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On April 26 2013 08:55 Fluffboll wrote:
If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements
I'm sorry, I may have misread the rules. where does it talk about place of birth ?
Let's not pretend that there is a legal definition behind the rules then, and just say: 'Are eligible, people that will be deemed 'american'-enough by the organizers....
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On April 25 2013 16:04 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?
i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism. Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are. They let you write for this site? God. in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky. at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it. are you quite certain?
It's not true. I got a social security card when I was doing a 5 months internship in US.
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This sounds so sick, way to take matters into your own hands and test whether a region lock system will work TB and Jenna!
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On April 26 2013 09:03 shmget wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 08:55 Fluffboll wrote:
If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements I'm sorry, I may have misread the rules. where does it talk about place of birth ? Let's not pretend that there is a legal definition behind the rules then, and just say: 'Are eligible, people that will be deemed 'american'-enough by the organizers....
Obviously you did misread the rules, you require a legal status of permanent residency or citizenship within the continental Americas, which under no circumstances does Demuslim hold.
Not even sure why we're responding to a 4-post pedant but hey, it might be useful for people to read.
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On April 26 2013 09:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Obviously you did misread the rules, you require a legal status of permanent residency or citizenship within the continental Americas, which under no circumstances does Demuslim hold.
My mistake, I indeed missed the 'continental' tidbit, sorry about that.
So Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, etc. are out right ?
On April 26 2013 09:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Not even sure why we're responding to a 4-post pedant but hey, it might be useful for people to read.
Classy.
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Such brilliance!! Ride MLG's failure to success! ^_~
I like the idea of the ladder-based system. I think GM requirement can be good, though, it is rather unfortunate for anyone who had not gotten into GM because it didn't do anything before but look cool.
On April 26 2013 09:39 shmget wrote:
My mistake, I indeed missed the 'continental' tidbit, sorry about that.
So Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, etc. are out right ?
Doubt it'll matter. What are the odds of having someone from there playing, haha? It'll depend on how players qualify I suppose...
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t.t bad time to take some time off
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On April 26 2013 09:57 ROOTT1 wrote:
t.t bad time to take some time off
Good time to prepare for Season 2!
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heh yea thats the plan, i know it goes without saying by now but ty for giving back to the community 
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On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:
- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.
If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!
1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.
2) Same thing.
3) Same thing I imagine.
4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.
5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.
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On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:
- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.
If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it! 1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot. 2) Same thing. 3) Same thing I imagine. 4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players. 5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.
Idra isnt even the best American Zerg on EG. Suppy is.
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On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:
- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.
If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it! 1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot. 2) Same thing. 3) Same thing I imagine. 4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players. 5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.
while i agree with everything else (including the point about IdrA), there is a certain canadian who could make the "best Zerg in NA" claim very debatable. :-)
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TB you are such a boom to the community. Thank you for all you do.
PS You should call this tournament, "What WCS America Should've Been"
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Genna and TV single-handedly saving Starcraft by creating their own WCS done right. LOVE YOU GUYS!
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Oh DeMu was born on the third Sunday of March in 1986 (THE YEAR OF THE RAT) at 2:54 PM SO TECHNICALLY HE IS AN AMERICAN LOL
Jesus. Let it go people....
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Nice to see some common sense from TotalBiscuit after all the full on fail we've seen from Blizzard lately with the 2013 WCS. Good luck guys, wish you all the best!
Whatever hope I had in Blizzard died with Diablo 3. Can't even justify the HoTs upgrade because of that fiasco but I'll make sure to tune in to ShoutCraft to show my support for people cleaning up the clusterfuck that is 2013 regionals.
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SC2 "community":
"Raaawwwwrrrr, fuck Blizzard for screwing over American players by letting Koreans participate. They´re ruining a growing scene, we need region locks!"
Tournament for Americans only comes around...
"Raaaawwwwrrrrr!"
If people got what they deserved, we wouldn´t have Starcraft at all.
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Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.
However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.
I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.
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On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.
However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.
I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.
The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.
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On April 26 2013 15:31 Holdenintherye wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.
However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.
I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year. The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.
It´s a weird situation. Most of the training happens on ladder, but the serious one on smurf accounts. I wonder how they deal with it and whether barcodes will be applicable. If not, it would force players to practice publicly, which many won´t want to.
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