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On April 22 2013 03:29 yousaba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 17:47 Grovbolle wrote:
Pretty much. That is the problem when Blizzard effectively kills all competition, it removes any pressure from organizers to actually do a decent job.
I find it hilarious how everyone were pitchforking ESL. So far they have done a better job than MLG that's for sure i think everyone who have followed SC2 tournaments lately was disappointed with the pics for WCS. Dreamhack and NASL was obviously the correct choices. Look at the WCS NASL arranged vs WCS NA by MLG. And look at WCS Europe etc. Clearly the two best arrangers got punished by the glory that is capitalism.
Looking back ESL did a good job and looking at their past Events IEM Cebit and Katowice they did great too whereas DHs Winter Finals were just average...
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On April 22 2013 06:13 Heartland wrote:
Nice of Nony to resume before the fight.
Yeah, he decided to resume before the fight and managed to end the game in his name (though everybody knowing Nony's character know that he had no choice, if given this decision). I really think MLG now owes Nony something, it was the best outcome they could hope for after giving him this decision and he made it happen.
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On April 22 2013 06:17 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 06:13 Heartland wrote:
Nice of Nony to resume before the fight. Yeah, he decided to resume before the fight and managed to end the game in his name (though everybody knowing Nony's character know that he had no choice, if given this decision). I really think MLG now owes Nony something, it was the best outcome they could hope for after giving him this decision and he made it happen.
You mean they should give him a seed next season? : P
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It does appear that this is a bit of a shambles. I mostly feel sorry for the players that have been affected, especially when they are putting a good chunk of their young lives into trying to succeed with this game.
On the flip-side. This is a new format, the logistical challenges involved with this kind of online qualifier are mind boggling. I would expect there to be problems of one degree or another, especially in it's infancy, no matter who is running it. I feel like the whole thing seems a bit rushed, perhaps the different regions should have spent another month or so talking and organizing details.
My problem is the way many of these issues are being dealt with i.e. with minimal communication, no consistency between regions and an unprofessional attitude towards complaints raised by the community. (such as banning people from channels asking about the Chinese players)
There is a lot of money being put into this by Blizzard, they will be expecting a lot from organizers in return on their investment. Business is business if MLG and ESL can't cut the mustard they will probably loose their contract.
To finish on a brighter note - it will get better people! It's just the first year, there were always going to be dramas with this format. Lets just try and enjoy the fantastic games of starcraft that the players will give us.
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On April 22 2013 06:17 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 06:13 Heartland wrote:
Nice of Nony to resume before the fight. Yeah, he decided to resume before the fight and managed to end the game in his name (though everybody knowing Nony's character know that he had no choice, if given this decision). I really think MLG now owes Nony something, it was the best outcome they could hope for after giving him this decision and he made it happen.
Only thing MLG owed him was the choice on how to proceed. He took the classy route.
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So their bracket hasn't been updated since JD played JonSnow about 6 hours ago. How about that? It still doesn't even show that JonSnow played JD, or whether JD beat NOTEAM or not.
Genius work here.
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On April 22 2013 06:27 Sevredol wrote:
It does appear that this is a bit of a shambles. I mostly feel sorry for the players that have been affected, especially when they are putting a good chunk of their young lives into trying to succeed with this game.
On the flip-side. This is a new format, the logistical challenges involved with this kind of online qualifier are mind boggling. I would expect there to be problems of one degree or another, especially in it's infancy, no matter who is running it. I feel like the whole thing seems a bit rushed, perhaps the different regions should have spent another month or so talking and organizing details.
My problem is the way many of these issues are being dealt with i.e. with minimal communication, no consistency between regions and an unprofessional attitude towards complaints raised by the community. (such as banning people from channels asking about the Chinese players)
There is a lot of money being put into this by Blizzard, they will be expecting a lot from organizers in return on their investment. Business is business if MLG and ESL can't cut the mustard they will probably loose their contract.
To finish on a brighter note - it will get better people! It's just the first year, there were always going to be dramas with this format. Lets just try and enjoy the fantastic games of starcraft that the players will give us.
Yea, this is rushed. GSL lucked out that they had the format template and everything basically works the same. MLG and ESL had to organize this in less than a month. Even if the important decisions had been made right as the announcement hit, it was still an extremely strict time schedule. I can't imagine organizing something this size in a matter of 2-3 weeks, especially when your "default moves" (like MLG trying to charge for passes) conflict heavily with those of other regions.
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On April 22 2013 06:27 Sevredol wrote:
It does appear that this is a bit of a shambles. I mostly feel sorry for the players that have been affected, especially when they are putting a good chunk of their young lives into trying to succeed with this game.
On the flip-side. This is a new format, the logistical challenges involved with this kind of online qualifier are mind boggling. I would expect there to be problems of one degree or another, especially in it's infancy, no matter who is running it. I feel like the whole thing seems a bit rushed, perhaps the different regions should have spent another month or so talking and organizing details.
My problem is the way many of these issues are being dealt with i.e. with minimal communication, no consistency between regions and an unprofessional attitude towards complaints raised by the community. (such as banning people from channels asking about the Chinese players)
There is a lot of money being put into this by Blizzard, they will be expecting a lot from organizers in return on their investment. Business is business if MLG and ESL can't cut the mustard they will probably loose their contract.
To finish on a brighter note - it will get better people! It's just the first year, there were always going to be dramas with this format. Lets just try and enjoy the fantastic games of starcraft that the players will give us.
I don't think just because it's a new format that it shouldn't be harshly critiqued. Many of these "problems" they're dealing with would of easily been sorted out with proper administration work. Hyun knocking out 4 people before being DQ'd is unacceptable. They should have at least 1 person scanning the names of the people before the brackets started.
With that being said, slipping up due to human error is acceptable. A blizzard based tournament signup where you signup with your battle.net account would of been a lot better as then Blizzard could close signups for any of the other regions based on your choice, allowing for less repeats. Of course people with two accounts can sign up for two different ones, but simple IP comparisons would of sorted it out surely or something along those lines.
It's just a big unorganized mess. I'm surprised it's still functioning with the amount of shit most of the players have had to deal with.
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On April 22 2013 06:17 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 06:13 Heartland wrote:
Nice of Nony to resume before the fight. Yeah, he decided to resume before the fight and managed to end the game in his name (though everybody knowing Nony's character know that he had no choice, if given this decision). I really think MLG now owes Nony something, it was the best outcome they could hope for after giving him this decision and he made it happen.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. NonY was given a choice, which is arguably poor form on the MLG staff's part, and he made the "nice guy" decision. He earned our respect, Mario's respect, but that's where it should end.
All's well that ends well. 
(and of course, nobody would've owed him anything if he had lost after the rematch)
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I sincerely hope MLG just comes out after the qualifiers are finished and admits that they really messed up. Even then, I'm sure many will still be dissatisfied. They better really step up their game for the next event.
Can't help but feel a bit of deja vu with all of this though.
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And now they've DQ'd Comm.
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Holy shit I'm so mindfucked with everything that just happen during the tournament.
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On April 22 2013 07:39 MVTaylor wrote:
And now they've DQ'd Comm.
Did they give a reason?
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This whole ordeal has been lulzy ever since its announcement.
Good entertainment at least... and people want SC2 "on TV." Could you imagine the embarrassment.
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On April 22 2013 07:42 EZSkull wrote:Did they give a reason?
Because the MLG account he played on isn't his own, because they didn't let him into the qualifier.
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At least it isn't as bad as MLG Dallas where they managed to get 40,000+ people watching a live stream of baby eagles. GSL managing their WCS so well because they've not had to change anything, Europe & America seems like a last minute "Oh we have about a week to sort these qualifiers out, well let's just try and do our best to not make it a complete farce".
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On April 22 2013 07:42 EZSkull wrote:Did they give a reason?
Comm's b.net account / MLG account didn't get placed in to the bracket as he wasn't given a pro gamer seed (he had checked in within time limits and asked MLG admins to confirm this).
Then FruitBasket, a complete unknown in the Chinese scene did manage to get in to the bracket and gave his login details / MLG account to Comm. Upon finding this out MLG DQ'd him (One round from qualifying to Premier League).
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On April 22 2013 07:43 nvs. wrote:
This whole ordeal has been lulzy ever since its announcement.
Good entertainment at least... and people want SC2 "on TV." Could you imagine the embarrassment.
I thought the general consensus was that SC2 or most eSports would do better online because of fewer middle men or arbitrary scheduling restrictions and maybe even censorship. You would really need an entire channel more or less dedicated to it. But yeah, if somehow this ended up on ESPN it would be a bad way introduce the SC2 competitive scene.
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On April 22 2013 07:47 MVTaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:42 EZSkull wrote:On April 22 2013 07:39 MVTaylor wrote:
And now they've DQ'd Comm. Did they give a reason? Comm's b.net account / MLG account didn't get placed in to the bracket as he wasn't given a pro gamer seed (he had checked in within time limits and asked MLG admins to confirm this). Then FruitBasket, a complete unknown in the Chinese scene did manage to get in to the bracket and gave his login details / MLG account to Comm. Upon finding this out MLG DQ'd him (One round from qualifying to Premier League).
Talk about a complete fiasco
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liquipedia brackets now hidden? Are they redoing the seeding of the players that fell down from the late winners round? We know who they all are. They were copied exactly from the MLG bracket that was shown last night and is now hidden on their site as well.
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