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Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
April 25 2013 02:56 GMT
#281
This sounds fantastic, I'm a bit upset I didn't click this thread sooner.
Without a community, we're all just a bunch of geeks.
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 06:48 GMT
#282
On April 24 2013 22:52 Shinespark wrote:
I'm just glad they remembered there are other countries besides "America" in America...

Anyway, I hope Huk takes it. And Minigun beats Idra.

there was a post earlier in the thread where huk said that he and scarlett were out of luck since they are in korea and will not have the ranking to compete.
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 06:49 GMT
#283
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:36 Pandemona wrote:
Finally. DeMuslim gets to show he is the best NA player
Oh and win a tournament for first time in a while :D

Oh, thanks for making this TB


Polt.


Oh fuck ;_;
But he shouldn't count ((((( rofl


Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense.



Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not.


That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school.


Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards.

but . . . you want . . . reading and comprehension?!? :-D
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 25 2013 07:04 GMT
#284
On April 25 2013 06:59 itsjustatank wrote:
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On April 25 2013 06:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 25 2013 05:43 itsjustatank wrote:
what are the specifics on how proof of residency is established in tournament rules? what legal documents should be submitted? will utility bills work? financial statements? police records? will these be made public to provide transparency and proof that the participants are 100% homegrown american?

i do appreciate that it is being called what it is though: protectionism.


Lol at your ridiculous over-reaction. Gee, maybe your social security card or drivers license? Not too tricky to prove who you actually are.

They let you write for this site? God.


in the united states, social security cards are given only to citizens, and having a driver's license does not necessarily signify that you are a lawful permanent resident. using these as proof to attach internet handles and real names is also tricky.

at any case what I am getting at is you are calling for some serious personally identifiable information from people, and I am hoping that you take great care with it.

are you quite certain?
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 25 2013 09:51 GMT
#285
Really shows a lot of what is wrong with people. There are 16 people who have to send some kind of proof they can take part in this tournament. Maybe let them and Genna/TB sort that out themselves instead of complaining about something that is not of the slightest interest to yourself?
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
April 25 2013 13:45 GMT
#286
Hm, come to think of it, you might probably run these once a month or so! That way you could circumvent the stupid 10k non-compete from Blizzard.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 25 2013 14:02 GMT
#287
On April 25 2013 18:51 grs wrote:
Really shows a lot of what is wrong with people. There are 16 people who have to send some kind of proof they can take part in this tournament. Maybe let them and Genna/TB sort that out themselves instead of complaining about something that is not of the slightest interest to yourself?


The questions being asked pertains to certain interest no? That usually is the case with questions, you want to know the answer.

I don't think anyone thinks this initiative is bad in any way but some information were left out and some of us wanted to know the specifics in certain areas.
I personally dropped the subject since it isn't relevant to me since I can't compete (nor am I good enough) and in the end I trust Genna and John to do a great job, but my interest in the answers is still there just not important enough to harass them with.
You need to construct additional pylons.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 25 2013 15:08 GMT
#288
On April 25 2013 23:02 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 18:51 grs wrote:
Really shows a lot of what is wrong with people. There are 16 people who have to send some kind of proof they can take part in this tournament. Maybe let them and Genna/TB sort that out themselves instead of complaining about something that is not of the slightest interest to yourself?


The questions being asked pertains to certain interest no? That usually is the case with questions, you want to know the answer.

I don't think anyone thinks this initiative is bad in any way but some information were left out and some of us wanted to know the specifics in certain areas.
I personally dropped the subject since it isn't relevant to me since I can't compete (nor am I good enough) and in the end I trust Genna and John to do a great job, but my interest in the answers is still there just not important enough to harass them with.

As you stated yourself, it is not relevant to you and the questions are there to harras people. That's what I meant and it seems we agree.
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
April 25 2013 17:21 GMT
#289
Awesome job GB

If there is a market for NA-only mid-sized tournament then there will be one, and its good news that the first try is done by people who have proven record of knowing their stuff - so there is much higher chance of the tourney being a success and becoming a regular one and/or inspiring other parties to carry out similar endeavours.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
April 25 2013 17:34 GMT
#290
Il go with a 1998 chardonay Nony for this tournament
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#291
The pre-game interviews are actually one of the most exciting things about this for me. You're always much more invested in a fight when the competitors have to talk they need to live up too.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
April 25 2013 21:27 GMT
#292
Wow, a lot of thought went into this. I really wanna see Vibe just come in and dominate the whole thing.

Thanks TB!
Northern_iight
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada363 Posts
April 25 2013 21:28 GMT
#293
sounds really awesome! Will definitely follow and tune into this
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 21:44:01
April 25 2013 21:43 GMT
#294
Apologies for the OTness but since I know TB will almost certainly read this:

Does this tournament mean that the idea for having a barcode tournament mexican wrestler facemask style is now on the back burner or off the table completely? I thought that was a great idea for a fun viewer experience.
Red and yellow are all I see
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
April 25 2013 21:49 GMT
#295
"Well if you guys would let me raise my prize pool, I'd give you more of it!"

-Priceless
shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
April 25 2013 23:46 GMT
#296
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.



First it is not *two continents* but 1... look at an olympic flag and count the rings...

Second, the 'Francophone' tournament seems not to be contry-based but language based... their qualification bracket include a player that is playing under the taiwanese flag... so presumably the only criteria is to speak frnech, which cover quite a few people, in all 5 continents... but nevertheless that is irrelevant: point to WCS should not be awarded to closed tournament. they should be awarded on merit in an open, top-level competition.

As for DeMuslim : He is a British citizen isn't he ? and there are many British Territories in the region covered by the tournament rules, including for instance the Falklands Island... so DeMuslim de facto meet the citizenship requirement since he hold a citizenship of one of the territories covered.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 23:49:13
April 25 2013 23:49 GMT
#297
Yay, looking forward to this.
Thanks Genna (and TB~)!
:D
T P Z sagi
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 25 2013 23:49 GMT
#298
On April 26 2013 08:46 shmget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.



First it is not *two continents* but 1... look at an olympic flag and count the rings...

Second, the 'Francophone' tournament seems not to be contry-based but language based... their qualification bracket include a player that is playing under the taiwanese flag... so presumably the only criteria is to speak frnech, which cover quite a few people, in all 5 continents... but nevertheless that is irrelevant: point to WCS should not be awarded to closed tournament. they should be awarded on merit in an open, top-level competition.

As for DeMuslim : He is a British citizen isn't he ? and there are many British Territories in the region covered by the tournament rules, including for instance the Falklands Island... so DeMuslim de facto meet the citizenship requirement since he hold a citizenship of one of the territories covered.


That is a ridiculous stretch. I wish people would stop trying to sneak Koreans/British players into the tournament and just accept that there will for once, be one tournament that's actually focussed on players originating from a specific place.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
April 25 2013 23:51 GMT
#299
On April 25 2013 10:03 Intricacy wrote:
TB was good enough to reach out prior to our announcement I believe. I have a lot of remorse over Demu not being able to participate in my event, but that's not to say I won't eventually hold something like this for EU-only players. There are also some NA players who do not actually play on the NA ladder, like HuK... although he says he will be back on NA ladder soon.

Wish I could save all of esports, but I'm afraid I have to take these things one at a time....




Genna Bain - Sick Nerd Baller!
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 25 2013 23:55 GMT
#300
On April 26 2013 08:46 shmget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 22:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

While you have a point, keep in mind the amount of points awarded is easily regulated, in that they could just give out a very small, but still somewhat significant amount. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration on your part to compare a tournament that allows players from *two continents* to a tournament that only allows the citizens of one country.



First it is not *two continents* but 1... look at an olympic flag and count the rings...

Second, the 'Francophone' tournament seems not to be contry-based but language based... their qualification bracket include a player that is playing under the taiwanese flag... so presumably the only criteria is to speak frnech, which cover quite a few people, in all 5 continents... but nevertheless that is irrelevant: point to WCS should not be awarded to closed tournament. they should be awarded on merit in an open, top-level competition.

As for DeMuslim : He is a British citizen isn't he ? and there are many British Territories in the region covered by the tournament rules, including for instance the Falklands Island... so DeMuslim de facto meet the citizenship requirement since he hold a citizenship of one of the territories covered.


If DeMu were born in one of the British territories that was part of the Americas a case might be had for him being in the tournament but since he's from the British mainland it's quite a big stretch to have him meet the requirements
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