost certainly read this:

Does this tournament mean that the idea for having a barcode tournament mexican wrestler facemask style is now on the back burner or off the table completely? I thought that was a great idea for a fun viewer experience.
Red and yellow are all I see
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
April 25 2013 21:49 GMT
#295
"Well if you guys would let me raise my prize pool, I'd give you more of it!"

-Priceless
shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
April 25 2013 23:46 GMT
#296
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.



First it is not *two continents* but 1... look at an olympic flag and count the rings...

Second, the 'Francophone' tournament seems not to be contry-based but language based... their qualification bracket include a player that is playing under the taiwanese flag... so presumably the only criteria is to speak frnech, which cover quite a few people, in all 5 continents... but nevertheless that is irrelevant: point to WCS should not be awarded to closed tournament. they should be awarded on merit in an open, top-level competition.

As for DeMuslim : He is a British citizen isn't he ? and there are many British Territories in the region covered by the tournament rules, including for instance the Falklands Island... so DeMuslim de facto meet the citizenship requirement since he hold a citizenship of one of the territories covered.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 23:49:13
April 25 2013 23:49 GMT
#297
Yay, looking forward to this.
Thanks Genna (and TB~)!
:D
T P Z sagi
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 25 2013 23:49 GMT
#298
On April 26 2013 08:46 shmget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.



First it is not *two continents* but 1... look at an olympic flag and count the rings...

Second, the 'Francophone' tournament seems not to be contry-based but language based... their qualification bracket include a player that is playing under the taiwanese flag... so presumably the only criteria is to speak frnech, which cover quite a few people, in all 5 continents... but nevertheless that is irrelevant: point to WCS should not be awarded to closed tournament. they should be awarded on merit in an open, top-level competition.

As for DeMuslim : He is a British citizen isn't he ? and there are many British Territories in the region covered by the tournament rules, including for instance the Falklands Island... so DeMuslim de facto meet the citizenship requirement since he hold a citizenship of one of the territories covered.


That is a ridiculous stretch. I wish people would stop trying to sneak Koreans/British players into the tournament and just accept that there will for once, be one tournament that's actually focussed on players originating from a specific place.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
April 25 2013 23:51 GMT
#299
On April 25 2013 10:03 Intricacy wrote:
TB was good enough to reach out prior to our announcement I believe. I have a lot of remorse over Demu not being able to participate in my event, but that's not to say I won't eventually hold something like this for EU-only players. There are also some NA players who do not actually play on the NA ladder, like HuK... although he says he will be back on NA ladder soon.

Wish I could save all of esports, but I'm afraid I have to take these things one at a time....




Genna Bain - Sick Nerd Baller!
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 25 2013 23:55 GMT
#300
On April 26 2013 08:46 shmget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.



First it is not *two continents* but 1... look at an olympic flag and count the rings...

Second, the 'Francophone' tournament seems not to be contry-based but language based... their qualification bracket include a player that is playing under the taiwanese flag... so presumably the only criteria is to speak frnech, which cover quite a few people, in all 5 continents... but nevertheless that is irrelevant: point to WCS should not be awarded to closed tournament. they should be awarded on merit in an open, top-level competition.

As for DeMuslim : He is a British citizen isn't he ? and there are many British Territories in the region covered by the tournament rules, including for instance the Falklands Island... so DeMuslim de facto meet the citizenship requirement since he hold a citizenship of one of the territories covered.


If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements
You need to construct additional pylons.
shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
April 26 2013 00:03 GMT
#301
On April 26 2013 08:55 Fluffboll wrote:
If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements


I'm sorry, I may have misread the rules. where does it talk about place of birth ?

Let's not pretend that there is a legal definition behind the rules then, and just say: 'Are eligible, people that will be deemed 'american'-enough by the organizers....
Rombur
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium107 Posts
April 26 2013 00:07 GMT
#302
On April 25 2013 16:04 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

are you quite certain?

It's not true. I got a social security card when I was doing a 5 months internship in US.
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Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
April 26 2013 00:11 GMT
#303
This sounds so sick, way to take matters into your own hands and test whether a region lock system will work TB and Jenna!
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:19:43
April 26 2013 00:19 GMT
#304
On April 26 2013 09:03 shmget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 08:55 Fluffboll wrote:
If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements


I'm sorry, I may have misread the rules. where does it talk about place of birth ?

Let's not pretend that there is a legal definition behind the rules then, and just say: 'Are eligible, people that will be deemed 'american'-enough by the organizers....


Obviously you did misread the rules, you require a legal status of permanent residency or citizenship within the continental Americas, which under no circumstances does Demuslim hold.

Not even sure why we're responding to a 4-post pedant but hey, it might be useful for people to read.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
April 26 2013 00:39 GMT
#305
On April 26 2013 09:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Obviously you did misread the rules, you require a legal status of permanent residency or citizenship within the continental Americas, which under no circumstances does Demuslim hold.


My mistake, I indeed missed the 'continental' tidbit, sorry about that.
So Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, etc. are out right ?

On April 26 2013 09:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Not even sure why we're responding to a 4-post pedant but hey, it might be useful for people to read.


Classy.

Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:51:01
April 26 2013 00:44 GMT
#306
Such brilliance!! Ride MLG's failure to success! ^_~

I like the idea of the ladder-based system. I think GM requirement can be good, though, it is rather unfortunate for anyone who had not gotten into GM because it didn't do anything before but look cool.

On April 26 2013 09:39 shmget wrote:
My mistake, I indeed missed the 'continental' tidbit, sorry about that.
So Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, etc. are out right ?

Doubt it'll matter. What are the odds of having someone from there playing, haha? It'll depend on how players qualify I suppose...
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
April 26 2013 00:57 GMT
#307
t.t bad time to take some time off
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#308
On April 26 2013 09:57 ROOTT1 wrote:
t.t bad time to take some time off


Good time to prepare for Season 2!
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
April 26 2013 03:11 GMT
#309
heh yea thats the plan, i know it goes without saying by now but ty for giving back to the community
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MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
April 26 2013 03:58 GMT
#310
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 26 2013 04:09 GMT
#311
On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.

Idra isnt even the best American Zerg on EG. Suppy is.
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DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 26 2013 04:14 GMT
#312
On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.

while i agree with everything else (including the point about IdrA), there is a certain canadian who could make the "best Zerg in NA" claim very debatable. :-)
sword_siege
Profile Joined September 2002
United States624 Posts
April 26 2013 04:22 GMT
#313
TB you are such a boom to the community. Thank you for all you do.

PS You should call this tournament, "What WCS America Should've Been"
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
April 26 2013 05:10 GMT
#314
Genna and TV single-handedly saving Starcraft by creating their own WCS done right. LOVE YOU GUYS!
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 26 2013 05:32 GMT
#315
Oh DeMu was born on the third Sunday of March in 1986 (THE YEAR OF THE RAT) at 2:54 PM SO TECHNICALLY HE IS AN AMERICAN LOL

Jesus. Let it go people....
Hudson Valley Progamer
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
April 26 2013 05:42 GMT
#316
Nice to see some common sense from TotalBiscuit after all the full on fail we've seen from Blizzard lately with the 2013 WCS. Good luck guys, wish you all the best!

Whatever hope I had in Blizzard died with Diablo 3. Can't even justify the HoTs upgrade because of that fiasco but I'll make sure to tune in to ShoutCraft to show my support for people cleaning up the clusterfuck that is 2013 regionals.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 26 2013 06:05 GMT
#317
SC2 "community":

"Raaawwwwrrrr, fuck Blizzard for screwing over American players by letting Koreans participate. They´re ruining a growing scene, we need region locks!"

Tournament for Americans only comes around...

"Raaaawwwwrrrrr!"


If people got what they deserved, we wouldn´t have Starcraft at all.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
April 26 2013 06:16 GMT
#318
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
April 26 2013 06:31 GMT
#319
On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.

The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 26 2013 06:42 GMT
#320
On April 26 2013 15:31 Holdenintherye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.

The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.


It´s a weird situation. Most of the training happens on ladder, but the serious one on smurf accounts. I wonder how they deal with it and whether barcodes will be applicable. If not, it would force players to practice publicly, which many won´t want to.
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
April 26 2013 06:45 GMT
#321
TB and his better half is a freakin HERO for setting this up! <3 <3
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
April 26 2013 06:53 GMT
#322
On April 26 2013 13:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.

Idra isnt even the best American Zerg on EG. Suppy is.


I actually don't think so. Not to take anything away from Suppy, but IdrA is still the most experienced and most accomplished Zerg player in NA.
Kineticwing
Profile Joined February 2013
Australia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 07:17:27
April 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#323
Suppy vs Idra.... I sense a story line in the making.

Tune in May to find out!!

(note: thats if they both qualify)
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
April 26 2013 07:40 GMT
#324
sure idrajit has some cool muscles n glasses n all but i think its safe to say that this tournaments seriously lacks so mo' yoloswag, #votepatco2013

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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 26 2013 07:46 GMT
#325
On April 26 2013 15:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
TB and his better half is a freakin HERO for setting this up! <3 <3

Seriously, Genna and TB to the rescue.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
April 26 2013 07:50 GMT
#326
Cool incentive for laddering. But what to do if all GM slots are filled? There are lots of people GM that aren't in because blizzard caps max GM spots at 200 and only kicks people out if they haven't played in two weeks...
Sup
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
April 26 2013 08:53 GMT
#327
This is gonna be so much fun! ^^
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 26 2013 12:29 GMT
#328
On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.


Goswser? Suppy? Vibe? Scarlett if we're talking continental. I suppose it's all relative and a matter of opinion (and admittedly I actually haven't seen much of his HotS play) but it's certainly not clear cut.
Dectric
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia4 Posts
April 26 2013 13:02 GMT
#329
Even as an Australian will be tuning in!
Really good to see some foreigner only tournaments, especially after the "America" WCS qualifiers...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 26 2013 13:12 GMT
#330
On April 26 2013 16:50 avilo wrote:
Cool incentive for laddering. But what to do if all GM slots are filled? There are lots of people GM that aren't in because blizzard caps max GM spots at 200 and only kicks people out if they haven't played in two weeks...

Practice for next season. TB address that the ladder lock is less than ideal, but they are pushing this out the door pretty quick.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GingerJesus
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Canada19 Posts
April 26 2013 13:17 GMT
#331
TB you are my favourite caster! You really helped me understand online and tournament play!

Will definitely watch.
www.eschamp.com "Wise man say, forgiveness is divine but never pay full price for late pizza"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 26 2013 13:40 GMT
#332
Is this the first region-locked tournament SC2 has seen? Other than WCS 2012 events ofc. If so I'm shocked no one took the initiative before. Awesome move by the Bains! Can't wait for this. I wonder if there are any good tipjar games/pledges to do...such as if a player finishes a game with half or less resources in units lost than his opponent, give him $5.
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
April 26 2013 16:39 GMT
#333
If the tournament slots were filled today which 16 would make it? Is there a way to check current standings filtered for those eligible for the tournament?
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 26 2013 16:48 GMT
#334
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)


I hope IdrA bms everybody he plays, and I hope everyone bms him back. We need more color in SC2 tournaments.
Paramo
Profile Joined July 2008
Mexico138 Posts
April 26 2013 16:54 GMT
#335
This is actually the kind of thing that the scene needs; much more benefitial that, I dont know, having a world champion for example. Looking foward to this and how far it can get, I'll be tunning in!
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
April 26 2013 19:33 GMT
#336
Here are the current standings.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=266
JtoK
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany232 Posts
April 26 2013 21:38 GMT
#337
Really Awesome!
T-oastbro-T
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 02:33:52
April 27 2013 02:32 GMT
#338
Shoutcraft finalists are apparently getting paid flights to the mlg studios for offline finals in new york at the 21st of may, right before wcs america.
(Source)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 27 2013 02:33 GMT
#339
Update:
[quote]
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
April 27 2013 02:34 GMT
#340
Major announcement regarding dates and the location of the final on TB's twitter
Best in the world at what I do
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 27 2013 02:40 GMT
#341
Upgraded. MLG working with TB to make everything better across the board.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
April 27 2013 02:57 GMT
#342
This is really good news, also going to look forward to TB casting some WCS NA
Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
April 27 2013 03:08 GMT
#343
Going to cross post the information I put out on reddit just now to cover all bases.

Sorry for the change in schedule guys. I've updated the shoutcraft.com website to reflect the new schedule. We will be starting on the 5th of May due to the sudden conflict of the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier being moved to the 4th of May. This qualifier, from what I am told, was moved as a result of not wanting to broadcast on top of DreamHack.
So, the one thing I would like potential participants to keep in mind is this... If you are in the semifinals on May 19th, please bear in mind that you could be getting on a plane on May 20th to New York to play in the finals on May 21st. If you are a resident outside of the United States, please ensure that you have a valid passport or are able to obtain one prior to the finals. Let's not have an amazing event only to foil the finals due to paperwork! Thanks <3
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 03:15:37
April 27 2013 03:13 GMT
#344
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 27 2013 11:33 Grettin wrote:
Update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2bRuL5qbk4


This is very awesome, props to MLG for helping make this tournament even better!
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 27 2013 03:28 GMT
#345
Having the finals offline will be so awesome, nice to see MLg helping out.
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 27 2013 11:01 GMT
#346
so. awesome. genna and TB, you people rock. thank you so much.

also, with axslav co-casting with TB for the final . . . genna, could you please, please, PLEASE sign him to axiom for at least that day?!?! PLEASE!
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
April 28 2013 14:23 GMT
#347
Here are the SHOUTcraft America Standings as of about an hour ago.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=317
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
April 28 2013 14:32 GMT
#348
bummed that demu can't play in this, but it's for the good of NA... props to organisers
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Gabriel_reaper
Profile Joined December 2006
Czech Republic41 Posts
April 29 2013 15:54 GMT
#349
On April 26 2013 15:42 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 15:31 Holdenintherye wrote:
On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.

The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.


It´s a weird situation. Most of the training happens on ladder, but the serious one on smurf accounts. I wonder how they deal with it and whether barcodes will be applicable. If not, it would force players to practice publicly, which many won´t want to.


Barcodes are applicable so not matter at all.
(case in point - MouzIllusion plays as barcode and is eligible to play if he hits top 16 and proves he own the account).
Broken english FTW.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 30 2013 08:23 GMT
#350
Apparently there has been match-fixing on the NA ladder.

As the qualification period for the SHOUTcraft America tournament enters its final stage, ladder position now matters more than ever. While this has brought competition to the ladder it has also brought less above-board methods to ensure that player ladder rank remains intact. We have uncovered evidence that some players have been engaging in forced-draws in order to maintain their ladder rank. Several players within the top 16 have multiple ties on their match history in which the build order clearly indicates that both players consenting to a mutual draw in order to maintain their ladder rankings.

This is probably our fault, we did not specifically prohibit this behavior, however we think it is clear to see that it is against the spirit of the competition. Since we did not outline regulations against this behavior, we will be offering a one time amnesty for it. Win-trading and forced draws are against the qualification rules for SHOUTcraft America. Ladder points must be accrued in a legitimate fashion, by beating the opponent fair and square. We should also remind players that the account they are playing on must belong to them and any boosting to the account being done by players other than the primary user of said account, is against the qualification rules. Blizzard is working with us to individually verify each account and needless to say they have logged all IP addresses used to access these accounts. If it is found that multiple players have played on the account in order to rank it up during the qualification period then that account will be subject to disqualification.

The win-trading and the forced draws stop right now. There will be zero tolerance for this behavior going forward. Those ladder points are not worth your qualification spot, do not risk being disqualified.


I'm not certain how I feel about the amnesty. It's clearly against Blizzard policy and, imo, it warrants disqualification. There should be a strong deterrent policy against cheating. And as the points reflected on the ladder today, 1 day before the deadline, have been accrued by cheating, they should not count.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
April 30 2013 08:36 GMT
#351
How does the ip checking work? I've probably played on a few different ips on my account, since I was laddering on it at dreamhack and at the gaming house both.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 09:02:01
April 30 2013 08:50 GMT
#352
edit: oh.. we cant do that t.t
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
April 30 2013 09:04 GMT
#353
Are Australians eligible? We like freedom too down here.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 09:10:45
April 30 2013 09:10 GMT
#354
under the new reddit constitution australians should be eligible
http://www.reddit.com/r/ameristralia
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 09:56:03
April 30 2013 09:55 GMT
#355
Well I'm 19th right now and apparently servers shutting down soon.

Fingers crossed TB loves Australians more than the 4 Europeans above me.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 10:30:34
April 30 2013 10:30 GMT
#356
On April 28 2013 23:32 netherDrake wrote:
bummed that demu can't play in this, but it's for the good of NA... props to organisers

Why not? Do people need to literally be born and currently living in NA? That sucks, I was going to watch solely on the expectation Demuslim was to play
Refer to my post.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#357
We want SHOUTcraft America to be a step in that direction. This is an American tournament made exclusively for American players. Participants are required to produce proof of citizenship or permanent residency in either North or South America. Players who are not citizens of a continental American country or hold a permanent residency status, such as a Greencard, will not be eligible to participate.

Well, it is described in the OP since it is up.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
April 30 2013 10:54 GMT
#358
Yea but everyone likes Australians.
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Dorf_Midget
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland39 Posts
April 30 2013 13:00 GMT
#359
On April 30 2013 19:54 iaguz wrote:
Yea but everyone likes Australians.


I don't. You guys are living in a land where everything is full of poison. That means you must be immune to it! You are way too strong!!!
OneRedBeard
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 13:14:06
April 30 2013 13:13 GMT
#360
On April 30 2013 22:00 Dorf_Midget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 19:54 iaguz wrote:
Yea but everyone likes Australians.


I don't. You guys are living in a land where everything is full of poison. That means you must be immune to it! You are way too strong!!!


Also, as everybody knows, Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

It is so exciting to have the three barcodes hanging around up there - who could it be? Artosis? Incontrol? TB himself? The possible drama! :D
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Von
Profile Joined May 2009
United States363 Posts
April 30 2013 13:35 GMT
#361
This sounds all good. Drawing from Grandmasters is brilliant. Can't wait to see this ...

If its not fun I dont want it.
Xonix
Profile Joined February 2012
225 Posts
April 30 2013 13:41 GMT
#362
LaG.Believe Fighting!!!
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 30 2013 13:44 GMT
#363
I think I've checked the AM Grandmaster rankings more times this one week than I have in over two years. I guess that's kind of the point though
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2013 13:45 GMT
#364
Interesting lineup with today's standings. Surprised to see Idra fall outside of the 16 qualifier spots but he's just 7 ladder points away
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Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
April 30 2013 13:55 GMT
#365
Here are the current standings from before the b.net servers went down today.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=349
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 30 2013 14:02 GMT
#366
On April 30 2013 22:55 Deadlift wrote:
Here are the current standings from before the b.net servers went down today.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=349

We will see if there is any DQs for win swapping. I think there was a bit of that going on.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 30 2013 14:06 GMT
#367
On April 30 2013 23:02 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:55 Deadlift wrote:
Here are the current standings from before the b.net servers went down today.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=349

We will see if there is any DQs for win swapping. I think there was a bit of that going on.

Statement on the previous page
...This is probably our fault, we did not specifically prohibit this behavior, however we think it is clear to see that it is against the spirit of the competition. Since we did not outline regulations against this behavior, we will be offering a one time amnesty for it....

I dont think anyone will be getting DQed today
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 30 2013 14:11 GMT
#368
On April 30 2013 23:06 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 23:02 Plansix wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:55 Deadlift wrote:
Here are the current standings from before the b.net servers went down today.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=349

We will see if there is any DQs for win swapping. I think there was a bit of that going on.

Statement on the previous page
Show nested quote +
...This is probably our fault, we did not specifically prohibit this behavior, however we think it is clear to see that it is against the spirit of the competition. Since we did not outline regulations against this behavior, we will be offering a one time amnesty for it....

I dont think anyone will be getting DQed today

That totally bums me out. I was not aware they didn't have it in the rules, but good for TB and folks for sticking to their the letter of the rules they sent out. Still a bummer..
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 30 2013 14:13 GMT
#369
Idra not making it is surprising.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 15:10:39
April 30 2013 15:09 GMT
#370
On April 30 2013 17:36 goswser wrote:
How does the ip checking work? I've probably played on a few different ips on my account, since I was laddering on it at dreamhack and at the gaming house both.


It's not a case of saying "OH GOD, THERE'S ANOTHER IP THERE, THIS MEANS HE'S CHEATING". It's a case of looking at where the IPs are and when they were logged in, checking for unusual behavior. For instance, if an account logs in in the US for a few hours then an hour later, logs in in KR or Europe, we know there's funny business going on. Same deal if an account logs in back and forth between IPs in different parts of the US over the course of a day. It's pretty easy to figure out where players have been and whether or not the logins are legit.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 30 2013 18:03 GMT
#371
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
April 30 2013 21:02 GMT
#372
It's almost like IdrA is tanking his account. (He isn't though, other than with poor play)
I don't think he'll make it into the top 16, which is honestly a real shame. You can always count on IdrA to disappoint his fans.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 30 2013 21:23 GMT
#373
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#374
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#375
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#376
surprised how up there Neeb and hellokitty are. both play eu quite a bit, but they are not nearly on the same MMR level as on NA...
funny how low idra is when everyone on NA actually ladders activly, he rly isnt what he used to be it seems :/
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 30 2013 21:30 GMT
#377
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....


I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


ROFL
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
April 30 2013 21:32 GMT
#378
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 30 2013 21:35 GMT
#379
On May 01 2013 06:32 Deadlift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.


It isnt ridiculous, its just very, very sad.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 30 2013 21:39 GMT
#380
On May 01 2013 06:35 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:32 Deadlift wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.


It isnt ridiculous, its just very, very sad.

And confusing. A players win rate might be like the 15th thing I look at when choosing a coach. The first thing I would look at is if they were an idiot or an ass. But I guess he has a plan.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 30 2013 21:42 GMT
#381
On May 01 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:35 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:32 Deadlift wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.


It isnt ridiculous, its just very, very sad.

And confusing. A players win rate might be like the 15th thing I look at when choosing a coach. The first thing I would look at is if they were an idiot or an ass. But I guess he has a plan.


you might not want believe as a coach then; he is both an idiot and an ass.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 30 2013 21:46 GMT
#382
Those who gained wins from Believe will not be penalized since it was outside of their control
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dr.fahrenheit
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria101 Posts
April 30 2013 22:12 GMT
#383
Shoutcraft America made watching streams (and I guess laddering in general) considerably more interesting and exiting the past few days...
The nice thing is, that even the streams of 'medium' GMs get more fun to watch because sometimes they manage to take away a win from a favorite which might cost them a spot in the tournament.

Thank you Intricacy & TB. Way to save the ladder. (you actually managed to entertain people with SCA before it even began... that has to be a first)
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 30 2013 22:21 GMT
#384
On April 30 2013 17:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
Apparently there has been match-fixing on the NA ladder.

Show nested quote +
As the qualification period for the SHOUTcraft America tournament enters its final stage, ladder position now matters more than ever. While this has brought competition to the ladder it has also brought less above-board methods to ensure that player ladder rank remains intact. We have uncovered evidence that some players have been engaging in forced-draws in order to maintain their ladder rank. Several players within the top 16 have multiple ties on their match history in which the build order clearly indicates that both players consenting to a mutual draw in order to maintain their ladder rankings.

This is probably our fault, we did not specifically prohibit this behavior, however we think it is clear to see that it is against the spirit of the competition. Since we did not outline regulations against this behavior, we will be offering a one time amnesty for it. Win-trading and forced draws are against the qualification rules for SHOUTcraft America. Ladder points must be accrued in a legitimate fashion, by beating the opponent fair and square. We should also remind players that the account they are playing on must belong to them and any boosting to the account being done by players other than the primary user of said account, is against the qualification rules. Blizzard is working with us to individually verify each account and needless to say they have logged all IP addresses used to access these accounts. If it is found that multiple players have played on the account in order to rank it up during the qualification period then that account will be subject to disqualification.

The win-trading and the forced draws stop right now. There will be zero tolerance for this behavior going forward. Those ladder points are not worth your qualification spot, do not risk being disqualified.


I'm not certain how I feel about the amnesty. It's clearly against Blizzard policy and, imo, it warrants disqualification. There should be a strong deterrent policy against cheating. And as the points reflected on the ladder today, 1 day before the deadline, have been accrued by cheating, they should not count.


Man, isn’t anyone else incredibly disappointed in this? I realise that whenever money gets involved it can motivate people to do things they normally wouldn’t, and for other, maybe less established players, this could be their one big shot at breaking into the pro-scene and will do anything to get there. But come on guys, win trading? Force drawing? Have a little fucking dignity. The whole “wasn’t in the rules” argument really doesn’t cut it (although as said there won’t be any repercussions for this one time), what were these un-named individuals thinking? That cheating so brazenly would be acceptable means to qualify for a tournament? And it is brazen because the match history logs so much damn information.

I guess some people will think I’m overreacting, I probably am, but cheating is just one of those things that really makes my blood boil. The only thing worse than a cheater is one gets caught so easily.

Regardless, there’s obviously going to be problems in the beginning (in this case, not accounting for the need of certain rules, ect) however I actually think that in the long run a tournament like this may make Grandmaster league so much more meaningful. Up until now GM has been little more than a glorfied ego boost, and cynics would say it’s basically a private league for hackers and stream-snipers. Now there’s actual incentive for it, it’s no longer a case of, “k, you made GM, end-of-the-line. Try Kr server”. Also it may (and I kind of am reaching here) prompt Blizzard to actually be more proactive in regulating the GM league. If it is been used as a means to help people qualify for a tournament, (a tournament that is possibly paying a commission to Blizzard), surely it’ll be in Blizzards interest to take a stance against all the proven hackers who are there with no other purpose than purely to sabotage the legitimate players? But hey, one step at a time.
bongling
Profile Joined March 2013
41 Posts
April 30 2013 22:29 GMT
#385
whens this ladder season end? still planning on doing a sort of countdown show?
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 30 2013 22:35 GMT
#386
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 30 2013 22:36 GMT
#387
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o
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tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 30 2013 22:38 GMT
#388
On May 01 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o

the rules say demus can't do a countdown show? link plz.
nothing
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 30 2013 22:54 GMT
#389
On May 01 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o

what did I do wrong?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 22:55:48
April 30 2013 22:55 GMT
#390
On May 01 2013 07:54 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o

what did I do wrong?


Disregard that, since you didn't quote anybody I was confused about what you said. My fault.
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 23:09:25
April 30 2013 23:04 GMT
#391
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to be playing at this point (not sure when her break starts).... Otherwise I would guess one of the Root dudes

edit. Apparently she doesnt have an account in the top 25, I just assumed she did.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 30 2013 23:06 GMT
#392
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.
You need to construct additional pylons.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 23:07:23
April 30 2013 23:06 GMT
#393
Lord henry zheng crushing faces, as usual and expected.
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.



I bet you that's that crafty hendralisk too. His record was like 90-20, that barcode is similar, ya? That's my guess~
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Gabriel_reaper
Profile Joined December 2006
Czech Republic41 Posts
April 30 2013 23:08 GMT
#394
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to be playing at this point (not sure when her break starts).... Otherwise I would guess one of the Root dudes


Scarlett AFAIK isn't even in NA ladder. So no chance for her.
Broken english FTW.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 30 2013 23:08 GMT
#395
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


Oh wow, and the cutoff is May 1st, shame. She could level one in a couple of days, but it may be too late.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Gabriel_reaper
Profile Joined December 2006
Czech Republic41 Posts
April 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#396
On May 01 2013 08:08 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


Oh wow, and the cutoff is May 1st, shame. She could level one in a couple of days, but it may be too late.



Ladder is locked for a week or so. So If anybody wasn't GM from beggining he was cut off.
It will be aparently mended with season two which will be announced with much more time to grind
Broken english FTW.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 30 2013 23:27 GMT
#397
A good time to have at least 1 hand, be American and play Terran... Top 6 in NA, all Terran players. More Terran players in the top 6 than there are Toss players in the top 30. Dis game...
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 30 2013 23:45 GMT
#398
On May 01 2013 08:27 playa wrote:
A good time to have at least 1 hand, be American and play Terran... Top 6 in NA, all Terran players. More Terran players in the top 6 than there are Toss players in the top 30. Dis game...


Never before has such originality and analytic perception been displayed in a TL post. Brava!
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 23:49:09
April 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#399
On May 01 2013 06:42 ROOTKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:35 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:32 Deadlift wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.


It isnt ridiculous, its just very, very sad.

And confusing. A players win rate might be like the 15th thing I look at when choosing a coach. The first thing I would look at is if they were an idiot or an ass. But I guess he has a plan.


you might not want believe as a coach then; he is both an idiot and an ass.


yeah my god though he's so hilarious LOL. Everytime his gateway all in/immortal all in fails "zerg imbalanced!". Funniest thing rofl. God I hate that guy.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Maker
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico85 Posts
May 01 2013 00:11 GMT
#400
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


as far as i know scarlett is one of those barcode players
www.teamtaeja.net
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
May 01 2013 00:13 GMT
#401
On May 01 2013 06:28 KalWarkov wrote:
surprised how up there Neeb and hellokitty are. both play eu quite a bit, but they are not nearly on the same MMR level as on NA...
funny how low idra is when everyone on NA actually ladders activly, he rly isnt what he used to be it seems :/

why are you surprised :/ im top 16 gm mmr on eu and na and i'm also gm mmr on kr
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RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
May 01 2013 00:32 GMT
#402
On May 01 2013 06:28 KalWarkov wrote:
surprised how up there Neeb and hellokitty are. both play eu quite a bit, but they are not nearly on the same MMR level as on NA...
funny how low idra is when everyone on NA actually ladders activly, he rly isnt what he used to be it seems :/


What are you talking about? Neeb doesn't play EU haha
I <3 StarCraft.
Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
May 01 2013 00:41 GMT
#403
I will watch the shit out of this tourney. VIbe is going to roflstomp some fools (if he can make top 16 in ladder, he is on Korea a lot)

I will stop watching WCS NA if all of the NA players are knocked out because it was poorly handled by blizzard.

These tourney's will help grow the scene. I think if they expand it to people who ARE living in the united states in a permanent basis (like have their permanent home there for like 6 months out of the year or something) it will help the competition. Having polt demuslim in the tourney in the 2nd iteration of the tourney (and I feel this will be successful enough to warrant a 2nd one)
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 01 2013 00:53 GMT
#404
Xenocider edging into top 16
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
May 01 2013 01:07 GMT
#405
On May 01 2013 09:11 Maker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


as far as i know scarlett is one of those barcode players


Thats sweet! Hope so!
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 01 2013 01:11 GMT
#406
It ends at midnight PST? It would be great to know, pulling an all nighter to make sure I qualify.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
May 01 2013 01:13 GMT
#407
On May 01 2013 09:13 hellokittySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:28 KalWarkov wrote:
surprised how up there Neeb and hellokitty are. both play eu quite a bit, but they are not nearly on the same MMR level as on NA...
funny how low idra is when everyone on NA actually ladders activly, he rly isnt what he used to be it seems :/

why are you surprised :/ im top 16 gm mmr on eu and na and i'm also gm mmr on kr

Played you the yesterday and i was slightly favored on EU, don't think you're top 16 gm mmr on EU yet.
askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
May 01 2013 01:15 GMT
#408
On May 01 2013 10:07 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:11 Maker wrote:
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


as far as i know scarlett is one of those barcode players


Thats sweet! Hope so!

I think you have to be the owner of the account, not sure though. Scarlett borrows accounts sometimes.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
May 01 2013 01:20 GMT
#409
scanned the post, havent seen anything, anyone have any idea who TB was talking about when he said people were trading wins and forcing ties against each other to not lose points?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 01:30 GMT
#410
On May 01 2013 10:20 PviLLe3 wrote:
scanned the post, havent seen anything, anyone have any idea who TB was talking about when he said people were trading wins and forcing ties against each other to not lose points?


For the forced ties, it's very easy to find in the match history. There were I think at least 6 players who have an obviously forced tie on their records.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
May 01 2013 01:41 GMT
#411
On May 01 2013 10:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 10:20 PviLLe3 wrote:
scanned the post, havent seen anything, anyone have any idea who TB was talking about when he said people were trading wins and forcing ties against each other to not lose points?


For the forced ties, it's very easy to find in the match history. There were I think at least 6 players who have an obviously forced tie on their records.



thats a shame, ill take a peek at ladder when i log into sc2. cant really blame them though i guess since there was no established rule against it. but for how quick you and GB got this tourney together its not gonna be perfect but its looking pretty damn close, GL to everyone involved hope it turns out well and becomes a scheduled event/tournament every season.
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
May 01 2013 03:01 GMT
#412
On May 01 2013 10:13 Enchanted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:13 hellokittySC2 wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:28 KalWarkov wrote:
surprised how up there Neeb and hellokitty are. both play eu quite a bit, but they are not nearly on the same MMR level as on NA...
funny how low idra is when everyone on NA actually ladders activly, he rly isnt what he used to be it seems :/

why are you surprised :/ im top 16 gm mmr on eu and na and i'm also gm mmr on kr

Played you the yesterday and i was slightly favored on EU, don't think you're top 16 gm mmr on EU yet.

And I played a barcode toss whos top 16 and he lost about 15 points I think
twitter.com/hellokittyhots facebook.com/hellokittysc2 hellokitty.278, http://twitch.tv/noobeater5 为中国人在星际上争气!
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
May 01 2013 03:25 GMT
#413
On May 01 2013 10:11 goswser wrote:
It ends at midnight PST? It would be great to know, pulling an all nighter to make sure I qualify.


<3 gosu! Y u never stream man?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 03:35 GMT
#414
On May 01 2013 10:11 goswser wrote:
It ends at midnight PST? It would be great to know, pulling an all nighter to make sure I qualify.


Confirmed.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
May 01 2013 03:59 GMT
#415
IdrA is slowly but surely smashing nerds faces into the ground and moving up the ladder. Currently at 29.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
May 01 2013 04:16 GMT
#416
On May 01 2013 12:59 Deadlift wrote:
IdrA is slowly but surely smashing nerds faces into the ground and moving up the ladder. Currently at 29.

Up to 27th now! He is still ~30-40 points away from a spot...
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
May 01 2013 04:21 GMT
#417
On May 01 2013 13:16 Thrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 12:59 Deadlift wrote:
IdrA is slowly but surely smashing nerds faces into the ground and moving up the ladder. Currently at 29.

Up to 27th now! He is still ~30-40 points away from a spot...


NonY is laddering now as well and they just met up on ladder. This is more exciting than the actual tournament.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 01 2013 04:49 GMT
#418
are there regularly updating standings anywhere?
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 04:55:48
May 01 2013 04:54 GMT
#419
On May 01 2013 13:49 IdrA wrote:
are there regularly updating standings anywhere?


Negative. You are extremely close however.

In the last hour I'll be streaming to keep people up to date on everything.

http://sc2links.com/blog/ < This blog post is accurate in terms of who is eligible and who is not. None of the barcodes or Anonymous are in the running. The rankings on there are not up to date though.

A note to players. There is the possibility that members of the Top 16 may decline to play. We will be sending out official invites as well as requests for identification after the ladder resets. If a player declines then the 17th, 18th etc in line will be invited until we have a full roster.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Bauzzy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada72 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 04:56:01
May 01 2013 04:54 GMT
#420
Edit: Ninja'd
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
May 01 2013 04:56 GMT
#421
On May 01 2013 13:49 IdrA wrote:
are there regularly updating standings anywhere?


The bnet ladder is the best bet right now. Right now you need to get in the top 24 to definitely qualify as (at least) 8 of the top 24 are ineligible.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ladder/grandmaster/heart-of-the-swarm
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 05:06:14
May 01 2013 05:00 GMT
#422
On May 01 2013 13:49 IdrA wrote:
are there regularly updating standings anywhere?


Bet you wish you hadn't thrown all the games to demuslim now hey?

Don't worry though, maybe you can wish cancer upon your opponents and get a few wins that way?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 05:02:58
May 01 2013 05:02 GMT
#423
There are currently 8 ineligible accounts in the Top 24 so yes, you'd currently need to be Top 24 to qualify. This assumes that as of the time of writing, Yiptastic is eligible and I can't find information about him.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 05:17:06
May 01 2013 05:08 GMT
#424
Just threw this up.

http://sc2links.com/blog/?p=363

Looks like Yiptastic is Canadian.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Yiptastic
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
May 01 2013 05:09 GMT
#425
really hoping idra can make it....
nothing
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
May 01 2013 05:13 GMT
#426
On May 01 2013 14:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
There are currently 8 ineligible accounts in the Top 24 so yes, you'd currently need to be Top 24 to qualify. This assumes that as of the time of writing, Yiptastic is eligible and I can't find information about him.


i wouldn't assume he's eligible (hes not)
aznheat80
Profile Joined August 2010
United States186 Posts
May 01 2013 05:18 GMT
#427
gogo nony!
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 05:23 GMT
#428
On May 01 2013 14:13 ROOTKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 14:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
There are currently 8 ineligible accounts in the Top 24 so yes, you'd currently need to be Top 24 to qualify. This assumes that as of the time of writing, Yiptastic is eligible and I can't find information about him.


i wouldn't assume he's eligible (hes not)


Do you have evidence of who that is? please drop me a line via PM.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Bauzzy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada72 Posts
May 01 2013 05:32 GMT
#429
So many good players just outside the top. Vibe, Nony, and Idra.

Go Nony!
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 05:44:04
May 01 2013 05:34 GMT
#430
On May 01 2013 13:49 IdrA wrote:
are there regularly updating standings anywhere?

Hopefully I didn't mess up:
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Yiptastic may or may not be eligible, as per Kane... though https://twitter.com/YiptasticSC2

Looking at that current top 16: 7T, 5P, 4Z
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 05:38 GMT
#431
Yup that looks about right.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
May 01 2013 05:46 GMT
#432
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
May 01 2013 05:48 GMT
#433
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


nah he ragequit and stopped trying. sound familiar?
Bauzzy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada72 Posts
May 01 2013 05:48 GMT
#434
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


Ya, four in a row. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/693604/1/EGIdrA/matches

That must be so frustrating. Losing more in a loss than you can gain in a win.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 05:50 GMT
#435
On May 01 2013 14:48 Bauzzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


Ya, four in a row. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/693604/1/EGIdrA/matches

That must be so frustrating. Losing more in a loss than you can gain in a win.


He lost one of those games to double-proxy gate in about 3 minutes. It's rough.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 01 2013 05:50 GMT
#436
On May 01 2013 14:48 Bauzzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


Ya, four in a row. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/693604/1/EGIdrA/matches

That must be so frustrating. Losing more in a loss than you can gain in a win.


Oh it does. Take my word for it it sucks to win 4-5 games in a row at 8 points apiece then lose 1 game and lose 20 points. xD
When I think of something else, something will go here
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 05:52:17
May 01 2013 05:51 GMT
#437
On May 01 2013 14:48 ROOTKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


nah he ragequit and stopped trying. sound familiar?

/me shrugs. Sure, it sounds familiar. Still, no need to be a dick just because IdrA is a dick, you know
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
May 01 2013 05:52 GMT
#438
On May 01 2013 14:51 Thrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 14:48 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


nah he ragequit and stopped trying. sound familiar?

/me shrugs.

No need to be a dick just because IdrA is a dick, you know


you would feel differently if you played him on a regular basis .
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
May 01 2013 05:53 GMT
#439
On May 01 2013 14:52 ROOTKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 14:51 Thrax wrote:
On May 01 2013 14:48 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up


nah he ragequit and stopped trying. sound familiar?

/me shrugs.

No need to be a dick just because IdrA is a dick, you know


you would feel differently if you played him on a regular basis .

I don't doubt it
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 06:06:29
May 01 2013 06:06 GMT
#440
Looks like TB just started streaming!
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TotalBiscuit
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
May 01 2013 06:35 GMT
#441
On May 01 2013 14:46 Thrax wrote:
IdrA just lost 2 games since my update, for 33 points total - I think that's it, can't see him making that up

Good riddance.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 07:51 GMT
#442
Here are the Top 16 qualified players.

We will continually update as players accept invitation and provide proof of residency and account ownership

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ap5lSBTuqANidDBFYXFwZVBvRmJwTjQ1VlhsMmtvd0E#gid=0
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
May 01 2013 08:03 GMT
#443
That's a pretty solid group, I'm really looking forward to this!
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
May 01 2013 08:03 GMT
#444
On May 01 2013 16:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here are the Top 16 qualified players.

We will continually update as players accept invitation and provide proof of residency and account ownership

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ap5lSBTuqANidDBFYXFwZVBvRmJwTjQ1VlhsMmtvd0E#gid=0


Lookin good!
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 01 2013 08:11 GMT
#445
Just posting this in as many places as possible so players see it.

ALL qualified players must verify their participation by emailing gennabain at cynicalbrit dot com with proof of account ownership and residency. We suggest drivers license would be a good bet, short-form birth certificate alongside some form of photo ID would be fine otherwise.

We also remind players that, as stated in the announcement and tournament rules, groups will feature on camera interviews and you will need a webcam for this and a working mic.

I'm going to start individually interviewing each player for featurettes starting tomorrow.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 01 2013 08:19 GMT
#446
Grats to all the players who qualified.

Wonder if vibe still hates me sense he still qualified :D. I will definitely be watching this and hope to try and qualify for the next one
When I think of something else, something will go here
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
May 01 2013 08:20 GMT
#447
Can we call this the special olympics of Starcraft ? :p

J/k, j/k don't hit me. It's a very needed initiative. I hope both this tournament and WCS are succesfull, each filling a different role. I'll tune in to show support.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
May 01 2013 08:23 GMT
#448
Looking at the list of invitees, I'm a bit worried that the viewer count will be quite small unless TB and or some other casters can really get a good show going. The quality of games by the look of it won't be extremely high. Hoping for a great and entertaining tournament tho!
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 01 2013 08:29 GMT
#449
On May 01 2013 17:23 namste wrote:
Looking at the list of invitees, I'm a bit worried that the viewer count will be quite small unless TB and or some other casters can really get a good show going. The quality of games by the look of it won't be extremely high. Hoping for a great and entertaining tournament tho!

Actually I think there's the potential to create really awesome storylines, plus even if the skill of the games may be lower than normal tournaments that does not mean the quality of games is necessarily reduced . . . if anything it can lead to even more exciting games. Plus I think most people underestimate NA players anyways. Tune in anyways and see if you might have a different opinion hopefully ^^
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 01 2013 08:31 GMT
#450
If TB can get 20k viewers streaming Game Dev Tycoon with no production at all he should be able to get as much or more for this.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 01 2013 08:37 GMT
#451
On May 01 2013 17:23 namste wrote:
Looking at the list of invitees, I'm a bit worried that the viewer count will be quite small unless TB and or some other casters can really get a good show going. The quality of games by the look of it won't be extremely high. Hoping for a great and entertaining tournament tho!


Well given the way things are, I think the only way this could've gone better is if IdrA had made it in, although that's only from a viewership standpoint and not necessarily a game quality one.

I don't know, I think the line-up looks pretty good, I'm definitely interested in seeing Suppy and ViBe play, as well as some of the more up-and-coming players like Xenocider, Drunkenboi and hendralisk.
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mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
May 01 2013 09:00 GMT
#452
It's great to see so much new talent in a tournament like this. Congratulations to ROOT for getting so many players qualified, as well as to FXO.NA, which although is not a fully-fledged professional organisation, is making leaps and bounds in helping American talent develop, and the two players that qualified is proof of this.

On the other hand, it's worrying to see the big American teams have so little players playing in this. Quantic, Complexity and especially EG, with their sort of resources, should have occupied at least half the spots, as their players get salaries and support, instead, we have a lot of teamless players making the cut, and while great for them, it shows that American teams are not as interested in investing in their domestic talent as having a few good Koreans to carry them.

It's great to see skill and dedication trump money and popularity. Thank you TB and Genna! (Yes, I know that this ladder ranking is not definitive proof of skill, or a definitive list of the best players in North America for that matter (HuK, Scarlett, Illusion, MajOr T.T) but it's still indicative at the very least.
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scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
May 01 2013 09:17 GMT
#453
On May 01 2013 17:23 namste wrote:
Looking at the list of invitees, I'm a bit worried that the viewer count will be quite small unless TB and or some other casters can really get a good show going. The quality of games by the look of it won't be extremely high. Hoping for a great and entertaining tournament tho!


Don't worry, this event will be a great success. All it takes is some positive attitude towards NA players. And happy post #2000
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 09:39:06
May 01 2013 09:29 GMT
#454
Wow, rsvp came out of no where. There's actually a good mix of races there. Six Terran, five Zerg and five Protoss. Also do you think Minigun's diver licence will actually say Chad Motherfucker Jones?

On May 01 2013 17:23 namste wrote:
Looking at the list of invitees, I'm a bit worried that the viewer count will be quite small unless TB and or some other casters can really get a good show going. The quality of games by the look of it won't be extremely high. Hoping for a great and entertaining tournament tho!


Shoutcraft tournaments would feature 8 players, none of them Korean and usually a dark horse or two like DDE and Bling (he was pretty much unknown at the time). Also the prize pool never exceeded $5000. Despite this every single one proved incredibly popular. Considering the hype behind this and the fact that it's doing everything about three times bigger than the previous tournaments I really think you don't need to worry about a 'low viewer count'.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#455
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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
May 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#456
On May 01 2013 17:29 Superiorwolf wrote:
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On May 01 2013 17:23 namste wrote:
Looking at the list of invitees, I'm a bit worried that the viewer count will be quite small unless TB and or some other casters can really get a good show going. The quality of games by the look of it won't be extremely high. Hoping for a great and entertaining tournament tho!

Actually I think there's the potential to create really awesome storylines, plus even if the skill of the games may be lower than normal tournaments that does not mean the quality of games is necessarily reduced . . . if anything it can lead to even more exciting games. Plus I think most people underestimate NA players anyways. Tune in anyways and see if you might have a different opinion hopefully ^^


Tbh with you, I have no idea what people refer to when they talk about storylines, it's not like any tournament organiser has ever gone really up close and personal with the players. MLG and such tournaments always talk about exciting storylines, which in my opinion are never there. A story is more than a guy beating some other slightly favored opponent and advancing a slight further than most people would've guessed. The tournament organisers really need to get up close and personal with the players in order for these so called storylines to actually form.

But yeah I'm hoping for a really great tournament and I wish for everything to go absolutely perfectly. I will tune in to see what kind of production and the quality of the games there are. Might end up watching the whole thing.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 01 2013 09:56 GMT
#457
Seems like forever since we saw Idra compete, I thought he would play in this... did he not try or want?

Lineup looks still really good, looking forward to see the american scene duke it out.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 01 2013 10:00 GMT
#458
On May 01 2013 18:56 Musicus wrote:
Seems like forever since we saw Idra compete, I thought he would play in this... did he not try or want?

Lineup looks still really good, looking forward to see the american scene duke it out.


I checked Idra's match history, looks like he was trying but then lost 4 games in a row, losing a lot of points and then gave up about 1 hour before the deadline.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 01 2013 10:01 GMT
#459
On May 01 2013 18:49 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 16:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here are the Top 16 qualified players.

We will continually update as players accept invitation and provide proof of residency and account ownership

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ap5lSBTuqANidDBFYXFwZVBvRmJwTjQ1VlhsMmtvd0E#gid=0

Do you (or does anyone) have a final list of players who came close to qualifying, but didn't?


Scroll down further and you'll see the next five who were just outside the qualifying range (Sonic, Sasquatch, Trimaster, DuStSwarm and Bails)
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 01 2013 10:04 GMT
#460
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 01 2013 10:09 GMT
#461
On May 01 2013 19:00 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 18:56 Musicus wrote:
Seems like forever since we saw Idra compete, I thought he would play in this... did he not try or want?

Lineup looks still really good, looking forward to see the american scene duke it out.


I checked Idra's match history, looks like he was trying but then lost 4 games in a row, losing a lot of points and then gave up about 1 hour before the deadline.


Hm sad to hear, I mean it's a fair process but it's still a weird feeling. Somehow I still thought Idra was on a level where it's not even a question if he'd make top16 in something like this or not. That if he tried it would be easy for him. Hope he comes back strong in WCS.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 01 2013 10:09 GMT
#462
On May 01 2013 19:09 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 19:00 Dodgin wrote:
On May 01 2013 18:56 Musicus wrote:
Seems like forever since we saw Idra compete, I thought he would play in this... did he not try or want?

Lineup looks still really good, looking forward to see the american scene duke it out.


I checked Idra's match history, looks like he was trying but then lost 4 games in a row, losing a lot of points and then gave up about 1 hour before the deadline.


Hm sad to hear, I mean it's a fair process but it's still a weird feeling. Somehow I still thought Idra was on a level where it's not even a question if he'd make top16 in something like this or not. That if he tried it would be easy for him. Hope he comes back strong in WCS.


I think the main reason he didn't have enough points is because for the past few days or week he would instantly leave the game if he was matched up with Demuslim.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 01 2013 10:12 GMT
#463
thought QXC could not been in becasue he was no GM ?
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scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
May 01 2013 10:14 GMT
#464
On May 01 2013 19:09 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 19:09 Musicus wrote:
On May 01 2013 19:00 Dodgin wrote:
On May 01 2013 18:56 Musicus wrote:
Seems like forever since we saw Idra compete, I thought he would play in this... did he not try or want?

Lineup looks still really good, looking forward to see the american scene duke it out.


I checked Idra's match history, looks like he was trying but then lost 4 games in a row, losing a lot of points and then gave up about 1 hour before the deadline.


Hm sad to hear, I mean it's a fair process but it's still a weird feeling. Somehow I still thought Idra was on a level where it's not even a question if he'd make top16 in something like this or not. That if he tried it would be easy for him. Hope he comes back strong in WCS.


I think the main reason he didn't have enough points is because for the past few days or week he would instantly leave the game if he was matched up with Demuslim.


I wonder how he dealt with ByuN aka PuppyKing - I've seen him leave those games too...
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Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
May 01 2013 12:22 GMT
#465
Both NonY and IdrA should be listed ahead of Bails in the current list going around.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ladder/grandmaster/heart-of-the-swarm
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
May 01 2013 12:38 GMT
#466
Will the the top 4 in ladder ranking start each of the groups and then do a GSL style group selection process?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 01 2013 12:45 GMT
#467
On May 01 2013 21:38 Deadlift wrote:
Will the the top 4 in ladder ranking start each of the groups and then do a GSL style group selection process?

I think they said the ladder wouldn't be used for seeding. Not 100 % sure though.
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LOGMATHR
Profile Joined April 2013
30 Posts
May 01 2013 12:48 GMT
#468
Daaam Idra losing five games in a row just before ladder closed and didn't make the cut =S crap...
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
May 01 2013 12:52 GMT
#469
Vibuuu!
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UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 13:25:25
May 01 2013 13:24 GMT
#470
A bit of fan-art wallpaper. Players aren't finalised, and sadly it's missing a couple photos I couldn't find.

It's not my best work, but i had the urge! In reality it's actually probably pointless to post this. Oh well, I can update it later I guess (let me know if I mixed up photos, they are hard to find).


Higher Quality Image

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KatyBa04
Profile Joined December 2012
2 Posts
May 01 2013 13:31 GMT
#471
Was looking forward to this but lineup is meh.
Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
May 01 2013 14:08 GMT
#472
Sucks that Idra and Nony didn't get in. Would have raised my excitement level a ton!
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
May 01 2013 14:15 GMT
#473
Im gonna tune in for sure, but Josh is right. Missing Nony and Idra is gonna make this alot less exciting.
Then again, u never know how good some of these not so well known guys are! :O
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 01 2013 14:18 GMT
#474
I think this lineup is very strong overall, a lot of these guys are seriously underrated and I hope this tournament will bring them a bit more spotlight.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 01 2013 14:18 GMT
#475
On May 01 2013 23:15 stfouri wrote:
Im gonna tune in for sure, but Josh is right. Missing Nony and Idra is gonna make this alot less exciting.
Then again, u never know how good some of these not so well known guys are! :O


I would say at least half of them are better than those two, although I haven't seen *that* many games to ascertain it.
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Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
May 01 2013 14:26 GMT
#476
Looking forward to this tournament. The line-up is light on fan favourites but it gives us a chance to see more up and comers which is nice.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 01 2013 15:21 GMT
#477
On May 01 2013 22:24 UHF wrote:
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Suppy always has the best profile pictures. Also now that we see State is actually monchi in disguise he should probably be disqualified
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 01 2013 16:40 GMT
#478
Didn't know that Maker was such a cutie, and rsvp looks to be Frodan's younger brother. ^^ wd and gl, qualifiers.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
May 01 2013 19:02 GMT
#479
There are a ton of great players there, this will be a good tourney. The only player really missing who's good enough to be there is NonY.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 01 2013 21:32 GMT
#480
Yo I have a pic of Neeb and Drunkenboi
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading] <3


Grats to the 16!
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
May 01 2013 21:59 GMT
#481
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 02 2013 00:12 GMT
#482
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.


I think people should earn their spots rather than get in just by being popular.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 02 2013 00:13 GMT
#483
On May 02 2013 09:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.


I think people should earn their spots rather than get in just by being popular.


This times 1000 please keep that we have enough invite tournaments as there are
When I think of something else, something will go here
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 03:24:04
May 02 2013 02:38 GMT
#484
On May 02 2013 09:13 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.


I think people should earn their spots rather than get in just by being popular.


This times 1000 please keep that we have enough invite tournaments as there are

edit: wrote it while i'm on monster energy drinks.
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Geos13
Profile Joined May 2011
437 Posts
May 02 2013 02:49 GMT
#485
This tournament looks awesome! This is what I am most excited for in SC2 right now. I wish I hadn't gone to sleep at midnight and missed the last minute Vibe entry.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
May 02 2013 03:10 GMT
#486
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.

That's not a good idea long term. Better to make the current top players popular than giving has-beens free passes into the spotlight just because they'll get more viewers in the short term.
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kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
May 02 2013 03:20 GMT
#487
On May 02 2013 12:10 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.

That's not a good idea long term. Better to make the current top players popular than giving has-beens free passes into the spotlight just because they'll get more viewers in the short term.


It's easier and faster to make current top players popular by having them beat popular "has-beens" than if they beat another relatively unknown player.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 03:27:09
May 02 2013 03:21 GMT
#488
On May 02 2013 11:38 hellokittySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:13 blade55555 wrote:
On May 02 2013 09:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.


I think people should earn their spots rather than get in just by being popular.


This times 1000 please keep that we have enough invite tournaments as there are

then actually win games and get up the ladder rank so you won't complain about it.

edit: the qualification Is Laddering.


Uh I was agreeing with him about invites? I know the qualification is laddering... Not sure where you misread my post but I said this is a good thing and that he SHOULDN'T do invites by fan votes or anything.

I don't know where you got I was complaining about it please re-read my post about what I was thanking him for. I didnt' even try to ladder on NA much because I played mainly on kr and when this was announced I didn't have enough time due to work/school to attempt it. I hope they do a ladder thing again this season or qualifiers either work for me (assuming this happens again). Either way I am definitely going to ladder more on NA this season as last season I just did enough to keep me GM ^_^.
When I think of something else, something will go here
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25353 Posts
May 02 2013 03:26 GMT
#489
That lineup actually turned out pretty well!

I've always found it pretty interesting just how many Asian-Americans are top tier at SC in NA, especially compared to a lot of other ethnicities.
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Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 02 2013 09:00 GMT
#490
It's very interesting to see how much the NA scene has changed. You wouldn't even know about it because every tournament has invites of old school known guys and Koreans qualify.

And now when we get a tournament for top NA players people are complaining because they don't know them.
That kind of shows you how Koreans are ruining NA scene.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 02 2013 09:05 GMT
#491
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.

That would destroy the pupose of the tournament and AM would continue to follow around people who are not the best in their region anymore, like they are doing too much already anyways.
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
May 02 2013 18:43 GMT
#492
On May 02 2013 18:00 Spidinko wrote:
It's very interesting to see how much the NA scene has changed. You wouldn't even know about it because every tournament has invites of old school known guys and Koreans qualify.

And now when we get a tournament for top NA players people are complaining because they don't know them.
That kind of shows you how Koreans are ruining NA scene.


rofl that last sentence kinda came outta nowhere, or maybe there's simple logic i'm missing
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 02 2013 18:47 GMT
#493
On May 02 2013 09:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.


I think people should earn their spots rather than get in just by being popular.

Yes 10000x. I think this was one of the biggest problems with WCS. I know they were restricted by time to get it starting, but I would have liked to see less invites and more players through qualifiers (even if they did like a points system from the qualifiers like TSL). Thanks for making such a cool tournament, TotalBiscuit.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
May 02 2013 18:59 GMT
#494
On May 02 2013 12:20 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 12:10 NonY wrote:
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.

That's not a good idea long term. Better to make the current top players popular than giving has-beens free passes into the spotlight just because they'll get more viewers in the short term.


It's easier and faster to make current top players popular by having them beat popular "has-beens" than if they beat another relatively unknown player.

Yeah, I don't think the idea that using celebrity for immediate results is controversial. The more interesting discussion is about what kind of content is best for the future.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
May 02 2013 21:15 GMT
#495
Groups:
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 02 2013 21:20 GMT
#496
all those team kills O_o
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Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
May 02 2013 21:33 GMT
#497
On May 01 2013 23:26 Fischbacher wrote:
Looking forward to this tournament. The line-up is light on fan favourites but it gives us a chance to see more up and comers which is nice.


People always say that they want to see new blood in the scene so lets see if that is actually true or not.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
May 02 2013 21:34 GMT
#498
On May 03 2013 03:59 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 12:20 kheldorin wrote:
On May 02 2013 12:10 NonY wrote:
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.

That's not a good idea long term. Better to make the current top players popular than giving has-beens free passes into the spotlight just because they'll get more viewers in the short term.


It's easier and faster to make current top players popular by having them beat popular "has-beens" than if they beat another relatively unknown player.

Yeah, I don't think the idea that using celebrity for immediate results is controversial. The more interesting discussion is about what kind of content is best for the future.


There is no arguing here with NonY, not if you are actually interested in the actual development of the scene.

You can't create a healthy scene in the long term if the community wants their drama favorites to show up, it might be good for making money on TV, but it's catastrophic for a competitive environment. The community is entitled to their own favorites, but deciding tournament rosters for something deeply based on skill is just wrong on so many levels I cannot even begin to think about. What's next, kicking players out of tournaments they qualify for because community can vote out a player? Leave this kind of crap for crappy reality TV shows.

If you want to see has-beens get beaten by random/new/upcoming players then there are some streams that you can find that offer what you want.
Kineticwing
Profile Joined February 2013
Australia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 21:41:56
May 02 2013 21:36 GMT
#499
On May 03 2013 06:20 Shellshock1122 wrote:
all those team kills O_o


Isn't this the GSL group stage format so 2 get out. This means only Root players in group A have anything to worry about (theoritically). But it could get ugly.





Edit: I hate you shift key....
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 02 2013 21:44 GMT
#500
Really interesting groups, will create some interesting story lines . Glad I didn't get Group C, all 4 of those players are really good haha.
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TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
May 02 2013 21:48 GMT
#501
On May 03 2013 06:33 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 23:26 Fischbacher wrote:
Looking forward to this tournament. The line-up is light on fan favourites but it gives us a chance to see more up and comers which is nice.


People always say that they want to see new blood in the scene so lets see if that is actually true or not.


I'll only be watching because of Husky and TB casting, then eventually Day9. If anyone else was casting this, I doubt it would have the same draw that Cynical Brit has. Luckily Cynical Brit is in a position to benefit the community and put on a good show.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 22:14:12
May 02 2013 21:51 GMT
#502
On May 02 2013 09:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I think the idea mentioned last ItG about having 2 or 4 spots for community fan vote could be great for the next one.


I think people should earn their spots rather than get in just by being popular.

Would it help if the statement is amended to add a requirement such as being in the top 50 or 100 eligible which I sort of took for granted?

Edit to add: Also, I would argue and would be surprised if you disagree that popularity, in eSports at least, is earned. Certainly we could all pick some players we think deserve to be more popular and others deserve to be less popular but still.

It's certainly respectable to have the pure qualifications, but as mentioned it helps overall to maximize hype potential. Players campaigning for votes gives you free advertising, encourages player/fan interactions, etc., adds a storyline, and if/when unknown players win against them it's an extra notable achievement.

Of course there would be a downside or two, such as IdrA shrugging off deadline on the assumption he could get voted in (added while I do the edit above: Then again imagine iNcontroL vs IdrA trying to get voted in) so adding invites isn't all sunshine and kittens but I think from my outsider perspective there is more upside overall. Then again if I'm so smart why don't I have a million YouTube subscribers and the big money....
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
May 02 2013 22:05 GMT
#503
On May 03 2013 06:44 goswser wrote:
Really interesting groups, will create some interesting story lines . Glad I didn't get Group C, all 4 of those players are really good haha.


Ya group c is definitely the toughest.

My predictions:

Group A: Maker + Minigun
Group B: goswser + hendralisk
Group C: Kane + Suppy
Group D: qxc + STATE
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 02 2013 22:20 GMT
#504
On May 03 2013 07:05 rsvp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 06:44 goswser wrote:
Really interesting groups, will create some interesting story lines . Glad I didn't get Group C, all 4 of those players are really good haha.


Ya group c is definitely the toughest.

My predictions:

Group A: Maker + Minigun
Group B: goswser + hendralisk
Group C: Kane + Suppy
Group D: qxc + STATE

My predictions:
Group A: Minigun, Vibe
Group B: me, hendralisk
Group C: Kane, Masa
Group D: Qxc, State
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 03 2013 01:52 GMT
#505
Genna Bain ‏@GennaBain
Map pool for #SHOUTcraft America -- Akilon Wastes LE • Bel’Shir Vestige LE • Neo Planet S • GSL Star Station • Whirlwind LE


Seems like a nice map pool.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 03 2013 02:30 GMT
#506
On May 03 2013 07:05 rsvp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 06:44 goswser wrote:
Really interesting groups, will create some interesting story lines . Glad I didn't get Group C, all 4 of those players are really good haha.


Ya group c is definitely the toughest.

My predictions:

Group A: Maker + Minigun
Group B: goswser + hendralisk
Group C: Kane + Suppy
Group D: qxc + STATE


Gotta have the faith dude, go practice
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Kineticwing
Profile Joined February 2013
Australia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 02:36:10
May 03 2013 02:35 GMT
#507
Can some one post the alluc website predictions, if possible?

Edit: Spelling
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 03 2013 02:39 GMT
#508
On May 03 2013 11:35 Kineticwing wrote:
Can some one post the alluc website predictions, if possible?

Edit: Spelling

yeah I got you
+ Show Spoiler [A] +
                 Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
--------------------------------------------------------------
Minigun 61.94% 34.11% 27.83% 20.14% 17.92%
LeiYa 58.28% 29.26% 29.02% 22.83% 18.88%
ViBE 42.63% 19.98% 22.65% 27.78% 29.59%
Maker 37.15% 16.65% 20.50% 29.24% 33.60%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


+ Show Spoiler [B] +
                    Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
-----------------------------------------------------------------
goswser 60.38% 30.11% 30.27% 23.48% 16.14%
neeb 54.83% 28.62% 26.21% 23.76% 21.41%
hendralisk 55.10% 27.73% 27.37% 23.89% 21.01%
Drunkenboi 29.69% 13.54% 16.15% 28.86% 41.45%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


+ Show Spoiler [C] +
                    Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
-----------------------------------------------------------------
MaSa 64.63% 34.94% 29.70% 20.01% 15.36%
Suppy 56.08% 28.62% 27.46% 24.66% 19.25%
Kane 52.20% 24.79% 27.41% 25.65% 22.15%
hellokitty 27.08% 11.65% 15.43% 29.68% 43.24%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


+ Show Spoiler [D] +
                   Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
----------------------------------------------------------------
qxc 66.47% 36.90% 29.56% 18.80% 14.73%
Xenocider 49.65% 23.11% 26.54% 26.45% 23.90%
State 42.95% 21.34% 21.60% 26.13% 30.92%
rsvp 40.94% 18.64% 22.29% 28.61% 30.45%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
May 03 2013 02:43 GMT
#509
Groups are a little weak/easy to see who the top 2 are if you have seen the players play IMO
Kineticwing
Profile Joined February 2013
Australia9 Posts
May 03 2013 02:45 GMT
#510
On May 03 2013 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 11:35 Kineticwing wrote:
Can some one post the alluc website predictions, if possible?

Edit: Spelling

yeah I got you
+ Show Spoiler [A] +
                 Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
--------------------------------------------------------------
Minigun 61.94% 34.11% 27.83% 20.14% 17.92%
LeiYa 58.28% 29.26% 29.02% 22.83% 18.88%
ViBE 42.63% 19.98% 22.65% 27.78% 29.59%
Maker 37.15% 16.65% 20.50% 29.24% 33.60%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


+ Show Spoiler [B] +
                    Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
-----------------------------------------------------------------
goswser 60.38% 30.11% 30.27% 23.48% 16.14%
neeb 54.83% 28.62% 26.21% 23.76% 21.41%
hendralisk 55.10% 27.73% 27.37% 23.89% 21.01%
Drunkenboi 29.69% 13.54% 16.15% 28.86% 41.45%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


+ Show Spoiler [C] +
                    Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
-----------------------------------------------------------------
MaSa 64.63% 34.94% 29.70% 20.01% 15.36%
Suppy 56.08% 28.62% 27.46% 24.66% 19.25%
Kane 52.20% 24.79% 27.41% 25.65% 22.15%
hellokitty 27.08% 11.65% 15.43% 29.68% 43.24%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


+ Show Spoiler [D] +
                   Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
----------------------------------------------------------------
qxc 66.47% 36.90% 29.56% 18.80% 14.73%
Xenocider 49.65% 23.11% 26.54% 26.45% 23.90%
State 42.95% 21.34% 21.60% 26.13% 30.92%
rsvp 40.94% 18.64% 22.29% 28.61% 30.45%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


Woah! Nice and close!

Nothing like some of those WCS AM Groups......
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 06:01:17
May 03 2013 06:00 GMT
#511
Wow group b has two FXO terrans, hendralisk, and goswer!?! group of death!!!
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RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
May 03 2013 06:08 GMT
#512
On May 03 2013 15:00 Moosegills wrote:
Wow group b has two FXO terrans, hendralisk, and goswer!?! group of death!!!


nerd chills.
I <3 StarCraft.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
May 03 2013 06:09 GMT
#513
Drunkenboi is going to win, i'm calling it now!
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
May 03 2013 06:19 GMT
#514
On May 03 2013 15:09 lisward wrote:
Drunkenboi is going to win, i'm calling it now!

and then two days later hellbats are removed from the game ! :D
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 03 2013 06:19 GMT
#515
On May 03 2013 15:19 Moosegills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 15:09 lisward wrote:
Drunkenboi is going to win, i'm calling it now!

and then two days later hellbats are removed from the game ! :D


fuck hellbats :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 03 2013 08:33 GMT
#516
On May 03 2013 03:43 heartlxp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 18:00 Spidinko wrote:
It's very interesting to see how much the NA scene has changed. You wouldn't even know about it because every tournament has invites of old school known guys and Koreans qualify.

And now when we get a tournament for top NA players people are complaining because they don't know them.
That kind of shows you how Koreans are ruining NA scene.


rofl that last sentence kinda came outta nowhere, or maybe there's simple logic i'm missing

Yeah I didn't really go into details as this is not the place.

But if you look at most NA tournaments, they invite known players and make a qualifier.
Qualifiers are a great way to get some recognition in the scene. All's good until you realize that basically only Koreans get through those qualifiers and what that means is, that new NA talent doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
Without recognition they have it harder to become known as top NA players and unless they can beat top KR players they don't have very high chances of becoming known.

It can be argued that this leads to players losing incentive which further lowers the quality of the region.
50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
May 03 2013 08:35 GMT
#517
Fun fact
During Flash vs Parting yesterday I saw only 46k viewers on the Gom stream on Twitch. I think this tournament won't beat that despite better hours, so whoever bet there would be more than 50k concurrents(I think that was Wheat, right?) has a lot of #tagging to do...
I'm posting on twoplustwo because I have always been amazed at the level of talent that populates this site --- it's almost unparalleled on the Internet.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 03 2013 08:38 GMT
#518
--- Nuked ---
Mefano
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden190 Posts
May 03 2013 08:49 GMT
#519
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


Maybe read the post, and you will be answered.
Yo
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 03 2013 09:08 GMT
#520
On May 03 2013 17:35 50bani wrote:
Fun fact
During Flash vs Parting yesterday I saw only 46k viewers on the Gom stream on Twitch. I think this tournament won't beat that despite better hours, so whoever bet there would be more than 50k concurrents(I think that was Wheat, right?) has a lot of #tagging to do...


I'd bet my non-existent pride that the RO16 will pull in 30,000. With the finals hitting the 45,000-50,000 mark. Does anyone have the figures of the previous Shoutcraft invitational by any chance?
Ronski
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland266 Posts
May 03 2013 09:13 GMT
#521
On May 03 2013 18:08 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 17:35 50bani wrote:
Fun fact
During Flash vs Parting yesterday I saw only 46k viewers on the Gom stream on Twitch. I think this tournament won't beat that despite better hours, so whoever bet there would be more than 50k concurrents(I think that was Wheat, right?) has a lot of #tagging to do...


I'd bet my non-existent pride that the RO16 will pull in 30,000. With the finals hitting the 45,000-50,000 mark. Does anyone have the figures of the previous Shoutcraft invitational by any chance?


They had around 20k viewers if I remember correctly.
I am a tank. I am covered head to toe in solid plate mail. I carry a block of metal the size of a 4 door sedan to hide behind. If you see me running - you should too.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 03 2013 09:21 GMT
#522
On May 03 2013 18:13 Ronski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 18:08 Greendotz wrote:
On May 03 2013 17:35 50bani wrote:
Fun fact
During Flash vs Parting yesterday I saw only 46k viewers on the Gom stream on Twitch. I think this tournament won't beat that despite better hours, so whoever bet there would be more than 50k concurrents(I think that was Wheat, right?) has a lot of #tagging to do...


I'd bet my non-existent pride that the RO16 will pull in 30,000. With the finals hitting the 45,000-50,000 mark. Does anyone have the figures of the previous Shoutcraft invitational by any chance?


They had around 20k viewers if I remember correctly.


50K at least once in this tournament is pretty obtainable with the reach TB has and everyone else that will support this day9/husky/teams etc + I'm sure they will broadcast at the perfect time to grab both NA and as many EU viewers as they can.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 03 2013 09:38 GMT
#523
On May 03 2013 17:38 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 17:33 Spidinko wrote:
On May 03 2013 03:43 heartlxp wrote:
On May 02 2013 18:00 Spidinko wrote:
It's very interesting to see how much the NA scene has changed. You wouldn't even know about it because every tournament has invites of old school known guys and Koreans qualify.

And now when we get a tournament for top NA players people are complaining because they don't know them.
That kind of shows you how Koreans are ruining NA scene.


rofl that last sentence kinda came outta nowhere, or maybe there's simple logic i'm missing

Yeah I didn't really go into details as this is not the place.

But if you look at most NA tournaments, they invite known players and make a qualifier.
Qualifiers are a great way to get some recognition in the scene. All's good until you realize that basically only Koreans get through those qualifiers and what that means is, that new NA talent doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
Without recognition they have it harder to become known as top NA players and unless they can beat top KR players they don't have very high chances of becoming known.

It can be argued that this leads to players losing incentive which further lowers the quality of the region.

Sounds like your problem is with invite-heavy systems rather than Koreans winning qualifiers...

Why? Elaborate.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 03 2013 09:46 GMT
#524
Say what you will about TB, he's a breathe of fresh air in this scene.
Never make a hydralisk.
Trilandian
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel78 Posts
May 03 2013 13:24 GMT
#525
On May 03 2013 18:46 justinpal wrote:
Say what you will about TB, he's a breathe of fresh air in this scene.


Well, again, let's give credit where it's due. This is Genna's event after all.

Still, I 100% agree. Genna and TB are the biggest innovators the SC2 scene's had in the recent couple of years, if not ever.
Give me e-sports or give me death!
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
May 03 2013 16:25 GMT
#526
On May 03 2013 18:08 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 17:35 50bani wrote:
Fun fact
During Flash vs Parting yesterday I saw only 46k viewers on the Gom stream on Twitch. I think this tournament won't beat that despite better hours, so whoever bet there would be more than 50k concurrents(I think that was Wheat, right?) has a lot of #tagging to do...


I'd bet my non-existent pride that the RO16 will pull in 30,000. With the finals hitting the 45,000-50,000 mark. Does anyone have the figures of the previous Shoutcraft invitational by any chance?


If this was done before WCS NA it wouldnt even get close to 50k but with the way things are right now and people wanting to prove Blizzard it will probably hit 50k for sure.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 05 2013 06:07 GMT
#527
We are going live in 12 hours folks, I am informed that you must get hype
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
May 05 2013 06:22 GMT
#528
glhf doods
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 05 2013 06:25 GMT
#529
Hopefully we get some great games ^_^
Fenror
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 10:34:15
May 05 2013 10:31 GMT
#530
How come there's no liquipedia page for this tournament?

Edit: Oh there is, sorry I'm blind.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 05 2013 14:10 GMT
#531
Awesome event TB.

Hopefully you'll have some VODs not sure I can catch it live.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
May 05 2013 14:51 GMT
#532
On May 05 2013 15:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We are going live in 12 hours folks, I am informed that you must get hype


I have located the hype, it was behind the couch this whole time!
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
May 05 2013 15:47 GMT
#533
So IdrA is not in this because he couldn't get in the Top 16 of NA GM ladder or am I making a mistake here?

wow....
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 05 2013 15:57 GMT
#534
On May 06 2013 00:47 MBH wrote:
So IdrA is not in this because he couldn't get in the Top 16 of NA GM ladder or am I making a mistake here?

wow....

why would someone who isnt top16 gm na play in a tournament of players in top16 gm na?
btw no LR thread yet??
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
May 05 2013 16:00 GMT
#535
On May 06 2013 00:47 MBH wrote:
So IdrA is not in this because he couldn't get in the Top 16 of NA GM ladder or am I making a mistake here?

wow....


Nope he didn't make top 16, and he wasn't good enough to. Not sure where exactly the issue is.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
May 05 2013 16:10 GMT
#536
I hope the schedule will work for EU viewers as well...Interesting project
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 05 2013 16:13 GMT
#537
On May 06 2013 01:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
I hope the schedule will work for EU viewers as well...Interesting project

it starts at 8 gmt+2 so it should work for eu.
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
May 05 2013 16:19 GMT
#538
No thread in the Tournament section for this?
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
May 05 2013 16:57 GMT
#539
On May 06 2013 01:19 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
No thread in the Tournament section for this?

I just started one

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=411210
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Grimmac
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom71 Posts
May 05 2013 18:26 GMT
#540
so laggy ((((
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
May 05 2013 18:26 GMT
#541
On May 06 2013 01:00 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 00:47 MBH wrote:
So IdrA is not in this because he couldn't get in the Top 16 of NA GM ladder or am I making a mistake here?

wow....


Nope he didn't make top 16, and he wasn't good enough to. Not sure where exactly the issue is.


I am surprised that Idra is so bad nowadays, wasn't in any way a jab against the tourney.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
May 05 2013 18:29 GMT
#542
Hey Twitch, stop ruining this awesome tournament. Thanks.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 18:35:56
May 05 2013 18:34 GMT
#543
Whenever I complain about lag, I feel like a stereotypical woman complaining about her feelings.

Me: "I have horrible lag."

40 different people from representative countries around the world: "No lag for me!"

Me again: "Don't diminish my personal experiences!"
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
May 05 2013 22:11 GMT
#544
Truthfully I am not interested in any of the players playing in this tournament. However, I'm tuning in and keeping the stream on simply because I've believed in TotalBiscuit ever since he started in SC2 and enjoy his casting. Best of luck to them and what little support I can give just by watching the stream, I offer wholeheartedly.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
May 05 2013 22:17 GMT
#545
This is so cool!
Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
May 05 2013 22:25 GMT
#546
I really want to see how well Kane does =) Everytime I see him on some progamers stream he seems very very good but his ATC game against... mouz? Was it mouz? Or Quantic? I already forgot. But nonetheless, that game seemed kinda weak :/ Gogo Kane!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 22:44:24
May 05 2013 22:41 GMT
#547
On May 06 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:
Hey Twitch, stop ruining this awesome tournament. Thanks.


I tried to tune in for a bit too today. Saw a bit of PuCk versus ViBe but soon realized it was unwatchable. Watched part of the LoL qualifiers too on Twitch. Unwatchable as well. Luckily the LoL had other outlets like Azubu and Youtube.

Stream seems fine now after checking again.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
May 05 2013 22:43 GMT
#548
this is painful to watch.
The Show of a Lifetime
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
May 06 2013 21:52 GMT
#549
Great first day yesterday. Really excited for an america tournament to break 30k+ consecutive viewers when I was watching. Pretty amazing considering a lot of the players in it aren't big names. Hopefully this becomes an annual thing if it continues to be getting good viewer numbers as it'll really help america based players to try harder knowing they have a chance at making a little money while trying to win the bigger tournaments beyond this one.
JD, need I say more? :D
dr.fahrenheit
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria101 Posts
May 06 2013 23:10 GMT
#550
After watching Suppy vs Heart @WCS... Suppy is gonna take SCA no problem (go bears!)
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
ixzenxi
Profile Joined December 2012
United States138 Posts
May 12 2013 22:28 GMT
#551
Where were the forcefields.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
May 13 2013 14:01 GMT
#552
Idra will be casting with TB for RO8! Very excited :D! They'll complement each other very well with their combination of showmanship and analysis.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 13 2013 14:06 GMT
#553
oh wow that's sick news!

havn't really watched this much so far, but idra makes it a definite watch for me ^_^;
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Northern_iight
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada363 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 14:10:17
May 13 2013 14:09 GMT
#554
when is it? tuning in for sure
thanks TB and Genna for taking idra in.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
May 13 2013 14:14 GMT
#555
big news. guess now i have to watch the first hour of shoutcraft because i want to see how idra+TB is.
they werent friends before, right? ^^
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 13 2013 14:15 GMT
#556
On May 13 2013 23:14 75 wrote:
big news. guess now i have to watch the first hour of shoutcraft because i want to see how idra+TB is.
they werent friends before, right? ^^


I think that was a loooong time ago
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Wob
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands8 Posts
May 13 2013 14:17 GMT
#557
Looks like idra made the RO8 after all
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 13 2013 14:18 GMT
#558
On May 07 2013 08:10 dr.fahrenheit wrote:
After watching Suppy vs Heart @WCS... Suppy is gonna take SCA no problem (go bears!)




Suppy ;_;

Really cool tournament so far though, enjoyed it quite a bit.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 14:38:13
May 13 2013 14:32 GMT
#559
Been tuning in everyday, thanks for this. I love the interviews with the players before the matches.

Now if only you can do something about the ui during games that would be awesome! Its quite cluttered compared to some and I personally can't stand having the supply at the bottom middle, I much prefer top right since we are so used to looking there for it.
Chicodog
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark154 Posts
May 13 2013 14:55 GMT
#560
On May 13 2013 23:01 Dr.Sin wrote:
Idra will be casting with TB for RO8! Very excited :D! They'll complement each other very well with their combination of showmanship and analysis.


True. After TB has gotten better at analyzing the game it will be awesome when he is joined by Mr. Showmanship...
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25353 Posts
May 13 2013 14:56 GMT
#561
TB doesn't even have to do any analysis with Idra alongside him, who is pretty much pure analysis. Think this duo will work pretty damn well, their skillsets should dovetail pretty neatly
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 13 2013 15:21 GMT
#562
awww I can't listen to long to Idras voice it somehow wears me down. But a fascinating casting duo in many ways. And more viewers yay, the news atleast seems to be spreading already.
Trilandian
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel78 Posts
May 13 2013 16:03 GMT
#563
On May 13 2013 23:55 Chicodog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 23:01 Dr.Sin wrote:
Idra will be casting with TB for RO8! Very excited :D! They'll complement each other very well with their combination of showmanship and analysis.


True. After TB has gotten better at analyzing the game it will be awesome when he is joined by Mr. Showmanship...

LOL.
Give me e-sports or give me death!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 13 2013 16:05 GMT
#564
I hope they fake a massive hatred for each other just for a laugh...
RIP Meatloaf <3
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
May 13 2013 16:12 GMT
#565
On May 14 2013 01:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
I hope they fake a massive hatred for each other just for a laugh...



Haha that would be hilarious indeed!
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
May 13 2013 16:15 GMT
#566
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 13 2013 16:22 GMT
#567
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.

Seriously? The pregame banter is not only great for viewers, it allows the players to get more attention and to show a bit of personality. It's great for players, and a lot of people find it interesting to listen to. If you don't, you can just mute it or something.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
May 13 2013 16:24 GMT
#568
Excited for the cast! When will the RO8 take place though? Couldn't find any info on Liquipedia :/
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 13 2013 16:24 GMT
#569
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.


Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
May 13 2013 16:31 GMT
#570
On May 14 2013 01:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.


Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are.


I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 16:34:05
May 13 2013 16:32 GMT
#571
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.


Boy I bet you must be the life of the party IRL.

And then you complain that players are faceless and you don't feel any emotional investment into their matches.

On May 14 2013 01:31 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.a


Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are.


I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all.


Lol... It does affect their lives, because they choose for it to affect their lives, because they care about the people playing, which is what being a fan of someone is all about.

I just... ok. I'm glad people like you are in the minority.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 13 2013 16:45 GMT
#572
On May 14 2013 01:31 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.


Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are.


I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all.

I am constantly puzzled by people with this attitude. You seem to hate anything that will make someone some money. If that was true, i hope you didn't buy in to all this starcraft hype and buy the game. Guess what? Blizzard made a ton from it.

If you want to stay emotionally detached from something, i guess that's fine, but i like to think that there are many different levels on which you can enjoy something. Just because someone enjoys it on a different level to you (by getting involved with the personalities of players, rooting for certain players over others etc.) it doesn't make that any less valid.
RIP Meatloaf <3
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 13 2013 16:46 GMT
#573
On May 14 2013 01:31 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 14 2013 01:15 Kinon wrote:
[Banter, trash talk and psyching out your opposition are encouraged. Online tournaments have often been barren, lacking in personality.


Is this what Sc2 is becoming? Doing anything for the sake of more viewers? Causing artificial drama to increase viewer count is now more important than just the skill of the players? If this is what the SC community wants, I no longer consider myself a part of it.


Until you have seen it, don't hate on it. Its more of a chance for usually faceless players to show who they are.


I'm not interested in who the players are, since I don't cheer for anyone whatsoever. I only like watching good games. All this pre-game hype and meet-the-players is meant to create emotional involvement and get bigger revenues. The same principle is applied for example in football, where 'fans' waste huge amounts of money on something that doesn't affect their lives at all.


I'm not sure the community needs someone like you anyway
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 16:49:03
May 13 2013 16:47 GMT
#574
And then you complain that players are faceless and you don't feel any emotional investment into their matches.


Check my post history, I never complained about faceless players. I always had the same principle as stated above.

Lol... It does affect their lives, because they choose for it to affect their lives, because they care about the people playing, which is what being a fan of someone is all about.

I just... ok. I'm glad people like you are in the minority.


If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing.

I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you.

I'm not sure the community needs someone like you anyway


That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 16:53:39
May 13 2013 16:52 GMT
#575
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
And then you complain that players are faceless and you don't feel any emotional investment into their matches.


Check my post history, I never complained about faceless players. I always had the same principle as stated above.

Show nested quote +
Lol... It does affect their lives, because they choose for it to affect their lives, because they care about the people playing, which is what being a fan of someone is all about.

I just... ok. I'm glad people like you are in the minority.


If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing.

I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you.

Show nested quote +
I'm not sure the community needs someone like you anyway


That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business.


Oh, you're one of *those* high horse people. * DURR you're all irrational and dumb for giving a shit about the sport you're watching, bask in my superiority NURR*

Yeah, the community definitely doesn't need you if you're going to be so spiteful for no reason.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 13 2013 16:54 GMT
#576
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote:
That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business.


Yes we make so much money by spending $10k+ on a tournament where we'll only see at best 50% of that back in ad revenue.

We are evil corporate geniuses, you have found us out, what a master detective you are.

You don't affect anything, get over yourself.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 13 2013 16:54 GMT
#577
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote:

If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing.

I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you.


You are actually very wrong, in a philosophical sense. If someone is invested in something, emotionally or financially, then the outcome of that thing has a real and genuine effect on their life. We create in our own minds the world we experience. Your rationality may have some issues in dealing with this, but it is basically a fact.
Consider football. I am a huge Nottingham Forest fan. Its a tough life, but when we win, it cheers me up. If i am having a hard time at work or have had an argument with my girlfriend, the outcome of a football match can completely change things. By refusing to 'invest' in this, nothing would be better or worse, i would just have a completely different experience of weekends.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
May 13 2013 16:56 GMT
#578
On May 14 2013 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote:
That's quite obviously true, it would affect your business.


Yes we make so much money by spending $10k+ on a tournament where we'll only see at best 50% of that back in ad revenue.

We are evil corporate geniuses, you have found us out, what a master detective you are.

You don't affect anything, get over yourself.


I fucking love you TB.
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Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
May 13 2013 17:03 GMT
#579
On May 14 2013 01:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote:

If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing.

I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you.


You are actually very wrong, in a philosophical sense. If someone is invested in something, emotionally or financially, then the outcome of that thing has a real and genuine effect on their life. We create in our own minds the world we experience. Your rationality may have some issues in dealing with this, but it is basically a fact.
Consider football. I am a huge Nottingham Forest fan. Its a tough life, but when we win, it cheers me up. If i am having a hard time at work or have had an argument with my girlfriend, the outcome of a football match can completely change things. By refusing to 'invest' in this, nothing would be better or worse, i would just have a completely different experience of weekends.


Your the first one to actually answer my question and not flame me. You bring up a good point, 'We create in our own minds the world we experience'. But you don't actually do anything to make Nottingham Forest a better team, so isn't the joy from one of their wins a void experience?
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 17:22:35
May 13 2013 17:14 GMT
#580
On May 14 2013 02:03 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 14 2013 01:47 Kinon wrote:

If your favourite team beats another team, it has no real impact on your life. You had nothing to do with it, and your sentiment of joy is based on nothing.

I consider that what I wrote is rational. If you are glad that people like me are in the minority, I pity you.


You are actually very wrong, in a philosophical sense. If someone is invested in something, emotionally or financially, then the outcome of that thing has a real and genuine effect on their life. We create in our own minds the world we experience. Your rationality may have some issues in dealing with this, but it is basically a fact.
Consider football. I am a huge Nottingham Forest fan. Its a tough life, but when we win, it cheers me up. If i am having a hard time at work or have had an argument with my girlfriend, the outcome of a football match can completely change things. By refusing to 'invest' in this, nothing would be better or worse, i would just have a completely different experience of weekends.


Your the first one to actually answer my question and not flame me. You bring up a good point, 'We create in our own minds the world we experience'. But you don't actually do anything to make Nottingham Forest a better team, so isn't the joy from one of their wins a void experience?



Hmm...
Not sure if i would call it a void experience. I think it would differ form person to person, depending on their ability (maybe just willingness) to empathize with a player, or group of players. But i would still hold that investment (time, emotional, and money) is enough to create a real sense of connection with events. My main point is that the emotion that is created by this feels real, and therefore it is real.
I can remember when Taeja was on a huge winning streak. I spent a whole weekend watching MLG, i paid them to get the thing in high quality. When it was over, i genuinely felt relief and a sense of wellbeing. This lasted probably over a day.I went to work thinking about Taeja and how awesome he is at Starcraft. Could this have happened if i was just watching to appreciate the quality of the games? I'm not sure.
I can watch Messi play football and appreciate that it is beautiful and awesome, but it would never beat Forest beating Leeds 7-1 on a rainy horrible muddy pitch last year. Shoutcraft is deliberately designed to appeal to that 'other' way of watching sports, i think.
With esports this becomes even more puzzling. Can you empathize with someone through the medium of watching a game of starcraft, or is it the events of the game that people feel this connection with? This is even more relevant at the moment with the whole Idra thing that has happened. His 'personality' (interchangeable with controversy maybe) obviously seem to gain him more viewers.


edit: These are two points of view that often clash in the world of football. The hatred all over my country of Manchester United fans is based on pretty much the same thing. Man U fans probably just want to watch the best team play, but usually people's team are their closest decent local team (or are team that has been 'passed down' through generations of a family). This leads to a surprisingly huge amount of resentment, but i honestly think the whole thing is based on this two ways of looking at sport.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
May 13 2013 17:30 GMT
#581
edit: These are two points of view that often clash in the world of football. The hatred all over my country of Manchester United fans is based on pretty much the same thing. Man U fans probably just want to watch the best team play, but usually people's team are their closest decent local team (or are team that has been 'passed down' through generations of a family). This leads to a surprisingly huge amount of resentment, but i honestly think the whole thing is based on this two ways of looking at sport.


I know that sentiment when the local team beats their bigger nemesis. The problem is that emotional involvement in such things also can make you angry. When I go to the local football team's games, I have a blast watching people rage because of the score. That's why I consider rooting for some player or team irrational: you basically watch an event and get angry or joy, having no control over it at all. That's why I made the post about hyping games up and everything.

Anyway, seems like when we started talking rationally, everyone got quiet. It's probably the bad place for this kind of talk, so have a good night.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 13 2013 17:45 GMT
#582
The reason people don't "talk about it" is because they aren't robots. Humans are emotional beings, if you aren't feeling any emotion when dealing with sports there's probably something wrong with you. We're not wired to be unfeeling machines.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 13 2013 17:47 GMT
#583
On May 14 2013 02:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The reason people don't "talk about it" is because they aren't robots. Humans are emotional beings, if you aren't feeling any emotion when dealing with sports there's probably something wrong with you. We're not wired to be unfeeling machines.


No, clearly he's a superior, evolved being, completely rational and unaffected by human imperfections such as emotions...

-_-
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
May 13 2013 17:56 GMT
#584
On May 14 2013 02:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The reason people don't "talk about it" is because they aren't robots. Humans are emotional beings, if you aren't feeling any emotion when dealing with sports there's probably something wrong with you. We're not wired to be unfeeling machines.


I want to talk about it cos i find it interesting. The guy has what i see as a bit of a strange POV. Its fun to explore that kind of thing. For some people.
RIP Meatloaf <3
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25353 Posts
May 13 2013 18:36 GMT
#585
I am with him on the annoyance of people vicariously living off the exploits of their team. My workplace is full of such 'banter' and it's obnoxious

I do get an internal, warm fuzzy feeling when HerO wins games, so I agree that you do get something back from the emotional investment in certain players
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Fat_Elephant
Profile Joined May 2013
Angola54 Posts
May 13 2013 18:38 GMT
#586
TotalBiscuit is single-handedly keeping this game alive.
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Trilandian
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel78 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 19:12:45
May 13 2013 19:12 GMT
#587
On May 14 2013 02:30 Kinon wrote:
Anyway, seems like when we started talking rationally, everyone got quiet. It's probably the bad place for this kind of talk, so have a good night.

My god but you're just a fucking emotionless robot, aren't you?

On May 14 2013 03:38 Fat_Elephant wrote:
TotalBiscuit is single-handedly keeping this game alive.

Dude, credit where credit's due. This is Genna's tourney.
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