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Dozle
Canada147 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:11 cKoL wrote: The Symbol is even banned from the public in germany and u get arrested by posting it in any form that doesnt show any education or historical use. Here it was used in historical context, I'd say.  edit: also I wanted to add that what you wrote is wrong. You do not get arrested by posting it in any form that isn't bound to education or history. You get arrested by posting it in any form that glorifies nazis. Yes, people had been charged with using it, but the highest court in Germany ruled that it is illegal if it is not showing the nazis in a positive light (it was used on a "nazis out!" sticker). And obviously we are talking about the nazi version of the swastika, not the budhist version. | ||
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Penev
28495 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:13 AnomalySC2 wrote: Neither side is totally wrong or totally right if you ask me (not that anyone did hehe). What they probably should have done is ban the map, warn the creator and then be done with it. If the user continued to make more "offensive" content then an account ban would be in order. Also, I imagine most people would immediately associate it with a swastika even if it's facing the wrong direction. Blizzard side is 100% wrong in upholding the ban. | ||
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Valon
United States329 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote: I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read. It doesn't need to be stated outright, that is why it as removed. Any symbol associated with Nazism is super illegal in German and they take that stuff super seriously. Movies and games are completely banned in the country for have a single Nazi symbol. And all the other politically correct reasons as well. | ||
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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lantz
United States762 Posts
I got banned for a year for uploading Britney Bound. The same game from Frozen Throne.... | ||
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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xsevR
United States324 Posts
To all this German law crap: Can you play sniper ridge in Germany on BW or does the secret police come and intern you? | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote: It doesn't need to be stated outright, that is why it as removed. Any symbol associated with Nazism is super illegal in German and they take that stuff super seriously. Movies and games are completely banned in the country for have a single Nazi symbol. And all the other politically correct reasons as well. Well, I edited my post earlier but I guess it was too late. Using the nazi symbol (yes, I am talking about the nazi version of the swastika, not the budhist version) is only illegal if it supports the nazi ideology or things associated to it. So you can actually use a crossed out version of the symbel in a "nazi out!" poster without legal problems. This is a ruling of the highest court in Germany in the year 2007. As for why video games may not show nazi symbols even though they are clearly the bad guys (e.g. Wolfenstein)... I think that is actually allowed by now, according to the new ruling. Should any video game company sue the people responsible for banning the game, I think they have good chances of winning, it's just that no video game company bothers doing so. | ||
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Taefox
1533 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:12 oBlade wrote: I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read. It's true, I guess blizzard doesn't want to be banned from Germany for 7 days or more | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Well, I edited my post earlier but I guess it was too late. Using the nazi symbol (yes, I am talking about the nazi version of the swastika, not the budhist version) is only illegal if it supports the nazi ideology or things associated to it. So you can actually use a crossed out version of the symbel in a "nazi out!" poster without legal problems. This is a ruling of the highest court in Germany in the year 2007. I don't think Blizzard is really interested in that fight, but I see where you are coming from. Its a video game folks. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:25 Porishan wrote: It's true, I guess blizzard doesn't want to be banned from Germany for 7 days or more They can remove the map without banning the player/mapmaker. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:28 kingjames01 wrote: That's fine, but the swastika as a symbol predates the Nazis by thousands of years. It's very unfortunate that in modern times, it was adopted by the Nazi Party, but it's been used all over the world to mean something completely different. Once again, I'm going to point out that the swastika in that map has the opposite rotation from the one that the Nazis used, so the moderation was baseless and made out of ignorance. Nonsense. What do people think when they see a swastika? Do they wonder about the direction of the rotation? Do they wonder about the multitude of meanings it had a thousand years ago? It doesn't matter. A symbol means what people think it means. That is what makes it a symbol - that it means something to people. Intentional or not, this map is fail. | ||
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FreeTossCZComentary
Czech Republic143 Posts
You know, Nazis used swastika, lets ban it! By the way, you know that Nazis were breathing. Maybe should ban breathing as well. -.- /facepalm --------- Voldemorts name have been banned and yet it did not stoped his return. Imagine making fun of that name. Having "Street of Voldemorts defeat". I think that banning symbols/names is really really bad aproach in Anti-Nazism and Anti-Voldemort fight and those strategies should be rethinked. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:27 justinpal wrote: They can remove the map without banning the player/mapmaker. They can remove the map without the GM handling the ticket acting like a fucking cunt to the user that submitted it, whether the ban remains or not. To me that's the one part that you cannot possibly defend in any circumstance and with any argument. Like sure the usage of Swastika is questionable and a can of worms in and of itself, sure they are technically allowed to ban people for no reason. But you cannot dispute the fact that the GM responded like a complete and utter prick, for no reason whatsoever, in fact seemingly just to spite the guy that wrote the ticket. That is inexcusable. | ||
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