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PXEnTei
United States209 Posts
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
Edit: Blizzards response that is. Take down the map if you feel it to be too provoking, but unlock the uploaders account. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
However, keeping the user banned in light of clear evidence that there was no intent to break the ToS or otherwise be malicious is pretty stupid. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
But you gotta admit that's an unfortunate looking map. IDK what the Kespa guys were thinking when they made it. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:35 ZappaSC wrote: I honestly think this is alright. To the people who say that the swastika meant something else and so fourth: It does not matter. Now it is associated with the nazi party, and it will continue to be so. The map looks like a huge swastika, BW or not, its not appropriate IMHO. EDIT: alright to ban i mean, its only 7 days man. How can you just shit on an entire culture that uses it as a symbol of positivity and being good? Does that mean if the Germans had, for whatever arbitrary reason, selected Denmark's coat of arms as their symbol, because thats just as arbitrary as picking a Swastika, then you would be ashamed to reference your own country's coat of arms because it was associated with Nazism? Is it that easy to pollute an idea? Especially something like the Swastika which has been used for millenia as a symbol of goodness? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:37 hangarninetysix wrote: Because people who actually care about what they do would typically take 5 minutes to look into something before suspending the account of a paying customer. you should work as support some time. They have their lists on how to act towards certain things. And it is also heavily influenced by the one that will work on the report. You could say they are extremely biased. And this happened before, they banned a WoL map 2ish years ago were mob movement would build this as well. And it was sorta a small upset, because a rumor slipped by that the author really intended this, so I guess Blizzard is more sensible towards this. And the support maybe even checked for old cases, which resulted in the ban. Also high chance if you end up on a low payed support line, that the person doesn't care. Which happens often when you use free services. I don't really care for Blizzard being over sensitive, everyone is it these days. Because a few drama queens can raise a huge mob within a day. So rather blame those white knights searching the Internet for stuff they can report ... | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
From not allowing Jaedong to use his name (even if its due to some automated filter) to not allowing any sort of english (other languages are fine apparently) curse word in a map that you don't even want people outside of your own group of friends to play... (and you can't play such a map in some sort of LAN environment, so you're stuck with the policies). I know the arguments for this kind of censorship, but it's still annoying as hell to deal with. | ||
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Herro_Korea
310 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:19 urashimakt wrote: You already know how it's offensive. Show a Westerner a swastika or a sauwastika and 99 times out of 100 they'll tell you that's the Nazi symbol of hatred. It doesn't matter that you specifically have looked into the origin of the symbol, it matters that there are 99 other people to match you who haven't. I'm Polish and I can tell that most people in here know swastika was not only used as nazi symbol.  Poor dude got suspended, and map was being used durring BW in proleague when blizzard had their logos in booths, caster desks and such durring matches. Example : + Show Spoiler + so by their logic, they did support hateful message while promoting this league using this hateful map | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:37 hypercube wrote: Stupid decision and will probably get overturned on a higher level. But you gotta admit that's an unfortunate looking map. IDK what the Kespa guys were thinking when they made it. They were thinking of the common symbol you see throughout asia, for korean bw scene. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
Leagues Featured: 2011-12 Proleague S1 2011-12 Proleague S2 2012 Tving OSL 7th SonicTV Starleague TeamLiquid Legacy Starleague 1 So why does TeamLiquid use nazi maps in 2013???? Should have known that's a nazi symbol, right? I think it's time to email sponsors (blizzard) to demand the removal of TL players from WCS. | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:37 hypercube wrote: Stupid decision and will probably get overturned on a higher level. But you gotta admit that's an unfortunate looking map. IDK what the Kespa guys were thinking when they made it. For East Asians, it's just a common Buddhist symbol. When [Ragnarok]Valkyrie (who is a Korean, and Korea can be found in East Asia) made the map, it probably felt as normal to him as you or I putting a star shape in our maps. It happens to be one of my favorite maps actually because of the high ground dynamics. On April 11 2013 05:39 ch33psh33p wrote: How can you just shit on an entire culture that uses it as a symbol of positivity and being good? Does that mean if the Germans had, for whatever arbitrary reason, selected Denmark's coat of arms as their symbol, because thats just as arbitrary as picking a Swastika, then you would be ashamed to reference your own country's coat of arms because it was associated with Nazism? Is it that easy to pollute an idea? Especially something like the Swastika which has been used for millenia as a symbol of goodness? Or even closer to home, their association with the beautiful music of Anton Bruckner and Richard Wagner. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:39 jinorazi wrote: They were thinking of the common symbol you see throughout asia, for korean bw scene. Yeah, well some things don't translate well when you go to other countries. Take the word "fanny" when you travel from the US to England. In one country the word is harmless. The other, not so much. All politics are local. Some symbols mean different things to different people. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Come on now blizzard, why are you being dumb and ignorant about it? It doesn't even turn the same way as the nazi sign, or have the same colours... I'd just say that the blizzard administrator isn't really putting up a "hi guys, we're educated!" sign... | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:39 ch33psh33p wrote: How can you just shit on an entire culture that uses it as a symbol of positivity and being good? Does that mean if the Germans had, for whatever arbitrary reason, selected Denmark's coat of arms as their symbol, because thats just as arbitrary as picking a Swastika, then you would be ashamed to reference your own country's coat of arms because it was associated with Nazism? Is it that easy to pollute an idea? Especially something like the Swastika which has been used for millenia as a symbol of goodness? I'm sorry, but "that easy?" They killed millions of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, political enemies, etc. etc. under that symbol. It's not like Germany adopted the swastika, threatened to bomb someone, but ended up backing out. They used it as a rallying symbol for a decade's worth of rape, pillaging, and mass genocide. Mass genocide trumps "millenia" of goodness any day of the week, especially considering the latest use being to embroil the entire world into a war that ended up with nukes being lobbed around. At any rate, what server was this loaded up to? Blizzard Europe, right? They could be worried about German censorship laws, what with their banning of the swastika and what not. If they left it up, and the German government got a hold of them, it could be trouble. So sorry guys, Blizzard still isn't the evil bastard you all like to think he is. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:59 Praetorial wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1UpLVM1.png) Don't worry, that's definitely not a swastika! Fact is, that symbol is still a hate symbol, in whatever form it's used. Try waving a 45-degree rotated classic swastika and call it a religious symbol and see how long you last in Germany. Political correctness is fine, but not when it becomes this silly. I agree fully with Blizzard. What? Blizzard's response was the politically correct one. This is like getting banned for saying 'niggardly.' | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:40 Jarree wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sniper_Ridge So why does TeamLiquid use nazi maps in 2013???? Should have known that's a nazi symbol, right? I think it's time to email sponsors (blizzard) to demand the removal of TL players from WCS. really? TL bw has nothing to do with SC2 squad and it's not the swastika symbol that the nazis used. All of us BW players already know that so we don't care about it. Plus, the map is fun to play on as well. | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:46 Mauldo wrote: I'm sorry, but "that easy?" They killed millions of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, political enemies, etc. etc. under that symbol. It's not like Germany adopted the swastika, threatened to bomb someone, but ended up backing out. They used it as a rallying symbol for a decade's worth of rape, pillaging, and mass genocide. Mass genocide trumps "millenia" of goodness any day of the week, especially considering the latest use being to embroil the entire world into a war that ended up with nukes being lobbed around. At any rate, what server was this loaded up to? Blizzard Europe, right? They could be worried about German censorship laws, what with their banning of the swastika and what not. If they left it up, and the German government got a hold of them, it could be trouble. So sorry guys, Blizzard still isn't the evil bastard you all like to think he is. It was Europe and was likely taken down to the German laws you referenced. This is what happens when the game is global, you have to accept that some people view things differently than you. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:46 Mauldo wrote: I'm sorry, but "that easy?" They killed millions of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, political enemies, etc. etc. under that symbol. It's not like Germany adopted the swastika, threatened to bomb someone, but ended up backing out. They used it as a rallying symbol for a decade's worth of rape, pillaging, and mass genocide. Mass genocide trumps "millenia" of goodness any day of the week, especially considering the latest use being to embroil the entire world into a war that ended up with nukes being lobbed around. At any rate, what server was this loaded up to? Blizzard Europe, right? They could be worried about German censorship laws, what with their banning of the swastika and what not. If they left it up, and the German government got a hold of them, it could be trouble. So sorry guys, Blizzard still isn't the evil bastard you all like to think he is. Ah yes, the microcosmic view of history, localized to one continent. I'm glad the narrowmindedness of human nature is still strong. | ||
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