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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:23 fleeze wrote: at least they tried? wtf... every western e-sports organisation could host a better qualifier than the mess MLG did. Code A qualifiers have been like this since the start of sc2. there is NO need to change it. stop shifting blame to WCS KR.... it's useless. I'm not shifting blame. I'm probing to see how irrational the positions of some of the posters are. What do you mean there is no need to change it? It would de facto be a better system as it would allow all asian players to have good pings and wouldn't need to travel far if they qualify. Just saying that it has been like that and that there is "no need" to change it a completely meaningless statement. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On April 24 2013 16:58 Type|NarutO wrote: Do you see a known professional that cheats being allowed in another sort of tournament anywhere? Because I don't. In my early days of internet forum posting, this sort of comment was my absolute favorite. The debate equivalent of winning the lottery. I would that statement and drop about thirty examples on you from the biggest sports in the world to things like Scrabble and tidleywinks to stuff you don't normally even think of like pumpkin growing contests and stamp collecting. Of course it was always for my own amusement because I knew from the start I wouldn't change anyone's mind just like I know I won't change your mind. Alas here and now I'll just score the point and move on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National_Football_League_videotaping_controversy Counterargument on your side? I don't see any. "There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see." -someone famous I'm sure | ||
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jalen
Australia222 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:19 Kim Hyuna wrote: I think there's something call google translate and something call copy and paste. Keep your trolling else where. the two diferent word never be the same, since they can type as "cheng" in pinyin, Google translate never translate word pronouces same but have diferent meanings. | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:26 syllogism wrote: I'm not shifting blame. I'm probing to see how irrational the positions of some of the posters are. What do you mean there is no need to change it? It would de facto be a better system as it would allow all asian players to have good pings and wouldn't need to travel far if they qualify. Just saying that it has been like that and that there is "no need" to change it a completely meaningless statement. how is it fair to let all asian play on KR when even the koreans are trying to avoid the KR qualifier whenever possible? if you take the Code A qualifier from korea i guess it would have a big negative impact on sc2 in korea, too. so why do such a dumb thing? a separate WCS asian qualifier would be the best solution for sure, there is no doubt here. but we have the WCS defined as KR, EU and NA. where EU includes africa and middle east and NA includes oceania and rest of asia because KR is offline. this is blizzards fault yes, but you can't ignore that given this situation the NA qualifier has to be treated as the asian qualifier. there is no point arguing this. | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:32 jalen wrote: the two diferent word never be the same, since they can type as "cheng" in pinyin, Google translate never translate word pronouces same but have diferent meanings. learn to google translate. probably you should try it out and feedback here since you already claimed wiki is pure references. i'm not surprised anyway. speaking of education. i guess you don't even have basic knowledge. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:30 dvorakftw wrote: In my early days of internet forum posting, this sort of comment was my absolute favorite. The debate equivalent of winning the lottery. I would that statement and drop about thirty examples on you from the biggest sports in the world to things like Scrabble and tidleywinks to stuff you don't normally even think of like pumpkin growing contests and stamp collecting. Of course it was always for my own amusement because I knew from the start I wouldn't change anyone's mind just like I know I won't change your mind. Alas here and now I'll just score the point and move on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National_Football_League_videotaping_controversy "There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see." -someone famous I'm sure You pick the posts you like, right? I mean its a sign of you being a good person in speech and discussion, because no one would attack an argument they cannot beat. I brought up valid points why this qualifier is void, but still cannot be re-played. All you had to say against it was 'shit happens'. As long as you cannot bring an argument as to why this qualifier should be seen as valid, I see no use in argueing with you. I took time and posted with effort. I did never blindly bash MLG not was I insulting towards anyone here. So if you would take your criticism and generalization out of it, I'd gladly appreciate it. You totally miss the point, I'm not saying mistakes cannot happen. I'm not saying MLG should burn. I'm saying that we as a community cannot go silent on the issue. Mistakes like that may in fact not happen in professional eSports and especially not to a company as big as MLG. While its easy to say, I can understand from a company's point that shit does in fact happen (as you said) but that seriously doesn't mean that an apology that leaves the users that are not informed about the issue will be uninformed after the apology which in itself means: The apology doesn't relate to the most important points. The apology is nothing but public relation empty words. It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:15 fleeze wrote: so all you are basically saying is: there is a problem, but let's just ignore it and move on. i know some of these chinese pro gamers since their WC3 days and it saddens me that they have no choice but to quit pro gaming because an organisation fails at hosting a simple, fair online tournament. Because the only two options available to everyone is silent acquiesce or DESTROY MLG AND SUNDANCE'S SOLID GOLD LAMBORGHINI. And anyone who has to quit because they didn't qualify in this tournament didn't have much of a future in professional gaming in the first place. But hey if we want to engage in melodramatic pathos then I want to make an appeal to you on behalf of the hundreds of millions of Chinese and the billions of Indians, Africans, Muslims, general poor people, and miscellaneous others who would enjoy just playing a video game in the first place let alone consider the possibility of making a living doing it. Where are the tournaments for them? I already can't sleep because of insomnia and now I have to deal with this! | ||
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titan55
United States227 Posts
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:38 dvorakftw wrote: Because the only two options available to everyone is silent acquiesce or DESTROY MLG AND SUNDANCE'S SOLID GOLD LAMBORGHINI. And anyone who has to quit because they didn't qualify in this tournament didn't have much of a future in professional gaming in the first place. But hey if we want to engage in melodramatic pathos then I want to make an appeal to you on behalf of the hundreds of millions of Chinese and the billions of Indians, Africans, Muslims, general poor people, and miscellaneous others who would enjoy just playing a video game in the first place let alone consider the possibility of making a living doing it. Where are the tournaments for them? I already can't sleep because of insomnia and now I have to deal with this! did you even read the OP? if you focus on the only tournament there will be for the next month in your country and arent even allowed to play because of some fuck ups, it's easy to not see any perspective and lose hope. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:35 Type|NarutO wrote: not was I insulting towards anyone here. .... It seems you either are ignorant or simply want to disagree with me. "Everyone sees themselves as the hero." - some other famous guy While its easy to say, I can understand from a company's point that shit does in fact happen You from a few pages back I cannot see how anyone in here would first of all defend MLG Just imagine you are the MLG CEO. What are you doing to satisfy my complaints? Look where I have you saying one thing and then I quote you somewhere else saying the opposite. I demand you delete every previous post you made. They are void and invalid. Your reasons and explanations don't mean anything to me. I want you to agree with me and do what I want. Now. Oh sure you told me you are working to fix things but that's not good enough. I demand instant satisfaction. Give it to me now. Not next week. Not tomorrow. Not in five minutes. Give it to me. I will not be silent. Delete your posts. They are invalid. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:41 fleeze wrote: did you even read the OP? if you focus on the only tournament there will be for the next month in your country and arent even allowed to play because of some fuck ups, it's easy to not see any perspective and lose hope. Anyone who has to quit because they didn't qualify in this tournament didn't have much of a future in professional gaming in the first place. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:59 dvorakftw wrote: "Everyone sees themselves as the hero." - some other famous guy You from a few pages back Just imagine you are the MLG CEO. What are you doing to satisfy my complaints? Look where I have you saying one thing and then I quote you somewhere else saying the opposite. I demand you delete every previous post you made. They are void and invalid. Your reasons and explanations don't mean anything to me. I want you to agree with me and do what I want. Now. Oh sure you told me you are working to fix things but that's not good enough. I demand instant satisfaction. Give it to me now. Not next week. Not tomorrow. Not in five minutes. Give it to me. I will not be silent. Delete your posts. They are invalid. can you please stop your stupid trolling? you have no arguments and just try to attack posters personally. MLG didn't even acknowledge the problems with the chinese (again read the OP it's quite good) let alone propose some fixes. On April 24 2013 18:01 dvorakftw wrote: Anyone who has to quit because they didn't qualify in this tournament didn't have much of a future in professional gaming in the first place. you didn't even get my argument.... sigh... worthless answering to you. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:59 dvorakftw wrote: "Everyone sees themselves as the hero." - some other famous guy You from a few pages back Just imagine you are the MLG CEO. What are you doing to satisfy my complaints? Look where I have you saying one thing and then I quote you somewhere else saying the opposite. I demand you delete every previous post you made. They are void and invalid. Your reasons and explanations don't mean anything to me. I want you to agree with me and do what I want. Now. Oh sure you told me you are working to fix things but that's not good enough. I demand instant satisfaction. Give it to me now. Not next week. Not tomorrow. Not in five minutes. Give it to me. I will not be silent. Delete your posts. They are invalid. How exactly does 'I can understand from a company's point that shit does in fact happen' stands in contrary to my previous stated 'I cannot see how anyone in here would first of all defend MLG' , because in context, I do not and didn't 'bash' them for making mistakes in the first place, but how they did handle and keep handling the situation. Also I never said I demand instant satisfaction, but I gave them enough benefit of the doubt in their mistakes, I don't need empty words and they could have actually written a good apology that would adress the real issues and at least show they are aware of what actually does bother us. As previously stated, you attack the poster and weak posts from other users, you cannot put one scratch on the arguments I did lay out in front of you that would render the qualifier void. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
I have no doubt that there are masses of people who would and could play SC2 in China, nevertheless, there are 'other' issues too that pile on because of regulations and general movement of China citizens from and out of the country. For this round Blizz seem to weigh a reluctant choice to involve China in WCS. Should the situation be a bit different, im very positive China would not be overlooked. Here are hopes for future, i guess. | ||
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RoranRock
France294 Posts
seems like it's a big hit to esport in china, very ashame... In my opinion, MLG had to cancel the qualifier the day after it, and organised an other one right after it... now it's too late, so they MUST give spot to the 8 best chinese players in the challenger division, so we can see them in the premier division during the next season ! | ||
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yousaba
Sweden55 Posts
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2ezy
Australia17 Posts
Far more needs to be done in China, having lived there and seen the potential from the local players and the shear amount of Koreans studying there this fiasco is such a wasted opportunity. | ||
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