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shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
April 26 2013 00:03 GMT
#301
On April 26 2013 08:55 Fluffboll wrote:
If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements


I'm sorry, I may have misread the rules. where does it talk about place of birth ?

Let's not pretend that there is a legal definition behind the rules then, and just say: 'Are eligible, people that will be deemed 'american'-enough by the organizers....
Rombur
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium107 Posts
April 26 2013 00:07 GMT
#302
On April 25 2013 16:04 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

are you quite certain?

It's not true. I got a social security card when I was doing a 5 months internship in US.
Jinro, Rain, Sting, Byun, Alive, Bomber Fighting
Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
April 26 2013 00:11 GMT
#303
This sounds so sick, way to take matters into your own hands and test whether a region lock system will work TB and Jenna!
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:19:43
April 26 2013 00:19 GMT
#304
On April 26 2013 09:03 shmget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 08:55 Fluffboll wrote:
If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements


I'm sorry, I may have misread the rules. where does it talk about place of birth ?

Let's not pretend that there is a legal definition behind the rules then, and just say: 'Are eligible, people that will be deemed 'american'-enough by the organizers....


Obviously you did misread the rules, you require a legal status of permanent residency or citizenship within the continental Americas, which under no circumstances does Demuslim hold.

Not even sure why we're responding to a 4-post pedant but hey, it might be useful for people to read.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
April 26 2013 00:39 GMT
#305
On April 26 2013 09:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Obviously you did misread the rules, you require a legal status of permanent residency or citizenship within the continental Americas, which under no circumstances does Demuslim hold.


My mistake, I indeed missed the 'continental' tidbit, sorry about that.
So Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, etc. are out right ?

On April 26 2013 09:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Not even sure why we're responding to a 4-post pedant but hey, it might be useful for people to read.


Classy.

Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:51:01
April 26 2013 00:44 GMT
#306
Such brilliance!! Ride MLG's failure to success! ^_~

I like the idea of the ladder-based system. I think GM requirement can be good, though, it is rather unfortunate for anyone who had not gotten into GM because it didn't do anything before but look cool.

On April 26 2013 09:39 shmget wrote:
My mistake, I indeed missed the 'continental' tidbit, sorry about that.
So Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, etc. are out right ?

Doubt it'll matter. What are the odds of having someone from there playing, haha? It'll depend on how players qualify I suppose...
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
April 26 2013 00:57 GMT
#307
t.t bad time to take some time off
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#308
On April 26 2013 09:57 ROOTT1 wrote:
t.t bad time to take some time off


Good time to prepare for Season 2!
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
April 26 2013 03:11 GMT
#309
heh yea thats the plan, i know it goes without saying by now but ty for giving back to the community
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
April 26 2013 03:58 GMT
#310
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 26 2013 04:09 GMT
#311
On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.

Idra isnt even the best American Zerg on EG. Suppy is.
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DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 26 2013 04:14 GMT
#312
On April 26 2013 12:58 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 18:00 Inimic wrote:
First of all, I <3 the idea. However, I'm looking forward to how you approach:

- the korean smurfs which routinely make top 16 GM, like anonymous.
- the korean non-smurfs who own face, like cShuttle (I think he lives in NA though)
- the European players who ladder on NA sometimes. Is Stephano going to be the Great American Hope (G.A.H.)?
- Idra being allowed to compete, despite his venomous, rude behavior every single day on ladder, and in most tournaments he's in. (I USED to like the guy mind you)
- the map hackers who sometimes make top 16- saw Grubby play against one recently on EU, top GM, extremely obvious about it with horrible micro.


If you can take care of that stuff (maybe minus the Idra point, I guess he's popular or whatever), I'm really looking forward to it!


1) Verification of identity before inviting them to the tournament will reveal them to be Korean and they will not count. The next player down will have his spot.

2) Same thing.

3) Same thing I imagine.

4) What? Don't forget that IdrA is still the best American Zerg. Regardless of his attitude, he's still the best Zerg in NA. His behavior shouldn't be relevant to his entry to a tournament for the best NA players.

5) Again, their identity will be verified, I'm sure. Face to face interviews? No maphacker will want to do that since they will definitely get caught and their face will be all over the internet.

while i agree with everything else (including the point about IdrA), there is a certain canadian who could make the "best Zerg in NA" claim very debatable. :-)
sword_siege
Profile Joined September 2002
United States624 Posts
April 26 2013 04:22 GMT
#313
TB you are such a boom to the community. Thank you for all you do.

PS You should call this tournament, "What WCS America Should've Been"
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
April 26 2013 05:10 GMT
#314
Genna and TV single-handedly saving Starcraft by creating their own WCS done right. LOVE YOU GUYS!
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
April 26 2013 05:32 GMT
#315
Oh DeMu was born on the third Sunday of March in 1986 (THE YEAR OF THE RAT) at 2:54 PM SO TECHNICALLY HE IS AN AMERICAN LOL

Jesus. Let it go people....
Hudson Valley Progamer
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
April 26 2013 05:42 GMT
#316
Nice to see some common sense from TotalBiscuit after all the full on fail we've seen from Blizzard lately with the 2013 WCS. Good luck guys, wish you all the best!

Whatever hope I had in Blizzard died with Diablo 3. Can't even justify the HoTs upgrade because of that fiasco but I'll make sure to tune in to ShoutCraft to show my support for people cleaning up the clusterfuck that is 2013 regionals.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 26 2013 06:05 GMT
#317
SC2 "community":

"Raaawwwwrrrr, fuck Blizzard for screwing over American players by letting Koreans participate. They´re ruining a growing scene, we need region locks!"

Tournament for Americans only comes around...

"Raaaawwwwrrrrr!"


If people got what they deserved, we wouldn´t have Starcraft at all.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
April 26 2013 06:16 GMT
#318
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
April 26 2013 06:31 GMT
#319
On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.

The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 26 2013 06:42 GMT
#320
On April 26 2013 15:31 Holdenintherye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 15:16 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Very cool that there is a tournament such as this to help motivate and require participants to ladder.

However, I don't agree with the GM requirement. I don't think it is fair to players that have other obligations and can't afford the time to reach GM. I can't think of too many players, but I know Spanishiwa isn't GM but he is a very good player. But it is Genna/TB's choice to do what they see as fair and fit.

I know it may seem that ladder maps would be the obvious choice, but I think it would be cool if some KESPA maps were introduced. They'd change up the playstyles and it would be nice to see maps that aren't being constantly played as was the case for last year.

The point having the GM requirement is that currently there is no reward for being on GM. Lot of players invest time and effort into the ladder, yet there is no "real" way of benefiting from this. This tournament is trying to provide an opportunity to reward those players.


It´s a weird situation. Most of the training happens on ladder, but the serious one on smurf accounts. I wonder how they deal with it and whether barcodes will be applicable. If not, it would force players to practice publicly, which many won´t want to.
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