On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote: what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?
i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.
Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.
They let you write for this site? God.
in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.
at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.
If people are uncomfortable with giving identifiable information to me then they don't have to apply. You're the one suggesting we release that information which is bonkers fucking ridiculous.
The way of proving you are a permanent US resident is to have a greencard, since you require one in order to be a lawful permanent resident. If you don't have a greencard, you are not a permanent resident.
It was a theoretical question posed because I guarantee you will have people on the internet doubting that participants meet the residency requirements you put out, especially if they are a new name and face. It's good to see from your responses that you wouldn't play willy-nilly with people's information.
Why would you even think that he would "play willy-nilly" at all? And since when has TB given a damn about what people on the internet say or think?
On April 25 2013 08:17 Klipsys wrote: TB best businessman in esports. Saw an opportunity and capitalize on it. We need more intelligent people like him
Give credit where it's due. Thank the Good Wife.
Oh my, I wasn't being fair was I. Yes, she shares a large portion of the credit as well. Sorry for being slightly misogynistic
thank the lord i feel was feeling really depressed about the na scene because there seems to be alot of good players with no way to show off their skills!
I think this is great and I'll be very excited to watch! Huge props to Genna and John for taking the initiative and putting this together. I wish them every success with the venture.
My one concern, which is really more of a question than a concern, is whether the way the prize pool is being distributed is too top-heavy, and if it might be better for all concerned if there was less of a disparity in earnings between the winner and the lower half of the bracket. Root Catz has been outspoken about this issue, and articulates it far better than I can. But the gist of it is that a format which distributes prize money more evenly helps to foster the community and encourage development, since lower placing competitors can still make enough to pay the bills, even without highly lucrative sponsorship deals. Professional golf and tennis tournaments are examples of that sort of format, where dominant players, like your Tiger Woods or Roger Federer really make money from endorsements, while lower tier players, who don't get the endorsements, still get by decently on their winnings, and can afford to focus on their game as a career.
Since this tournament is all about putting the focus on SC2 talent in North and South America, and fostering the scene in these regions, I'd really like to hear Genna or TB's thoughts on this prize pool and SC2 prize pools in general. Also, if you guys haven't, I'd encourage you to get in touch with Catz!
On April 25 2013 08:42 Draxtier wrote: My one concern, which is really more of a question than a concern, is whether the way the prize pool is being distributed is too top-heavy, and if it might be better for all concerned if there was less of a disparity in earnings between the winner and the lower half of the bracket.
It's a one-day, online tournament. It's not something like WCS where you have to play and train for many weeks at a time, or like MLG where you probably have to fly there.
Looking at the NA GM Ladder Ranking there are quite a few people there I have no idea who they are so will be interesting to see who ends up in the tournament
As expected, DeMusliM confirmed on stream that he is not invited to Shoutcraft America. It sounds like Genna reached out in advance to him to apologize, which is nice of her. I think the clear residency rule is good and makes sense, but it does mean Ben gets screwed in both WCS and Shoutcraft! hopefully DeMusliM manages to get official US residency, if he intends to keep playing from the US for the forseeable future.
TB was good enough to reach out prior to our announcement I believe. I have a lot of remorse over Demu not being able to participate in my event, but that's not to say I won't eventually hold something like this for EU-only players. There are also some NA players who do not actually play on the NA ladder, like HuK... although he says he will be back on NA ladder soon.
Wish I could save all of esports, but I'm afraid I have to take these things one at a time....
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote: what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?
i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.
Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.
They let you write for this site? God.
in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.
at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.
Hmm.... I had a US social security card longgggg before I became a naturalized citizen. So I'd imagine permanent residents can get them too...or otherwise how did I have one for all those years.
People on work visas get them as well. I imagine its more to prove identity than citizenship.
Edit. I mean legal right to work. Don't know why I said identity :p
Social security card doesn't prove citizenship nor residency. Now depending on how TB and Genna want to run the tournament, the card might be enough. Proving citizenship can be difficult if someone doesn't have a passport, maybe a birth certificate is enough. But at end of the day, none of this matters because it's their tournament, they are funding it, and however they want to format the tournament, is how the tournament will be formatted.
Just appreciate that people are willing to create these tournaments and give gamers opportunities for funding.
On April 25 2013 10:03 Intricacy wrote: TB was good enough to reach out prior to our announcement I believe. I have a lot of remorse over Demu not being able to participate in my event, but that's not to say I won't eventually hold something like this for EU-only players. There are also some NA players who do not actually play on the NA ladder, like HuK... although he says he will be back on NA ladder soon.
Wish I could save all of esports, but I'm afraid I have to take these things one at a time....
You're doing great work and this tournament is a great initiative. Would've been great to see DeMu in it but the line has to be drawn somewhere and some people will sadly fall just outside it
So who are actual contenders for this? I actually can't think of a single NA/SA player that is on the very highest level. On the GM ladder the top 3 is British/French/Korean. The only ones I could think of are Scarlett and HuK (idk if he's even good anymore), but they don't play NA ladder.
Personally I think all the WCS going on will satisfy my SC2 watching needs, the EU/KR version in particular will just be higher level I guess.
Very good though for the players to have something like this, maybe I will check the finals just to see who it will actually be. I don't have any clue, as I said I can't think of even a single really legit good American :X
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