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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Also ur show is gud. | ||
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Littlesheep
Canada217 Posts
The panel is great, Artosis/Catz/Idra are some of the most interesting personalities in SC2. With a rotating 4th guest is really a great set up. I'm most interested in the show when tactics/strategies are being discussed, also balance issues. I'm least interested when they talk about predictions and upcoming tournaments, these are things where almost everyones input is equal and I feel like it's boring/waste of the panels time. Overall it's a great show, won't miss it. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On August 15 2013 13:52 Wingblade wrote: I really like what Xeno said about WCS not actually getting the best players in WCS Season finals and such even tho Blizzard had been stating that was their goal. You get 5 or 6 absolute top tier Code S players, a few token foreigners, and some Code A/Code B rejects who moved for money. WCS Korea is still the highest level of competition for SC2, and the current system punishes low tier players in all the region. Honestly, as long as Korea has such a stranglehold on the best players, you will never have these global WCS events surpassing it. Region lock the whole thing and try to build up each scene so that they can actually start to build stronger players besides the occasional outlier player. So now that Season 2 finals has been concluded do we still believe this statement? Neither Maru (WCS KR Champion) or Innovation (WCS Season 1 Champion) made it out of their groups inspite of being the only players from KR region. Rain (WCS KR Runner-up) did not manage to beat anyone from WCS NA, and did by no means stomp Welmu. While WCS EU is obviously the weakest region i doubt that the difference between top 5 WCS NA and top 5 WCS KR is as big as Xeno made it out to be. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3672 Posts
On August 26 2013 19:37 Prog455 wrote: So now that Season 2 finals has been concluded do we still believe this statement? Neither Maru (WCS KR Champion) or Innovation (WCS Season 1 Champion) made it out of their groups inspite of being the only players from KR region. Rain (WCS KR Runner-up) did not manage to beat anyone from WCS NA, and did by no means stomp Welmu. While WCS EU is obviously the weakest region i doubt that the difference between top 5 WCS NA and top 5 WCS KR is as big as Xeno made it out to be. And you honestly take 16 players who played 1 weekend tournament as the sickest example to prove anything? Rain looked like complete and utter shit that entire weekend, and I am probably one of the biggest rain fanboys on the planet, that was not the rain that usually shows up. Maru won his osl on the back of preparation, skill wise he was worse than pretty much anyone he faced starting from the ro8, and bogus lost 0-2 to naniwa which probably means he didn't bring his a game either. You also cut out the fact that someone from wcs kr raped someone from na in the finals (as sad as I am to say so). WCS season 1 finals had a top 4 with 3/4 korea and that one guy who won the most korean individual leagues and moved to eu to promote sponsors. I mean obv some of the na koreans could be code s koreans (like jaedong, polt, taeja, hero etc.) and have proven to be so in the past, but you can't deny the fact that the 16 players making up your average gsl/osl ro16 should be stronger than what makes up the ro16 at the season finals, and imo that is a fundermental problem. I mean just imagine you'd have somebody who only plays in korea, is maybe top 5 at his race in the hole world, and only gets ro8s all year long, never gets to a season finals. That guy probably won't be at blizzcon even though he should be better than someone who did ok at wcs and got in through doing well at tier1/2 tournaments. I think the system is still fundamentally flawed, it doesn't give you the best players of each region and it doesn't give you the best players in the world. What it gives you is really good people qualifying through qualifiers with varying level of difficulty, dunno what you'd want with that though. ofc wcs na/eu isn't 100% code b koreans who couldn't do shit otherwise, anyone actually 100% saying and meaning that is pretty dumb (and i doubt xeno said exactly that and meant it in that way), most of them just go there because it's way easier and their teams have the money, doesn't really change the fact that 32/32 koreans usually is harder than 16/32 or 4/32 koreans tournament. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On August 26 2013 19:37 Prog455 wrote: So now that Season 2 finals has been concluded do we still believe this statement? Neither Maru (WCS KR Champion) or Innovation (WCS Season 1 Champion) made it out of their groups inspite of being the only players from KR region. Rain (WCS KR Runner-up) did not manage to beat anyone from WCS NA, and did by no means stomp Welmu. While WCS EU is obviously the weakest region i doubt that the difference between top 5 WCS NA and top 5 WCS KR is as big as Xeno made it out to be. Yep I sure do. Despite everything that you said, a player from WCS KR won, and there were 2 of them in the top four. Bomber absolutely indiscriminately slaughtered Jaedong in the finals. Rain's only game against a WCS NA player was Taeja, who is one of the few Code S players who are in WCS NA. It's safe to say that Maru's strength comes from preparing for long series, not pumping out unprepared bo3s against players he isnt familiar with. Plus, most people would agree that Scarlett has top-level ZvT, maybe even best in the world right now. WCS KR players still won handily, and look who competed against them. Players who could easily have the skills for KR, and in fact in most cases were in Code S in season one. | ||
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
Rain's only game against a WCS NA player was Taeja, This actually isn't true. He had to play Jaedong also in the Ro16, and Jaedong beat him 2-0. And then Jaedong 3-0'd First in the semifinal. (Another WCS KR player) The region was completely irrelevant in this finals. Bomber won because he was the strongest player at the time. Not because he came from WCS KR. Edit: WCS KR players still won handily, and look who competed against them I would hardly call a narrow 3-2 win over Scarlett "handily". | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On August 26 2013 19:05 Littlesheep wrote: I really like this show, I never catch it live, always on Youtube. The panel is great, Artosis/Catz/Idra are some of the most interesting personalities in SC2. With a rotating 4th guest is really a great set up. I'm most interested in the show when tactics/strategies are being discussed, also balance issues. I'm least interested when they talk about predictions and upcoming tournaments, these are things where almost everyones input is equal and I feel like it's boring/waste of the panels time. Overall it's a great show, won't miss it. Agreed. I like it when you guys talk about strategies, review the META (hence name of the show) and what is viable/not viable/OP/etc. Predictions and talking about how tournaments are set up and people's Visa troubles etc. is less interesting. Love the show. Keep it up. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:02 Wingblade wrote: Yep I sure do. Despite everything that you said, a player from WCS KR won, and there were 2 of them in the top four. Bomber absolutely indiscriminately slaughtered Jaedong in the finals. Rain's only game against a WCS NA player was Taeja, who is one of the few Code S players who are in WCS NA. It's safe to say that Maru's strength comes from preparing for long series, not pumping out unprepared bo3s against players he isnt familiar with. Plus, most people would agree that Scarlett has top-level ZvT, maybe even best in the world right now. WCS KR players still won handily, and look who competed against them. Players who could easily have the skills for KR, and in fact in most cases were in Code S in season one. So your solution to WCS KR dominating is to region lock? How does that help ? We actually need more good Koreans in NA/EU and that would solve couple of problems : - Decrease the skill difference among regions. This would make the seasonal finals more exciting. - Increase the quality of WCS NA/EU. Right now they are barely watchable. - Koreans get more share of the prize pool and they deserve it because of the high skill level. - If guys like MKP, DRG, Leenock, Innovation... go abroad that would draw many fans. Thus we need to encourage movements between the scences, probably with the commitment of staying for one year, not the other way around. | ||
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Littlesheep
Canada217 Posts
The NA fanbase was growing a lot faster when guys like Idra/Huk were winning tournaments rather than Hero/Polt. Koreans tend to look and sound alike to an NA audience, unfortunately or fortunately, personality seems to attract more fans than skill level. A soft region lock like proof of residency might even be good, rather than owning an NA passport. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
I think having talented Koreans join the NA and EU scenes on foreign teams will help the foreign players improve and will help bridge the skill gap in between them. Already we're seeing foreigners who can compete at the highest level of play (Naniwa, Grubby, Scarlett, Welmu) and beat top-tier Koreans. If they practice together this will only continue. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On September 04 2013 06:02 DinoMight wrote: I think what is going to happen over time is that Koreans will realize they can make much more money playing for foreign teams and competing in foreign tournaments and will start to leave Korea (like Innovation) until there is a more balanced spread of talent across the three regions. Then the WCS world finals will be more representative of who the top talent is. I think having talented Koreans join the NA and EU scenes on foreign teams will help the foreign players improve and will help bridge the skill gap in between them. Already we're seeing foreigners who can compete at the highest level of play (Naniwa, Grubby, Scarlett, Welmu) and beat top-tier Koreans. If they practice together this will only continue. To be fair i would not call Grubby and Welmu competing at highest level of play (except Welmu in PvP ofc <3). And both Naniwa and Scarlett most of time practice in Korean team house and on Korean ladder. | ||
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Scones
Wales99 Posts
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
Oh, also just saw this tweet: | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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John Madden
American Samoa894 Posts
On September 07 2013 11:52 Zenbrez wrote: I really dislike Iaguzz.. hope he doesn't get on too many more shows. fuck ya cunt ..|.. iaguz is a sick lad User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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John Madden
American Samoa894 Posts
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