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Dozle
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada147 Posts
April 10 2013 21:13 GMT
#141
Ignorance is the only word I can think of for this
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 21:20:40
April 10 2013 21:14 GMT
#142
On April 11 2013 06:11 cKoL wrote:
The Symbol is even banned from the public in germany and u get arrested by posting it in any form that doesnt show any education or historical use.


Here it was used in historical context, I'd say.

edit: also I wanted to add that what you wrote is wrong. You do not get arrested by posting it in any form that isn't bound to education or history. You get arrested by posting it in any form that glorifies nazis. Yes, people had been charged with using it, but the highest court in Germany ruled that it is illegal if it is not showing the nazis in a positive light (it was used on a "nazis out!" sticker).

And obviously we are talking about the nazi version of the swastika, not the budhist version.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 10 2013 21:15 GMT
#143
On April 11 2013 06:13 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Neither side is totally wrong or totally right if you ask me (not that anyone did hehe). What they probably should have done is ban the map, warn the creator and then be done with it. If the user continued to make more "offensive" content then an account ban would be in order.

Also, I imagine most people would immediately associate it with a swastika even if it's facing the wrong direction.

Blizzard side is 100% wrong in upholding the ban.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Valon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States329 Posts
April 10 2013 21:16 GMT
#144
This is a little ridiculous, The banning I mean.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 21:17 GMT
#145
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote:
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[image loading]

Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.

Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.

I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.

It doesn't need to be stated outright, that is why it as removed. Any symbol associated with Nazism is super illegal in German and they take that stuff super seriously. Movies and games are completely banned in the country for have a single Nazi symbol. And all the other politically correct reasons as well.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
April 10 2013 21:17 GMT
#146
if they're so offended by it why not just remove the map...
Those Bitches
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 10 2013 21:17 GMT
#147
I wonder if the Blizzard employee even clicked on the Sniper Ridge link. I wonder if he even knows what Brood War is. I wonder if he thinks teamliquid.net is some front so mapmakers can make subtly offensive maps under the guise of remade content.
Never make a hydralisk.
lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 21:20:22
April 10 2013 21:19 GMT
#148
You really think 7 day is bad?

I got banned for a year for uploading Britney Bound. The same game from Frozen Throne....
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
April 10 2013 21:20 GMT
#149
This annoys the hell out of me... So ridiculous, even more so that the appeal was unsuccessful...
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
April 10 2013 21:21 GMT
#150
Haha... yeah I support blizzard in this one :|
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
xsevR
Profile Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 21:31:31
April 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#151
Lol what a joke. Let's repress all images of a symbol, because that symbol is evil! Its arbitrary shape incites people to genocide (except 90% of the world where its a recognized religious symbol). Disregard all the Nazi-founded companies still doing business to this day, they good.

To all this German law crap: Can you play sniper ridge in Germany on BW or does the secret police come and intern you?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 21:28:10
April 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#152
On April 11 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.

Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.

I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.

It doesn't need to be stated outright, that is why it as removed. Any symbol associated with Nazism is super illegal in German and they take that stuff super seriously. Movies and games are completely banned in the country for have a single Nazi symbol. And all the other politically correct reasons as well.


Well, I edited my post earlier but I guess it was too late.
Using the nazi symbol (yes, I am talking about the nazi version of the swastika, not the budhist version) is only illegal if it supports the nazi ideology or things associated to it. So you can actually use a crossed out version of the symbel in a "nazi out!" poster without legal problems. This is a ruling of the highest court in Germany in the year 2007.

As for why video games may not show nazi symbols even though they are clearly the bad guys (e.g. Wolfenstein)... I think that is actually allowed by now, according to the new ruling. Should any video game company sue the people responsible for banning the game, I think they have good chances of winning, it's just that no video game company bothers doing so.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
April 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#153
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.

Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.

I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.

It's true, I guess blizzard doesn't want to be banned from Germany for 7 days or more
@taefoxy
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#154
On April 11 2013 06:25 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.

Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.

I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.

It doesn't need to be stated outright, that is why it as removed. Any symbol associated with Nazism is super illegal in German and they take that stuff super seriously. Movies and games are completely banned in the country for have a single Nazi symbol. And all the other politically correct reasons as well.


Well, I edited my post earlier but I guess it was too late.
Using the nazi symbol (yes, I am talking about the nazi version of the swastika, not the budhist version) is only illegal if it supports the nazi ideology or things associated to it. So you can actually use a crossed out version of the symbel in a "nazi out!" poster without legal problems. This is a ruling of the highest court in Germany in the year 2007.

I don't think Blizzard is really interested in that fight, but I see where you are coming from. Its a video game folks.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#155
On April 11 2013 06:25 Porishan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.

Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.

I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.

It's true, I guess blizzard doesn't want to be banned from Germany for 7 days or more


They can remove the map without banning the player/mapmaker.
Never make a hydralisk.
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
April 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#156
Just because Blizzard screwed up with making the map in the first place doesn't mean it should allow it to continue. I don't agree with the ban, but the map should obviously be deleted.
hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
April 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#157
i have had the id hooktits since late bw days into wings of liberty and into hots and haven't had any troubles , its all just sillyness
Hooktits of Tits gaming @hooktits twit
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
April 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#158
On April 11 2013 04:28 kingjames01 wrote:
That's fine, but the swastika as a symbol predates the Nazis by thousands of years.

It's very unfortunate that in modern times, it was adopted by the Nazi Party, but it's been used all over the world to mean something completely different.

Once again, I'm going to point out that the swastika in that map has the opposite rotation from the one that the Nazis used, so the moderation was baseless and made out of ignorance.


Nonsense. What do people think when they see a swastika? Do they wonder about the direction of the rotation? Do they wonder about the multitude of meanings it had a thousand years ago?

It doesn't matter. A symbol means what people think it means. That is what makes it a symbol - that it means something to people. Intentional or not, this map is fail.
FreeTossCZComentary
Profile Joined September 2011
Czech Republic143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 21:28:14
April 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#159
I really really love this way of thinking...

You know, Nazis used swastika, lets ban it!

By the way, you know that Nazis were breathing. Maybe should ban breathing as well.

-.- /facepalm

---------

Voldemorts name have been banned and yet it did not stoped his return.

Imagine making fun of that name. Having "Street of Voldemorts defeat". I think that banning symbols/names is really really bad aproach in Anti-Nazism and Anti-Voldemort fight and those strategies should be rethinked.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 21:32:06
April 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#160
On April 11 2013 06:27 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 06:25 Porishan wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences.

Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed.

I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read.

It's true, I guess blizzard doesn't want to be banned from Germany for 7 days or more


They can remove the map without banning the player/mapmaker.


They can remove the map without the GM handling the ticket acting like a fucking cunt to the user that submitted it, whether the ban remains or not. To me that's the one part that you cannot possibly defend in any circumstance and with any argument. Like sure the usage of Swastika is questionable and a can of worms in and of itself, sure they are technically allowed to ban people for no reason. But you cannot dispute the fact that the GM responded like a complete and utter prick, for no reason whatsoever, in fact seemingly just to spite the guy that wrote the ticket. That is inexcusable.
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