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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On September 07 2013 11:52 Zenbrez wrote: I really dislike Iaguzz.. hope he doesn't get on too many more shows. I kind of wish he invited more relevant pros onto the show. :S The only person I recognized was PiG, and that's only because he's shown up in many earlier episodes. It's kind of hard to accept/take seriously the balance opinions of unknown players with little to no achievements in the scene. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12363 Posts
On September 07 2013 13:21 Iodem wrote: I kind of wish he invited more relevant pros onto the show. :S The only person I recognized was PiG, and that's only because he's shown up in many earlier episodes. It's kind of hard to accept/take seriously the balance opinions of unknown players with little to no achievements in the scene. Is relevance based on who you know? Because I knew all three of them (and I'm european). | ||
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FakeDouble
Australia676 Posts
On September 07 2013 13:21 Iodem wrote: I kind of wish he invited more relevant pros onto the show. :S The only person I recognized was PiG, and that's only because he's shown up in many earlier episodes. It's kind of hard to accept/take seriously the balance opinions of unknown players with little to no achievements in the scene. Guess you didn't know, the three guests today were australian pros. Australian time zone fits well with korea's and they are relevant, they just don't get the level of exposure they deserve (as evidenced by your ignorance of them). Also one of the topics up for discussion today was the australian meta and about how they prepare for local tournaments, when there are only a small handful of them where they keep running into each other again and again, and how they have to have about 5 solid non-cheese builds vs Z since like 80% of the pros play Z, just so people can't know exactly what they're doing. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 07 2013 14:57 Zenbrez wrote: It's just his attitude. He seems childish to me, and comes off as biased as Idra when it comes to balance, and I don't like his humor at all (subjective of course). But Artosis likes him, so he'll keep bringing him when the regulars can't make it, so that's all that matters. I know people like him too, and that's great - but personally I'd rather anybody else. Huh? If anything I find him pretty unbiased. He admits that tvz is terran favoured which a lot of foreign terrans won't admit. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On September 07 2013 15:01 blade55555 wrote: Huh? If anything I find him pretty unbiased. He admits that tvz is terran favoured which a lot of foreign terrans won't admit. Yeah, this has always been my impression of iaguz as well. I also remember him saying things like "I've never thought about Sky Terran TvZ, because I figure if I'm in a situation where Sky Terran is necessary I probably made mistakes earlier with M4 and if I fixed thouse I could have just won" and "Sorry, I was spacing out because we were talking about PvP and I don't know anything about that". This kind of honesty (i.e. saying exactly what he thinks) is something I definitely appreciate. Not liking his sense of humor is clearly subjective (I personally find it quite amusing), but I think calling him biased (unless I've missed quite a bit) is pretty uninformed. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On September 07 2013 15:01 blade55555 wrote: Huh? If anything I find him pretty unbiased. He admits that tvz is terran favoured which a lot of foreign terrans won't admit. Having done the research to write a guide on 4M, TvZ is terran favored in the current metagame. Not hugely so in a problematic way... it seems better balanced than PvZ or TvP is to my eye and when I see results but it is definetly easy to see that it IS Terran favored atm. Anyone that thinks other wise should watch Zerg's trade against 12 Marine, 3 Mine, 2 Med (~1100 minerals and 275 gas) with like 20 lings 8+ banes and 5+ muta (who cares minerals and 1200+ gas) while trying to tech to Hive so they can push the Terran push back and stabilize on 4 bases. It is fair to mention that I feel like the greedy macro game of Terran is the favored part of Terran play in TvZ. If we want to talk about aggression (even with the additional rax before 3rd CC build, the 2 base timings out there, or FE into 1/1/1 into 3 base 4M builds like Polts), Zerg has the upper hand in there. We see alot more aggressive style wins in the matchup by Zergs and alot more macro greed style wins by Terran. Do I think aggressive Terran is worse than Zerg? No. Do I think greedy macro Zerg is worse than Terran? No. I think its all in the metagame and maps and will change slowly but surely till either a balance change by Blizzard or a hugely innovative shift in play is introduced at the Pro level (such as when Stephano introduced the roach max in zvp and how that changed everything). | ||
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Limniscate
United States84 Posts
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
PiG should be a regular guest instead of Xeno. | ||
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On September 07 2013 15:01 blade55555 wrote: Huh? If anything I find him pretty unbiased. He admits that tvz is terran favoured which a lot of foreign terrans won't admit. It's not Terran favored unless you at the top 1% korean Terran. Even then, we just saw innovation get dismantled by DRG. It's usually a battle of control between ling splits/marine splits with mines/banelings being equivalents. The only part of TvZ that is arguably "imbalanced" is when Terran gets their 3/3 bio and Zerg is on 2/2 with their hive not even started. But a lot of Zergs are starting to realize this...and cutting 3-4 mutas to get their hive. Other than that, it's pretty even. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1702 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 08 2013 01:32 avilo wrote: It's not Terran favored unless you at the top 1% korean Terran. Even then, we just saw innovation get dismantled by DRG. It's usually a battle of control between ling splits/marine splits with mines/banelings being equivalents. The only part of TvZ that is arguably "imbalanced" is when Terran gets their 3/3 bio and Zerg is on 2/2 with their hive not even started. But a lot of Zergs are starting to realize this...and cutting 3-4 mutas to get their hive. Other than that, it's pretty even. It's quite the other way around! A lot of zergs have given up on the idea on transitioning into Hive tech or 3-3 upgrades and instead try to play 200/200 ling/bling/mass muta with 2-2 for 25mins. Like DRG, Sleep, Scarlett'. All of them transition/upgrade late or not at all and therefore tend to survive the inevitable 3-3 vs 2-2 battle through raw power, while in games like JD vs Polt or JD vs Bomber or all of the earlier macro ZvTs we have seen in the last seasons against INnoVation (Life, Roro, Symbol) the Zergs tried to go for Hive play and died in the transition. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
Moonglade aside, they don't appear in international tournaments that often or at all, and when they do, they don't get that far to live from the prize pool, nor from the added value to their sponsors. Please don't take this as a jibe, I was just wondering what incentive a sponsor could have to give them like a thousand dollars a month. | ||
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Jawra
Sweden146 Posts
Xeno is somewhat too biased and childish, he also goes on rants about silly things Iaguz I approve of being on now and then but not every episode. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1702 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On September 08 2013 03:11 SixStrings wrote: I don't understand how these Australian pros make a living via SC2. Moonglade aside, they don't appear in international tournaments that often or at all, and when they do, they don't get that far to live from the prize pool, nor from the added value to their sponsors. Please don't take this as a jibe, I was just wondering what incentive a sponsor could have to give them like a thousand dollars a month. For the most part we don't. None of us are salaried, we either live at parents home or have proper jobs (mostly study, Rossi goes to uni as do most others). The word progamer, well, the pro part anyway, I do not think is appropriate because we don't really make any money and most of us don't play full time. PiG is an exception, he lives away from home and I dunno how he works his finances out. I know he coaches a lot and that's really useful but I doubt he can survive just off that. Maybe he can? I don't know and I'd rather not pry that's his business. So why the fuck do we play starcraft? We do it because maybe one day we can turn this into a proper job, and we're too stupid to know any better. At least that's why I do it. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On September 08 2013 04:01 iaguz wrote: For the most part we don't. None of us are salaried, we either live at parents home or have proper jobs (mostly study, Rossi goes to uni as do most others). The word progamer, well, the pro part anyway, I do not think is appropriate because we don't really make any money and most of us don't play full time. PiG is an exception, he lives away from home and I dunno how he works his finances out. I know he coaches a lot and that's really useful but I doubt he can survive just off that. Maybe he can? I don't know and I'd rather not pry that's his business. So why the fuck do we play starcraft? We do it because maybe one day we can turn this into a proper job, and we're too stupid to know any better. At least that's why I do it. Wow, that's some real "Pursuit of Happyness" shit right here. Mad props for you guys. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 08 2013 04:01 iaguz wrote: For the most part we don't. None of us are salaried, we either live at parents home or have proper jobs (mostly study, Rossi goes to uni as do most others). The word progamer, well, the pro part anyway, I do not think is appropriate because we don't really make any money and most of us don't play full time. PiG is an exception, he lives away from home and I dunno how he works his finances out. I know he coaches a lot and that's really useful but I doubt he can survive just off that. Maybe he can? I don't know and I'd rather not pry that's his business. So why the fuck do we play starcraft? We do it because maybe one day we can turn this into a proper job, and we're too stupid to know any better. At least that's why I do it. So now we know where passion is :D | ||
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