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Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
April 21 2013 19:23 GMT
#241
Hyun and the hacker being allowed to play for so long are both very disappointing :/
FakePseudo
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium716 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 19:35:06
April 21 2013 19:32 GMT
#242
On April 22 2013 04:22 ChapOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 03:29 yousaba wrote:
On April 21 2013 17:47 Grovbolle wrote:
Pretty much. That is the problem when Blizzard effectively kills all competition, it removes any pressure from organizers to actually do a decent job.

I find it hilarious how everyone were pitchforking ESL. So far they have done a better job than MLG that's for sure


i think everyone who have followed SC2 tournaments lately was disappointed with the pics for WCS.

Dreamhack and NASL was obviously the correct choices. Look at the WCS NASL arranged vs WCS NA by MLG. And look at WCS Europe etc.

Clearly the two best arrangers got punished by the glory that is capitalism.


i think they just picked the two organisations with the best infrastructure in their region. i hate a lot on esl, but they have a lot of experience in online competitions and the proper system/website to carry them out. i'm not sure if dreamhack would have been capable of doing this.


Gotta strongly disagree with this one. While there has been a clear gap between NASL and MLG in terms of viewership, player quality, attendance, prizepool and such (not talking about organisation here), Dreamhack is at least on par with ESL on those points (if not better), plus it has delivered some of the best events/esports shows in the foreign world so far, not even talking about their constant creativity, and the fact that they are always a step ahead in making esports something big and popular, in the good way (imho). Afaik, they also haven't delivered big organizational/infastructure failures lately, but I might be a DH fanboy on this one.
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 19:50:23
April 21 2013 19:43 GMT
#243
This qualifier almost shouldn't even count at this point.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
April 21 2013 19:43 GMT
#244
Not a mention that InControl just got knocked out?
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
April 21 2013 19:49 GMT
#245
On April 22 2013 04:43 Heartland wrote:
Not a mention that InControl just got knocked out?

We're in a moment of silence.
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
April 21 2013 19:52 GMT
#246
Watching the americans play I'm more than happy letting the koreans grab those spots.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 20:02:45
April 21 2013 19:57 GMT
#247
EU wasn't handled ideally but NA seems like a mess in comparision. The Hyun thing and only one stream especially is pretty bad because they apparently chose alot of shitty games to stream while other potentially great ones don't get shown at all. And don't give me the well they might show the replays later . I don't give a shit about replaycasts i want to see stuff live .

At the very least they could make a conference cast where they show several games at the same time and switch when around when intereting stuff happens. Would reduce downtimes considereably. I mean TakeTV does is regularly with 2 games at the same time . One game ends and they have another one still going ? They'll instantly switch to the second one with barely any downtime. This is how a tournament like this should be handled . I wanna see the maximum amount of live games and results .

shivver
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
April 21 2013 19:58 GMT
#248
anyone just watch mario make nony look like a scrub?
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 21 2013 19:59 GMT
#249
Does MLG normally run online qualifiers?

It seems to me that this is one of those few instances that NASL would have done a better job and provided better coverage.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 20:02:32
April 21 2013 20:02 GMT
#250
Yeah gotta hand it to ESL. They could have done it better, but they did do it way better then MLG.
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shivver
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
April 21 2013 20:03 GMT
#251
Axeltoss and axslav really need to get it together, these two are have been making my ears hurt the last two days
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
April 21 2013 20:03 GMT
#252
Holy shit, WCS NA are a pure joke ! The players must be happy being a part of this... :/

And I thought ESL was not quite good enough to hold WCS EU, but they did a good job in fact...

As if the NA scene needed this kind of trouble...
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2013 20:43 GMT
#253
On April 22 2013 03:09 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:55 Fluffboll wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:29 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:24 Fluffboll wrote:
On April 22 2013 00:57 geokilla wrote:
TotalBiscuit is defending MLG pretty hard... He's calling WCS EU shit and WCS America is considered the best tournament...

I like the dude for his casting but what goes through his mind is very questionable sometimes..


That is how TotalBiscuit is, he gets aggressively protective of stuff he is involved in no matter how bad they might be.

Now I thought the casts themselves were alright even though their choice of games to cast were questionable at times. The problems I have with all this is stuff that the casters have no control over, like the chinese not being allowed in, hackers running rampant in the brackets and such stuff.

Both WCS EU and WCS NA both made pretty grave mistakes that royally fucked over both players and viewers but this isn't the StarCraft apocalypse many try and make it out to be.


From all reports the Chinese players showed up late and got put in the que if people didn't show up for their first matches. Its not shocking that a team from another country that got the time wrong. I only have heard reports of one hacker and I am sure he will get shut down if it proves to be correct.


I am curious as to why you are defending the mistakes MLG has made so furiously as you are. Mistakes needs to be pointed out and highlighted in order for the production team to take notice and improve.

Now I don't feel like arguing this as it will in the end lead nowhere and I didn't think it was as bad as many are painting it out to be just some things that are unfortunate and has had a bad effect on especially the players but also in some respects the viewers.


Because NA community loses their minds over every little thing. They complain about the sign up fee and then complain when some of the broadcast matches are really bad because every gold leager in NA could sign up for free. They stick up for Chinese players who appear to have sign in late to a 512 man bracket where 1000 people showed up. And they whine that their aren't 15 streams for a qualifier because someone else had 15 streams(ELS always broadcasts in several langues).

Everything has to be drama. Everything has to be how poorly run things are and how every event isn't perfect. Yes, MLG made mistakes and I am aware of that. I just don't give a shit and find a lot of the complaining to be a bunch of feigned outrage about how things are run. When TB is sticking up for MLG, that's when I know the complaints are a bunch of BS.


oh ye, TB the level headed logician.

"the community caused the mass of gold leaguers because they refused a sign up fee"

like those are the only 2 options. heres 1 solution purely off the top of my head which just seems more logical. use the ladder as a qualifier for wcs. to enter wcs you must be a top 25 masters player of the region you want to enter. there, now everyone can enter because everyone can get to masters, and theres no random players with literally 0 hope of qualifying. that was hard.

all these complaints, its easy to just blame the community for losing their mind, but every single one of them has been real legitimate complaints. there hasnt been a mass hysteria which turned out to be unfounded, its just that blizzard and their chosen WCS partners have gotten so much wrong its almost unbelievable. except that its not unbeleivable because both companies have a history of not engaging with the community, and making event ruining errors.

it seems to be more and more obvious that blizzard is 0/2 in choosing the correct partners for each region, and total biscuit sticking up for them within hours of being paid to cast some games for them (the timing is truly shocking /s) does nothing to change that.


Oh look, you're taking Twitter seriously again. So smart.

Also I was not paid for my guest cast, you know nothing.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
April 21 2013 20:57 GMT
#254
Never thought about not spouting stupid stuff on twitter then? also being hostile as usual, what a smooth guy :x
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shelfofjustice
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada24 Posts
April 21 2013 20:59 GMT
#255
Most of the issues in the way it was run likely stem from just lack of manpower. The admins were stretched far too thin for a qualifier this large, and would've been infinitely worse if the bracket was upped to 1000+ players, not to mention dealing with the overhead stuff on top of that.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 21:09:04
April 21 2013 21:07 GMT
#256
So far, this event has been a complete joke. I feel that Blizzard/MLG has effectively destroyed my interest in the WCS NA . I feel that if NASL had been allowed to run/help out with the qualifiers, it would've been so much better. Hell, even ESL has done a much better job. At least their FOUR separate qualifiers allowed people to participate if they couldn't make one and had up to 2048 players able to compete.
The NA scene I think will be irreparably damaged by all the fuckups that's happened so far.
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mihajovics
Profile Joined April 2011
179 Posts
April 21 2013 21:10 GMT
#257
what happaned with Mario-Nony? I missed it because of the downtime... What was the admin's ruling?
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 21 2013 21:11 GMT
#258
On April 22 2013 06:10 mihajovics wrote:
what happaned with Mario-Nony? I missed it because of the downtime... What was the admin's ruling?


Let Nony decide
daklein
Profile Joined April 2013
3 Posts
April 21 2013 21:13 GMT
#259
On April 22 2013 04:32 FakePseudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 04:22 ChapOne wrote:
On April 22 2013 03:29 yousaba wrote:
On April 21 2013 17:47 Grovbolle wrote:
Pretty much. That is the problem when Blizzard effectively kills all competition, it removes any pressure from organizers to actually do a decent job.

I find it hilarious how everyone were pitchforking ESL. So far they have done a better job than MLG that's for sure


i think everyone who have followed SC2 tournaments lately was disappointed with the pics for WCS.

Dreamhack and NASL was obviously the correct choices. Look at the WCS NASL arranged vs WCS NA by MLG. And look at WCS Europe etc.

Clearly the two best arrangers got punished by the glory that is capitalism.


i think they just picked the two organisations with the best infrastructure in their region. i hate a lot on esl, but they have a lot of experience in online competitions and the proper system/website to carry them out. i'm not sure if dreamhack would have been capable of doing this.


Gotta strongly disagree with this one. While there has been a clear gap between NASL and MLG in terms of viewership, player quality, attendance, prizepool and such (not talking about organisation here), Dreamhack is at least on par with ESL on those points (if not better), plus it has delivered some of the best events/esports shows in the foreign world so far, not even talking about their constant creativity, and the fact that they are always a step ahead in making esports something big and popular, in the good way (imho). Afaik, they also haven't delivered big organizational/infastructure failures lately, but I might be a DH fanboy on this one.


DH does great and not so great stuff. WCS EU Finals were great their last DH Winter was terribly produced. ESL has great events (IEM Gamescom, IEM Katowice) and not so awesome ones (IEM Singapore). Plus ESL is the much bigger and experienced organization in everything online and apart from some hiccups they showed it in the online qualifiers. Especially if you compare it to MLG...
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
April 21 2013 21:13 GMT
#260
Nice of Nony to resume before the fight.
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