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MLG is teabagging all of us, and some of you are congratulating them for it. Stop it! There are a lot of pro's lives who are being affected by this, not to mention stagnation of esports in general when this sort of thing goes on.
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NASL should have been the one running the NA WCS.
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On April 22 2013 02:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:22 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. Yes, there is too much drama and yes, some of these points are exaggerated or overly critical. But not all of them. I can't see any logical approach to argue that not allowing community streams despite having just one official stream is just fine. It is not. Yesterday could have had twice the viewer numbers if additional games had been covered by additional streams. It would have been better for the community, better for esports, better for the players, better for the casters. This was/is a big misstep by Blizzard. The more people complain about it, the better. Complaining is fine, but there is a difference between: "Man those games last night were fun. It would awesome if MLG had more of them on stream. Right Sundance? Can we make that happen?" and: "MLG is a disgrace. ELS had 15 streams on and everyone got to play(no facts to back that up, so it must be true). I know that MLG is a money hungry monopoly and only wanted one stream, but they should have let anyone who wanted to cast the matchs. Outraged, disappointed, and disgusted with MLG. They have lost my money for this(forgetting that the stream is free)" One I have no problem with. The other I will call what it is: "Internet Outrage" - the most dishonest form of outrage.
Frame it how u want.. facts stays the same.... alot of peeps want to watch there favorites or want to follow more matches then 1....
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add 7) stream lag like shit and no other to watch xD
On April 22 2013 03:00 Inimic wrote:
MLG is teabagging all of us, and some of you are congratulating them for it. Stop it! There are a lot of pro's lives who are being affected by this, not to mention stagnation of esports in general when this sort of thing goes on.
jaeh beacuse
1.) STUDIO; the NASL studio looks prof, the mlg stuff looks ... like i did it xD
2.) CASTERS; i like axlav BUT ... the caster duo is so much worse then rotterdam bitter in casting / fun having etc, it looks like a gamer (axlav) who isnt rly best at casting and a not that high caster (axeltoss) together, they decent no question but not worldclass
3.) also i dont know ... i get bored from mlg casts so fast xD nasl does so much fun stuff around always
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I agree with everything the OP said. The only excuse they have is that this tournament was designed by Blizzard just a few months ago, so they probably lacked the time to make everything work as it should. I am confident the next season's qualifiers will improve in each and every aspect.
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On April 22 2013 03:01 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:58 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 02:22 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. Yes, there is too much drama and yes, some of these points are exaggerated or overly critical. But not all of them. I can't see any logical approach to argue that not allowing community streams despite having just one official stream is just fine. It is not. Yesterday could have had twice the viewer numbers if additional games had been covered by additional streams. It would have been better for the community, better for esports, better for the players, better for the casters. This was/is a big misstep by Blizzard. The more people complain about it, the better. Complaining is fine, but there is a difference between: "Man those games last night were fun. It would awesome if MLG had more of them on stream. Right Sundance? Can we make that happen?" and: "MLG is a disgrace. ELS had 15 streams on and everyone got to play(no facts to back that up, so it must be true). I know that MLG is a money hungry monopoly and only wanted one stream, but they should have let anyone who wanted to cast the matchs. Outraged, disappointed, and disgusted with MLG. They have lost my money for this(forgetting that the stream is free)" One I have no problem with. The other I will call what it is: "Internet Outrage" - the most dishonest form of outrage. Frame it how u want.. facts stays the same.... alot of peeps want to watch there favorites or want to follow more matches then 1....
Ok, well there will be more qualifiers in a few months because season 1 ends in June. Hopefully they will hear you have have more streams then. It is, in fact, possible to ask nicely for things and not sound like an unreasonable and entitled.
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On April 22 2013 03:02 Ender985 wrote:
I agree with everything the OP said. The only excuse they have is that this tournament was designed by Blizzard just a few months ago, so they probably lacked the time to make everything work as it should. I am confident the next season's qualifiers will improve in each and every aspect.
few month ago ...
well that should be enough tio make atleast a decent decision, and if you not HAVE enough manpower ... BE MAN and allow others to cast  you not need allow NASL or a concurent like ESL also not wanted but some rnd streams in other languages ... doesnt hurt anyone
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Only one stream and it's MLG
But at least they have nice view from window.
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On April 22 2013 03:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 03:01 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 02:58 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 02:22 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. Yes, there is too much drama and yes, some of these points are exaggerated or overly critical. But not all of them. I can't see any logical approach to argue that not allowing community streams despite having just one official stream is just fine. It is not. Yesterday could have had twice the viewer numbers if additional games had been covered by additional streams. It would have been better for the community, better for esports, better for the players, better for the casters. This was/is a big misstep by Blizzard. The more people complain about it, the better. Complaining is fine, but there is a difference between: "Man those games last night were fun. It would awesome if MLG had more of them on stream. Right Sundance? Can we make that happen?" and: "MLG is a disgrace. ELS had 15 streams on and everyone got to play(no facts to back that up, so it must be true). I know that MLG is a money hungry monopoly and only wanted one stream, but they should have let anyone who wanted to cast the matchs. Outraged, disappointed, and disgusted with MLG. They have lost my money for this(forgetting that the stream is free)" One I have no problem with. The other I will call what it is: "Internet Outrage" - the most dishonest form of outrage. Frame it how u want.. facts stays the same.... alot of peeps want to watch there favorites or want to follow more matches then 1.... Ok, well there will be more qualifiers in a few months because season 1 ends in June. Hopefully they will hear you have have more streams then. It is, in fact, possible to ask nicely for things and not sound like an unreasonable and entitled.
Dude. I get your angle, I really do. But you can't expect people to remain civil and understanding of MLG when they manage to fuck up in so many different ways.
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On April 22 2013 03:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 03:01 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 02:58 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 02:22 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. Yes, there is too much drama and yes, some of these points are exaggerated or overly critical. But not all of them. I can't see any logical approach to argue that not allowing community streams despite having just one official stream is just fine. It is not. Yesterday could have had twice the viewer numbers if additional games had been covered by additional streams. It would have been better for the community, better for esports, better for the players, better for the casters. This was/is a big misstep by Blizzard. The more people complain about it, the better. Complaining is fine, but there is a difference between: "Man those games last night were fun. It would awesome if MLG had more of them on stream. Right Sundance? Can we make that happen?" and: "MLG is a disgrace. ELS had 15 streams on and everyone got to play(no facts to back that up, so it must be true). I know that MLG is a money hungry monopoly and only wanted one stream, but they should have let anyone who wanted to cast the matchs. Outraged, disappointed, and disgusted with MLG. They have lost my money for this(forgetting that the stream is free)" One I have no problem with. The other I will call what it is: "Internet Outrage" - the most dishonest form of outrage. Frame it how u want.. facts stays the same.... alot of peeps want to watch there favorites or want to follow more matches then 1.... Ok, well there will be more qualifiers in a few months because season 1 ends in June. Hopefully they will hear you have have more streams then. It is, in fact, possible to ask nicely for things and not sound like an unreasonable and entitled.
I did... got banned from twitchchat because of it
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The "Lower Tier" players that entered and raced to be part of the qualifier aren't really even lower tier, its more like "why the hell are you taking spots from someone who deserves it?". I know a few diamond and plat players who decided it would be a good idea to try to play in the qualifier because they think they're good enough to do so. There should be a league cap. By league cap, I don't mean "MASTERS OR GTFO", I mean "MASTERS WITH AT LEAST 1300 POINTS OR GTFO".
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On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS.
oh ye, TB the level headed logician.
"the community caused the mass of gold leaguers because they refused a sign up fee"
like those are the only 2 options. heres 1 solution purely off the top of my head which just seems more logical. use the ladder as a qualifier for wcs. to enter wcs you must be a top 25 masters player of the region you want to enter. there, now everyone can enter because everyone can get to masters, and theres no random players with literally 0 hope of qualifying. that was hard.
all these complaints, its easy to just blame the community for losing their mind, but every single one of them has been real legitimate complaints. there hasnt been a mass hysteria which turned out to be unfounded, its just that blizzard and their chosen WCS partners have gotten so much wrong its almost unbelievable. except that its not unbeleivable because both companies have a history of not engaging with the community, and making event ruining errors.
it seems to be more and more obvious that blizzard is 0/2 in choosing the correct partners for each region, and total biscuit sticking up for them within hours of being paid to cast some games for them (the timing is truly shocking /s) does nothing to change that.
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CASTERS; i like axlav BUT ... t
I actually like Axlav a lot. Or is it axeltoss? I mean the guy who knows a lot of stuff, not the well groomed co-caster, who is a good co-caster. Their names are inconveniently similar.
Though they did refer to Jon Snow as a talented masters player... when really, had they bothered to look it up, they would have seen he was a rank 18 NA GM...
By the way, where's ROOTKane? Why haven't I been able to find him in this tourney?
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On April 22 2013 03:11 Inimic wrote:I actually like Axlav a lot. Or is it axeltoss? I mean the guy who knows a lot of stuff, not the well groomed co-caster, who is a good co-caster. Their names are inconveniently similar. Though they did refer to Jon Snow as a talented masters player... when really, had they bothered to look it up, they would have seen he was a rank 18 NA GM... By the way, where's ROOTKane? Why haven't I been able to find him in this tourney?
he is one of the players listed as xxxYOLOSWAGxxx or something in the MLG bracket. it appears he was knocked out by the Taiwanese zerg Ian
plays for this team http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Yoe_Ironmen
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On April 22 2013 03:11 Inimic wrote:I actually like Axlav a lot. Or is it axeltoss? I mean the guy who knows a lot of stuff, not the well groomed co-caster, who is a good co-caster. Their names are inconveniently similar. Though they did refer to Jon Snow as a talented masters player... when really, had they bothered to look it up, they would have seen he was a rank 18 NA GM... By the way, where's ROOTKane? Why haven't I been able to find him in this tourney?
Because he was yoloswag number 3 or something like that. That's one of the things that bothered me to be honest. Enforce a policy that makes the players to use their battlenet ID's to join. SKTFarting was just the tip of the iceberg. Trying to check the brackets with the hordes of nonsense nicknames....
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I did... got banned from twitchchat because of it
They're being pretty liberal with their bans during all of this.
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I guess that MLG is doing this to get all the viewers for themselves, unless there's something I'm missing.
Which is quite stupid because if one of tournaments' goals is to get that famous "storyline" many people seem to talk about this is exactly how you shouldn't act, since people will miss a lot of games, especially if no namers or dark horses are involved.
Also, the China players thing makes me frown - admitting that is 100% accurate, of course.
Luckly enough there are a lot of other tournaments going on at the same time, so it's not like people who want to see some SC2 are bound to starve!
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I am really surprised and somewhat shocked that it took them so long to catch Hyun, especially since he is Code S.
Dragon was caught competing in WCS EU qualifier #4 (probably the one with the most problems due to bracket issues) after his first match, giving them time to inform his opponent, who he had just defeated. Although Dragon's stream is pretty famous, he only competed in Code B this season and lost his first match 2-0.
So I'm not really sure if I should be really impressed my ESL's watchful eyes or staggered by MLG's massive oversight. Probably both.
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wait, Kane was xxxYOLOSWAGxxx ? I don't even...
yolo
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While tabbing between the ATC and the WCS AM qualifier, I noticed some cultural difference in presentation of the events.
ATC - Take Couch
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