Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.
Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.
I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.
It doesn't need to be stated outright, that is why it as removed. Any symbol associated with Nazism is super illegal in German and they take that stuff super seriously. Movies and games are completely banned in the country for have a single Nazi symbol. And all the other politically correct reasons as well.
Are you trying to say that the random guy who reviewed this map is versed in German law, or that Blizzard's general CYA policy against "offensive" material has a huge list of provisions like "no swastikas because German legal code" that we don't get to see (instead getting the generic watered down bit about offensive things) and the guy who reviewed the map correlated that provision with the Buddhist swastika on this map (despite that Buddhist symbols tend to be exempted from swastika censorship in Germany)? Or did someone from the Bundespolizei phone Blizzard and make them aware of this? And in any case, how did you get such inside information that the rest of us aren't privy to?
Everyone in this thread who supports the Blizzard decision should go search "Kyoto" in Google maps and proceed to write a letter to Google condemning them for using offensive imagery on their site.
On April 11 2013 06:31 Popkiller wrote: Everyone in this thread who supports the Blizzard decision should go search "Kyoto" in Google maps and proceed to write a letter to Google condemning them for using offensive imagery on their site.
I don't get it....i did it and i saw a map of the city of Kyoto? which is what I expected to see?
But in all seriousness guys blizzard has the right to do what they want you all agreed to it by hitting accept the Terms of use to play SC 2 and to create a battle.net.
I think Blizzard made an appropriate decision, but it's quite sad that a simple symbol with 3000+ year history cannot be used without hurting people just because a massively crazy people used it for their symbol. (Though, I don't think that is a Nazi symbol, because, as I know, they used it only in clockwise.)
On April 11 2013 04:28 kingjames01 wrote: That's fine, but the swastika as a symbol predates the Nazis by thousands of years.
It's very unfortunate that in modern times, it was adopted by the Nazi Party, but it's been used all over the world to mean something completely different.
Once again, I'm going to point out that the swastika in that map has the opposite rotation from the one that the Nazis used, so the moderation was baseless and made out of ignorance.
Nonsense. What do people think when they see a swastika? Do they wonder about the direction of the rotation? Do they wonder about the multitude of meanings it had a thousand years ago?
It doesn't matter. A symbol means what people think it means. That is what makes it a symbol - that it means something to people. Intentional or not, this map is fail.
No it is not "fail".
Sniper Ridge is a very good BW map that allows very good BW games. Sure it is a fucking pain in the butt if you get lurker contained.
Man, getting lurker contained on Sniper Ridge is a test of nerves and faith. The most zen player will go apeshit bananas and atheists bend their knees in a pray for God's mercy.
On April 11 2013 06:31 Popkiller wrote: Everyone in this thread who supports the Blizzard decision should go search "Kyoto" in Google maps and proceed to write a letter to Google condemning them for using offensive imagery on their site.
I don't get it....i did it and i saw a map of the city of Kyoto? which is what I expected to see?
But in all seriousness guys blizzard has the right to do what they want you all agreed to it by hitting accept the Terms of use to play SC 2 and to create a battle.net.
This picture pretty much sums up the difference. Dont group different cultures/events together because they "look alike". That is racist and discriminating.
Wtf? Blizzard has swastika on theyr own maps... At least very similiar to swastika. Now theres only korhal city that reminds of it but there used to be a lot more.
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It's probably the default last sentence but it looks like he's trolling the guy. Lol.
god fucking damn it blizzard and its retarded GMs.
Also even if there ever was a map with a "real" nazi cross who would even care ? I mean seriously its not like the map would tell you to burn people or something...
On April 11 2013 06:31 Popkiller wrote: Everyone in this thread who supports the Blizzard decision should go search "Kyoto" in Google maps and proceed to write a letter to Google condemning them for using offensive imagery on their site.
I don't get it....i did it and i saw a map of the city of Kyoto? which is what I expected to see?
But in all seriousness guys blizzard has the right to do what they want you all agreed to it by hitting accept the Terms of use to play SC 2 and to create a battle.net.
japanese maps use the left facing swastika to denote temples in the city.
Hi, I'm actively part of the Starbow team and the guy who textured this map.
I personally asked that we should include a remake of Sniper Ridge for the Starbow map pool because it promotes positional play.
I agree that Blizzard is perfectly justified in removing the map for the sheer sake of political correctedness.
I am not happy at how they actually handled the situation though. This is a map played in proleague, still played by teamliquid.net BW TLS, and a large part of Starcraft history. This is blizzs own baby here as a port, not a drawing of a penis and then uploaded intended to be offensive.
Is a suspension really required here?
It is pretty obvious to see how the symbolism could be overlooked. Hell, I didn't even realize there was a swastika like symbol until my girlfriend pointed it out, this is after watching BW esports, the recent TLS, and playing plenty of matches on it.
Is blizz gleefully not aware that coincidence can occur?
so instead of educating the people in regards to swastika, they made them ignorant of its actual usage that dates back thousands of years and implement a negative image rather than dissipating the hatred symbol as just another symbol, is over valued enough to discriminate against asian culture.
dude this is hilarious, i feel so bad for Kahel or whatever his name is. I never expected a map to look like that though. I mean I used to play in BW, but ..ye..
Maintaining the ban of Kabelkorven for that is a little bit too much in my opinion. He had a no bad intentions doing that.
They should have hid the map only (as they can't remove files from battle.net) and should have contacted him via mail that that symbol is not ok to be used.
edit: oh, it wasn't a ban... well, 7 day suspension might be ok... but... well... I still feel 7 days is too much for that... I would have started with a delete + warning without suspension...
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