Blizzard's Potential Balance Test Map Changes - Page 43

On April 25 2013 05:49 BlackCompany wrote:


So comparing WM to a hydra is totally fine, and comparing a roach to a stalker is stupid? think about your logic again please..
i kinda agree with your corruptor thoughts though, it really should get some love. maybe making corruptors attack have a slight aoe effect? it would not buff them vs collossi or small ammounts of air units but could help to fight mass phoenix or sky toss/terran in general

On April 25 2013 07:51 convention wrote:

The original point was that foreign terrans are doing well. Those very minor cups had what other high level players in it? Also, why not include every single weekly cup, instead of a total of 5 weekly cups? My point still stands, in the tournaments so far, the only foreigners to get far have been terran. Look at the EU qualifer (completely terran dominated), the NA qualifier which had only foreign terrans getting far, and so far the EU WCS (small amount of games) has had terrans doing very well.

On April 23 2013 09:35 avilo wrote:
Make oracles faster? Raises an eyebrow. Then my fists. Then falls to my knees and prays to the gods this never, ever happens.

On April 25 2013 12:48 Valikyr wrote:

Yea because oracles are so useful at the moment if scouted.

On April 25 2013 12:48 Valikyr wrote:

Yea because oracles are so useful at the moment if scouted.

On April 25 2013 12:48 Valikyr wrote:

Yea because oracles are so useful at the moment if scouted.

On April 25 2013 15:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:


That's not a bad thing. Mutas and terran drops do the same thing all game until protoss is perfectly set up to defend. It shouldn't be that hard to get static defense set up at expansions as zerg. Both phoenixes and oracles are rather bad against spores. If protoss still manages to use these units really well and pick off a few drones all game long that means that they're playing well and should get the drone kills. 150/150 for an oracle is expensive you know.

On April 25 2013 14:40 avilo wrote:


You can still kill SCVS. If you think because an oracle is scouted or just because there's a missile turret that the unit is useless than you're not at the level of play where it matters.

You can still harrass even if there's a turret or marines. It's just like a banshee - just because there's a cannon doesn't mean your cloak banshee is suddenly useless. You can kill workers on the fringe of detection range, and get map control + fear factor.

On April 25 2013 08:10 scypio wrote:


I list the weekly cups because I like them. They prove that when the top zergs play they win. I think that 5 weeklies won in under 4 weeks is good enough.

And the terrans - yes, they are doing well! They need to do well to put an end to the zerg era. The Code S numbers look faily good for Ro16 (in fact, zergs are most represented) so it's the foreigner top that is interesting.

Now if you take a look at the aligulac stats you will see 8 terrans, 14 tosses and 18 zergs in the top 40. This means we are nowhere near having a balanced distribution there.

The fact is that there are few terran players bringing in decent results. Lucifron, Kas, Happy, DeMuslim and Strelok somehow struggled through WoL and managed to mark their presence in the scene. Daishy, Bunny and maybe Krass are three up-and-commers with Heromarine kinda hanging around since forever. And that's it.

To make place for these guys some of the zergs need to go down - and I can't imagine them doing it without QQ. They will continue to cry their eyes out while the skilled Z's will continue to win stuff - but not win everything for a change.

On April 25 2013 16:36 convention wrote:
My only point here is still the same, we are seeing the same thing as the "lings of liberty" era, where the people that are performing well on the foreigner side are the terrans. I don't think terrans need to do well to put an end of the zerg era. I think every race should be even. I think the introduction of turbo-vacs and mines made terran require less skill in the mid-game, which now means that the non-code S/A pros will have an easier time with terran, at least it is currently looking that way.

P.S. I play random (not zerg), but I find myself always cheering for protoss players. Mostly because they are the most screwed over race at the pro level. So if, like you say, terran *should* dominate for a bit to even out from the zerg era, then when does protoss get to dominate? Probably never, just like in WoL, they will be at the bottom. But everyone will complain about how OP colossi/skytoss/Forcefields are even when protoss aren't really winning or doing well in any tournament.

On April 25 2013 17:23 scypio wrote:


This is by no means the same as the lings of liberty. If you look at the top level (Code S Ro32) zergs seem to be fine. If you look at the weekly cups - zerg can perform well in them in win.

You look at the matches where the very top of terran foreign scene plays vs second- or thrid-grade Z's. This is what I mean by Bly and Slivko - no discrespect here, they are very good. Still, I do not think that they should easily take series vs the very best foreign terrans.

Take yesterdays WCS: Bly had a fighting chance vs Happy (#2 foreign T). In fact, he was ahead in his series. I can name at least a couple foreign zergs who are much better than Bly and should be able to preform way, way better. I feel that this is just about right: someone who is propably 7th-10th best zerg in EU shouldn't be favored vs second best Terran. The top zergs should be evenly matched.

Now the question is: are they evenly matched? My gut, the weekly cups won by top zergs and KR Code-S results tell my that they are.

To draw conclusions we need to get more games where top zergs, top terrans and top tosses go head to head. We didn't have that many of them, instead zergs point to games featuring good zergs vs top terrans. That does not seem reasonable.



I'm worried about the toss too, strangely enough it is the zergs who QQ all the time. At least Sase tore through his WCS so that's heartwarming

On April 25 2013 16:37 BerthaG wrote:
Change to make : make mine stupid: I explain: when you see a mine borrow on your mineral line you can let half mining and put one prob over the mine, you can think ok the mine will target the closest.... Wrong the mine will ignore your closest prob and shoot for maximum damage WTF ?

On April 24 2013 09:15 Dreamer.T wrote:
Lol, a buff to the oracle would mean terrans will be staying in their base forever while the toss does what ever he wants.

On April 25 2013 17:59 Sissors wrote:

I am 99% sure this is just not true. When the mine burrows it will pick a target. I am fairly certain that is the closest target which has the highest priority of the targets in its range (so for example unburrowed mines or idle workers have lower priority than a marine), and isn't already targeted by another widow mine.

So what happened probably in your case was that it already picked a target before you put one probe near as target practise, and just shot its initial target. But it won't calculate which unit it should attack to do max damage afaik.