Ideally, I'd just like a second qualifier to be run, with the players already qualified being seeded into the winner's finals. It's not exactly fair to them, but they're still only one bo3 away from re-qualifying, and they have two chances at that.
Since I don't think that will happen, I'd like to at least see the Chinese players seeded into the challenger division. Jim apparently made it to #1 GM on the KR ladder at one point. If he isn't even in the challenger division, then I'm done with WCS NA.
The 24 invites were split between 16 americas players and 8 invites from elsewhere. I haven't seen anyone mention how unfair that is given only 3 regions worldwide. It should have been 24 non korean and eu invites. Including chinese players. If you want to play outside your own region thats fine but no invite. Chiba has no region so whichever they choose they should be able to be invited. The fact comm wasnt invited was a disgrace. Mlg have still not been at all transparent about their invite process. They have still not said how they will make this right.
What should have happened: - Comm, as the Chinese champion, invited in the premier league as one of the 8 non-Americans. - The other top Chinese players seeded into the qualifier, like the other notable participants.
What has to happen: - Have the Comm - Apocalypse match played for the final spot in the premier league. - Have the excluded Chinese players given spots in the upcomming "code a" qualifier.
Fantastic thread that had a lot of potential for real discussion instead of pointless bashing of MLG. Instead it is filled with a handful of incredibly racist and ill-informed people having irrelevant arguments.
Anyway, it seems that a great many problems could have been solved if MLG simply had a priority system in place that gave qualifier positions to players based on merit rather than on a 'first come, first server' basis. For example players with tournament results, followed by players on well established teams, followed by grandmaster level players and so on. This would have guaranteed spots to most of the Chinese players who ended up missing out, and avoided the fiasco involving Comm playing on another player's account.
I'll be very interested to see if MLG runs their Challenger bracket qualifier in the same way, or what they change, if anything
On April 24 2013 22:19 HystericaLaughter wrote: Fantastic thread that had a lot of potential for real discussion instead of pointless bashing of MLG. Instead it is filled with a handful of incredibly racist and ill-informed people having irrelevant arguments.
Anyway, it seems that a great many problems could have been solved if MLG simply had a priority system in place that gave qualifier positions to players based on merit rather than on a 'first come, first server' basis. For example players with tournament results, followed by players on well established teams, followed by grandmaster level players and so on. This would have guaranteed spots to most of the Chinese players who ended up missing out, and avoided the fiasco involving Comm playing on another player's account.
I'll be very interested to see if MLG runs their Challenger bracket qualifier in the same way, or what they change, if anything
They did have this, they just didn't include Chinese players among the seeded players. I think RootLeiYa was also left out.
On April 24 2013 22:19 HystericaLaughter wrote: Fantastic thread that had a lot of potential for real discussion instead of pointless bashing of MLG. Instead it is filled with a handful of incredibly racist and ill-informed people having irrelevant arguments.
Anyway, it seems that a great many problems could have been solved if MLG simply had a priority system in place that gave qualifier positions to players based on merit rather than on a 'first come, first server' basis. For example players with tournament results, followed by players on well established teams, followed by grandmaster level players and so on. This would have guaranteed spots to most of the Chinese players who ended up missing out, and avoided the fiasco involving Comm playing on another player's account.
I'll be very interested to see if MLG runs their Challenger bracket qualifier in the same way, or what they change, if anything
They did have this, they just didn't include Chinese players among the seeded players. I think RootLeiYa was also left out.
They only seeded 64(?) players in a 512 player qualifier. The remaining 448 spots were awarded on a first come, first serve basis. I'm saying they should have seeded everyone.
looks more like politics then esports cause china stays behind north korea they(USA) dont allow china players play on NA qualifier this is what looks like this to me....... ps: bad eng excuse my thx
On April 24 2013 23:08 CamoPillbox wrote: looks more like politics then esports cause china stays behind north korea they(USA) dont allow china players play on NA qualifier this is what looks like this to me....... ps: bad eng excuse my thx
You are way over your head. No one other than MLG is preventing them from playing in WCS NA.
On April 24 2013 23:08 CamoPillbox wrote: looks more like politics then esports cause china stays behind north korea they(USA) dont allow china players play on NA qualifier this is what looks like this to me....... ps: bad eng excuse my thx
This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. Just stop posts like this. There is no agenda here, no politics, just very poor decision making by MLG.
Also stop referring to the North America WCS as the United States of America WCS.
On April 24 2013 23:12 digmouse wrote: No one other than MLG is preventing them from playing in WCS NA.
Really, I'm still amazed that basically Asia got overlooked for WCS in general with the exception of Korea. There are so many talented players that around that an Asian regional tournament should have been held especially after the foundation work the last WCS did in the Region and especially in China.
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
so MLG may have mismanaged how people get to sign up for the tournament, they've apologized for that, however this guy still used someone else's account to compete; how is ok to do, even if he is the best player in china?
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
He obviously meant known cheater, English is not his first language. Armstrong would not have been allowed to compete after he was proven to be a cheater. He would have been suspended at least.
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
He obviously meant known cheater, English is not his first language. Armstrong would not have been allowed to compete after he was proven to be a cheater. He would have been suspended in the least.
note: tour de france isn't even a knockout tournament. BAD example.
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
He obviously meant known cheater, English is not his first language. Armstrong would not have been allowed to compete after he was proven to be a cheater. He would have been suspended in the least.
note: tour de france isn't even a knockout tournament. BAD example.
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
He obviously meant known cheater, English is not his first language. Armstrong would not have been allowed to compete after he was proven to be a cheater. He would have been suspended in the least.
note: tour de france isn't even a knockout tournament. BAD example.
I know. It's not mine.
sorry, i know. just didn't want to feed the troll. naruto never wanted to redo the whole qualifier, he's just putting words into his mouth.
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
He obviously meant known cheater, English is not his first language. Armstrong would not have been allowed to compete after he was proven to be a cheater. He would have been suspended in the least.
note: tour de france isn't even a knockout tournament. BAD example.
I know. It's not mine.
sorry, i know. just didn't want to feed the troll. naruto never wanted to redo the whole qualifier, he's just putting words into his mouth.
Haha, yeah, I guess you can leave the feeding to me.
On April 24 2013 18:07 Type|NarutO wrote:]As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void.
No, we need to get this straight. Writing "you attack the poster" is attacking a poster.
"You can stand your point, but your 'shit happens' just shows how clueless you are" is attacking a poster.
"It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me" is attacking a poster.
That's you. Not me.
Supposedly I "cannot put one scratch on the arguments" you made. Let's go back.
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't.
And then there's... Actually, I've been warned to not be aggressive in making my points so I'm not going to do the complete doom drop. I won't continue this demolition of your ignorant claim that cheats simply aren't allowed. (But feel free to look up articles on the problems contest organizers have had in professional Scrabble and pumpkin growing. You might be surprised.)
The point is made. I win. You lose. You need to stop attacking me. You need to stop saying I do not counter your arguments.
Cheating is EVERYWHERE. It does tarnish results but it doesn't void the entire competition. MLG tried to catch the hacker and then when they didn't get the proof they needed they DQed him on a technicality of account sharing, the same one that eliminated Comm. It's a lousy situation, but shit happens.
Still, I'll give you the last word.
What I would like is to read your letter to Crank and Oz and Alicia and the rest (don't want to name everyone, spoilers!) telling them all the wins they earned this past weekend are invalid and no longer count and they wasted their time because you have declared the entire tournament void and invalid.
And let's be clear. This isn't an invitation to play fantasy MLG CEO and you can say "Okay you guys qualified and we are going to hold another tournament for everyone else." Anyone can do that just like anyone can be fantasy Blizzard CEO and say "Hey NASL is going to run this from now on" or "We are opening a China/SEA region right now" or any number of other magical wishes.
You want to make the tournament void. Let's hear you justify taking away the wins from the players who qualified and we can run a poll to see how convincing your preferred solution is.
He obviously meant known cheater, English is not his first language. Armstrong would not have been allowed to compete after he was proven to be a cheater. He would have been suspended in the least.
note: tour de france isn't even a knockout tournament. BAD example.
I know. It's not mine.
sorry, i know. just didn't want to feed the troll. naruto never wanted to redo the whole qualifier, he's just putting words into his mouth.
He says it's invalid and void, perhaps he and you still don't understand the meaning of the words then. The word you are looking for is tarnished.
EPT
