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On April 22 2013 01:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:24 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 22 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote:
Well that's great, but they still invited everyone to season 1. There were no qualifiers at all for that season. That's irrelevant. The point is that NASL can hold online tournaments, including large bracket qualifiers, much better than MLG. On April 22 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote:
And if you are going to compare NASL season 1 and 2 to the MGL qualifiers last night, I am going to politely ask that you go back 3 years and watch those VODs and refresh your memory. What are you trying to say? That the games weren't as good? That is, once again, irrelevant to the fact that MLG have done a piss poor job. I disagree in every way. The qualifier bracket for NASL was never 1,000 players. And they ran an open qualifier where they charged people to try out so they only had professional players who cared about the event. MLG didn't do that because the community LOST THEIR MINDS when they tried to charge $20. The production for the first two seasons of NASL was piss poor too. There is a reason we make jokes about the NASL sound guy. The production for the offline events. Nobody is complaining about MLG's offline tournaments here. Ideally Blizzard should've used one company for the qualifiers and another for the LAN finals.
The production for NASL season 1 and 2, online and off, sucked. It was terrible. Last night was way better than anything I saw in season 1 or 2 of NASL.
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On April 22 2013 01:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote:
Well that's great, but they still invited everyone to season 1. There were no qualifiers at all for that season. That's irrelevant. The point is that NASL can hold online tournaments, including large bracket qualifiers, much better than MLG. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote:
And if you are going to compare NASL season 1 and 2 to the MGL qualifiers last night, I am going to politely ask that you go back 3 years and watch those VODs and refresh your memory. What are you trying to say? That the games weren't as good? That is, once again, irrelevant to the fact that MLG have done a piss poor job in terms of organizing and managing the event.
He is trying to say that NASL Season 1, which was run by a people who have had never put on an event before and didn't know what they were doing, was terribly organized and produced. Then he is comparing that event to this WCS qualifier.
Which is pretty funny. I very much doubt that even any of the NASL guys would try to argue that Season 1 was organized well, but that was a very long time ago. Comparing a season that started over two years ago, to an event that happened yesterday. They have come a loooonnng way since then. Comparing the stream from yesterday to what I've randomly turned on from NASL in the past, I would have much MUCH rather have watched NASL doing it.
Now, it's quite possible that NASL wouldn't be able to match once WCS moves to the live portion, but that's not what I was watching yesterday. I didn't enjoy the casting, it seemed jilted and confused. It felt downright awkward at first when TotalBiscuit came on, where to me it seemed like the MLG casters didn't really know what to say or do, and TotalBiscuit SEEMED like he wasn't sure if he should just jump in or not. Props to him for doing so though, once he did for the first time and after the initial awkward silence response things started to roll along nicely. I am well aware that this was a very long cast, and fatigue could easily have and probably did play a very big role here in the casting, but shouldn't they have prepared for that? NASL have two sets of casters so they can swap out and get some rest. MLG should too.
All this said, I don't even watch NASL. I've watched their studio content probably less than half a dozen times. Now a days I tend to only manage to catch the big tournaments, and review the results of everything else. Maybe this is a sign that I should though, because from what I've seen those guys put a lot themselves into what they do, and judging by what has been happening recently, probably need the support...
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Some of the complaints are valid, but a 512 man double elim bracket with bo3's is way better than 3 single elim bo1 qualifiers imo, so long as there are standards for who is allowed to register (masters and up, or entry fee)
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On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct.
I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve.
Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers.
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I dont't think you can blame them for every single one of these points. "allowing in hackers"? They probably didnt know that these people are hackers. People make mistakes, not everything can always run smoothly. You also forgot to mention what they did right.
Other than that: Good thread. Also, I think not allowing other casters/streams to cover additional games definitely deserves rank 1! This is a very bad move by blizzard and it cannot be adressed enough.
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This is wonderful. Next time I tell my friends about Starcraft and Esports, they can talk to me about the mainstage-sideshow that WCS has been so far.
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On April 22 2013 00:56 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:51 namste wrote:
One of the many reasons why NASL is much better than MLG. errrrr, let's say that after NASL holds more than 1 live event that draws anything near an MLG crowd D: that said NASL's studio content has been great =o
Well I didn't think of live event things, tbh. Just the online studio content.
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On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers.
Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues).
Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS.
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On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS.
True enough, can't really disagree on anything you said here. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet here as I'm neither part of NA scene (being from Sweden) and don't have the full insight into stuff so I'll just step aside here before I say something else silly 
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On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS.
Welcome to both the internet and the land of entitlement, a nasty combination.
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On April 22 2013 02:11 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. True enough, can't really disagree on anything you said here. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet here as I'm neither part of NA scene (being from Sweden) and don't have the full insight into stuff so I'll just step aside here before I say something else silly
Depends on what topic. I am also from EU and i am a viewer of this qualifier. I dislike how the broadcasting is done for qualifier till now, seeing what we got from ESL. We can comment as consumers there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and giving feedback.
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Yet another thing the Koreans are better at than NA/EU.
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On April 22 2013 02:14 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:11 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. True enough, can't really disagree on anything you said here. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet here as I'm neither part of NA scene (being from Sweden) and don't have the full insight into stuff so I'll just step aside here before I say something else silly Depends on what topic. I am also from EU and i am a viewer of this qualifier. I dislike how the broadcasting is done for qualifier till now, seeing what we got from ESL. We can comment as consumers there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and giving feedback.
You liked what you got from ESL?
Be honest, it's because of the player pool and not the format, right? 1000+ man single elim best of 1 is the stupidest format for players that could possible exist, let alone all the screwups in scheduling. Don't care if it's 'exciting', it's not conducive to competition.
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How sad, I thought MLG was really becoming a legit organization, let's hope they're at least gonna try to fix this shit.
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On April 22 2013 02:17 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:14 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 02:11 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. True enough, can't really disagree on anything you said here. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet here as I'm neither part of NA scene (being from Sweden) and don't have the full insight into stuff so I'll just step aside here before I say something else silly Depends on what topic. I am also from EU and i am a viewer of this qualifier. I dislike how the broadcasting is done for qualifier till now, seeing what we got from ESL. We can comment as consumers there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and giving feedback. You liked what you got from ESL? Be honest, it's because of the player pool and not the format, right? 1000+ man single elim best of 1 is the stupidest format for players that could possible exist, let alone all the screwups in scheduling. Don't care if it's 'exciting', it's not conducive to competition.
Read dude.... I said consumer... not tournament director.. i only care about what i can view and follow.. the rest i dont care bout much... readddddd....
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On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS.
Yes, there is too much drama and yes, some of these points are exaggerated or overly critical.
But not all of them. I can't see any logical approach to argue that not allowing community streams despite having just one official stream is just fine. It is not.
Yesterday could have had twice the viewer numbers if additional games had been covered by additional streams. It would have been better for the community, better for esports, better for the players, better for the casters.
This was/is a big misstep by Blizzard.
The more people complain about it, the better.
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On April 22 2013 02:17 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:14 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 02:11 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. True enough, can't really disagree on anything you said here. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet here as I'm neither part of NA scene (being from Sweden) and don't have the full insight into stuff so I'll just step aside here before I say something else silly Depends on what topic. I am also from EU and i am a viewer of this qualifier. I dislike how the broadcasting is done for qualifier till now, seeing what we got from ESL. We can comment as consumers there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and giving feedback. You liked what you got from ESL? Be honest, it's because of the player pool and not the format, right? 1000+ man single elim best of 1 is the stupidest format for players that could possible exist, let alone all the screwups in scheduling. Don't care if it's 'exciting', it's not conducive to competition.
for the millionth time, it was BO3 from RO128 onwards. Seeding was excellent, so encounters between serious contenders before RO128 was very limited, and there were four cups, so for the most part, it was very fair. There was one screw up in scheduling, on the 2nd day, and I don't know of any pro who was left out. I saw HappyZerg talking about it, but then I saw him in the bracket. So yes, I very much liked what I got from ESL. I could follow more than one game at once as well. I had 5 streams open at one point.
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On April 22 2013 02:00 Inimic wrote:
This is wonderful. Next time I tell my friends about Starcraft and Esports, they can talk to me about the mainstage-sideshow that WCS has been so far.
That´s a sign that esport grows.. right? Right? ... =(
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On April 22 2013 02:26 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:17 zefreak wrote:On April 22 2013 02:14 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 02:11 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. True enough, can't really disagree on anything you said here. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet here as I'm neither part of NA scene (being from Sweden) and don't have the full insight into stuff so I'll just step aside here before I say something else silly Depends on what topic. I am also from EU and i am a viewer of this qualifier. I dislike how the broadcasting is done for qualifier till now, seeing what we got from ESL. We can comment as consumers there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion and giving feedback. You liked what you got from ESL? Be honest, it's because of the player pool and not the format, right? 1000+ man single elim best of 1 is the stupidest format for players that could possible exist, let alone all the screwups in scheduling. Don't care if it's 'exciting', it's not conducive to competition. for the millionth time, it was BO3 from RO128 onwards. Seeding was excellent, so encounters between serious contenders before RO128 was very limited, and there were four cups, so for the most part, it was very fair. There was one screw up in scheduling, on the 2nd day, and I don't know of any pro who was left out. I saw HappyZerg talking about it, but then I saw him in the bracket. So yes, I very much liked what I got from ESL. I could follow more than one game at once as well. I had 5 streams open at one point.
Yeah to me this was the advantage ESL had, no games on the main stream ? open up a second ? hell open up 5+ and there we go constant games flooding in.
I can understand MLG wanting a monopoly, but perhaps talking with NASL and combining the games between studio's isn't a bad idea considering NASL has a great studio for this. More options to viewers is creating goodwill is win.
+ poor NASL would not need to send out World of Tanks or Dota2 while there is a big Dota2 tournament going on aswell.
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On April 22 2013 02:22 iNviSible.yunO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...
I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes.. That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be. Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff. Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be. From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct. I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve. Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers. Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues). Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS. Yes, there is too much drama and yes, some of these points are exaggerated or overly critical. But not all of them. I can't see any logical approach to argue that not allowing community streams despite having just one official stream is just fine. It is not. Yesterday could have had twice the viewer numbers if additional games had been covered by additional streams. It would have been better for the community, better for esports, better for the players, better for the casters. This was/is a big misstep by Blizzard. The more people complain about it, the better.
Complaining is fine, but there is a difference between:
"Man those games last night were fun. It would awesome if MLG had more of them on stream. Right Sundance? Can we make that happen?"
and:
"MLG is a disgrace. ELS had 15 streams on and everyone got to play(no facts to back that up, so it must be true). I know that MLG is a money hungry monopoly and only wanted one stream, but they should have let anyone who wanted to cast the matchs. Outraged, disappointed, and disgusted with MLG. They have lost my money for this(forgetting that the stream is free)"
One I have no problem with. The other I will call what it is: "Internet Outrage" - the most dishonest form of outrage.
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