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OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
April 10 2013 20:11 GMT
#81
My friend got a lifetime ban on the blizzard forums for making this symbol

3==============D

He was banned for pornography .
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grunge
Profile Joined May 2010
United States40 Posts
April 10 2013 20:11 GMT
#82
I am very disappointed by this. God forbid that we acknowledge other cultures and instantly jump to the worst/ignorant conclusion, you know? If he is not unbanned, we should all send emails to Blizzard for improper reaction to this situation and it will force a difficult situation on them that they were hoping to avoid anyway and this will hopefully allow them to change their procedures.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:14:16
April 10 2013 20:13 GMT
#83
On April 11 2013 05:00 Chaggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 04:57 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 04:47 Chaggi wrote:
On April 11 2013 04:44 HeeroFX wrote:
Looks like a swastika to me.


Cause you dont' know history. It's not a swastika, it's a religious symbol and has been for much longer than when the Nazi's tried to use it.

Either configuration is illegal in Germany, for reason I am sure I don't need to detail. That is the main reason why most games and media do not ever use the symbol. Not shocked by the ban, this is no joke for some people.


Ah really? We see it here in Korea a lot, I believe it's used for religious purposes, never walked in one though.


Germany takes Nazis and anything association with them very seriously. They still have Nazis in their country to this day, in small numbers(much like any extremist in a country). Their history with Nazi movement is a blight on their country and they do not joke around at all when it comes to anything relating to the Nazi party. There is no room for nuance either, as they still have Nazis looking for the graves of party members and all sorts of other weird shit.

All politics are local. Across the world the simple is a harmless symbol. To Germany, it is a blight on their history and the symbol worshiped by extremist to this day.
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Greenwizard
Profile Joined June 2012
48 Posts
April 10 2013 20:13 GMT
#84
Well i agree on blizzard removing it , i mean there are the people who really sufferd and probably know the way the simbol really looks and there are the people who just feel offended by everything and report this , why would blizzard bother , i don't agree on the bad , they should just email the guy and say there are some people who find your map offensive and we will remove it.
I wonder when will we get over this period of OMFG i am gonna sue you for everything. I wonder how long until we stop searching similarities with these 8 lines and scream. Should we forget and forgive , no , should we blame people who aren't even born at that period , no.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
April 10 2013 20:14 GMT
#85
that isn't a swastika. In fact, it's a symbol you'll see frequently used in Google Maps to mark Buddhist temples.

Shall we write to Google?
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:18:06
April 10 2013 20:14 GMT
#86
On April 11 2013 04:50 Serimek wrote:
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On April 11 2013 04:41 SnowfaLL wrote:
typical blizzard really; I had my name banned on Europe before.. yes, this name, "SnowfaLL" - was banned as sexual content..


How can SnowfaLL can be understood as sexual ? Is my understanding of English too limited ?


I don't get it either.

Also, this is insane. There's so many maps you could end up even accidentally with that same symbol - it's an obvious 4 player rotational symmetry. -_-
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Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
April 10 2013 20:15 GMT
#87
Just Blizzard employees making sure that the ignorance of the swastika symbol propagates. Personally I'd rather the symbol slowly goes back to its original meaning, instead of forcibly hammering into every new generation that any swastika (even when both the direction and the angle are wrong) equates to the support of a former political entity bent on genocide. To each its own.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 20:15 GMT
#88
On April 11 2013 05:03 jinorazi wrote:
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On April 11 2013 05:00 eskimoaN wrote:
that's a manji, not a swastika... I've seen it on temples in Korea. It's a symbol of good luck. Here are some links:

http://koreantemples.com/?p=75
http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/swastika.htm


thats the thing, most people (and blizzard) dont give a single fuck on correctness and would cry foul.
everything in the world revolves around western culture, who gives a fuck about asian culture.


Its on the EU server, where Germany is and it is illegal to have the symbol in a game in Germany.
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yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:17:28
April 10 2013 20:16 GMT
#89
Wow Blizzard's response to him seems a bit harsh. I like how the auto note at the end contradicts what he stated in the line prior.
Greenwizard
Profile Joined June 2012
48 Posts
April 10 2013 20:17 GMT
#90
On April 11 2013 05:10 El Caz wrote:
A long while back I started working on a map that had a bikini wearing girl right in the middle of it. Later on I realized that I wouldn't be able to share the map with just a couple of friends for a few laughs like I could do on SC1, since maps are uploaded and shared with whoever finds them. Blizzard has censorship rules like this in place in case you hurt someone else's sensibilities, so uploading a bikini girl map could get me in trouble, and I ditched the idea. Well, that's the excuse I'm using, since once I finished the 'artsy' bits using the editor's brushes, I got too lazy to continue working on the balancing, triggers or anything else.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Elcaz/bikini-girl1.jpg

I'm thinking I could do this with a face, instead of a full body. It'd be less problematic censorship wise (less fun as well, I guess) but I seriously have no clue regarding balance or what makes a map fun, but drawing stuff on it is a challenge I enjoyed.

Regarding Kabel and his map, I don't think the swastika resemblance was intentional. Blizzard has no way of knowing if something offensive was intentional or not, so they stick to their guidelines and ban you accordingly. It does make for people being wary about what they upload but I guess that means the guidelines are working as intended.


And teoreticly the age needed to play BW , is a little bigger then the age needed to see a girl in a bikiny :D
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
April 10 2013 20:19 GMT
#91
On April 11 2013 04:57 Shikyo wrote:
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On April 11 2013 04:53 motbob wrote:
If the original Sniper Ridge map did not exist, no one would claim that removing the b.net version is a perfectly legitimate exercise of Blizzard's power. The fact that the original map does exist does not change the situation in any significant way. There is no case against Blizzard here. The map seems intentionally offensive to anyone who did not follow competitive BW, and more than 99% of the b.net community did not follow competitive BW. The fact that "it's backwards" is not significant either in determining whether the map is offensive.

How? "The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good" or "auspicious," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good". "

That's totally different from the nazi one o_O How can people even mix them up, they're 45 degrees bent to begin with

Again the finnish air force had those exact ones

You already know how it's offensive. Show a Westerner a swastika or a sauwastika and 99 times out of 100 they'll tell you that's the Nazi symbol of hatred. It doesn't matter that you specifically have looked into the origin of the symbol, it matters that there are 99 other people to match you who haven't. Additionally, both versions (left-facing and right-facing) were present in the Nazi regime, although only one of them was used on the flag.

Bottom line, it would be a huge battle for Blizzard to host such a map on their servers (you'll notice it already got reported, so someone obviously noticed and objected to it) and it's a much safer route just to remove it. The suspension is unfortunate.
Who dat ninja?
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:23:33
April 10 2013 20:22 GMT
#92
This clearly shows that the Blizzard staff are clearly uneducated and are complete historical imbeciles.

Firstly the map does not depict a Nazi Swastika. The Nazi emblem has 90 degree bends clockwise, as the map shows the bends to the counter clockwise.

MAP
[image loading]

NAZI version
[image loading]

However, I do feel, a good usage of the symbol, and clearly the map was based off the inverse symbols usage at the Red Swastika School which is a government aided PRIMARY school in Singapore. Possibly the Broodwar map designer was a former student?
[image loading]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Swastika_School

While both directions are consider swastikas, as they are the inverse of each other, only the RIGHT HAND bend is associated with the Nazi party.

More information on the symbol, which has many many meanings, can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4736 Posts
April 10 2013 20:24 GMT
#93
On April 11 2013 05:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 05:03 jinorazi wrote:
On April 11 2013 05:00 eskimoaN wrote:
that's a manji, not a swastika... I've seen it on temples in Korea. It's a symbol of good luck. Here are some links:

http://koreantemples.com/?p=75
http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/swastika.htm


thats the thing, most people (and blizzard) dont give a single fuck on correctness and would cry foul.
everything in the world revolves around western culture, who gives a fuck about asian culture.


Its on the EU server, where Germany is and it is illegal to have the symbol in a game in Germany.


Where does the uploader comes from? Thats the only thing that matter. If he is from Poland for example i am pretty confident he would won in court should he wanted to challange Blizzard (we have some precedences in similiar cases). Obviously noone is going to sue Blizzard for something like that, too much trouble for too little gain.

Ps. We have laws prohibiting Nazi propaganda but it has been already established in courts that symbol itself does not constitute nazi propaganda.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
April 10 2013 20:24 GMT
#94
On April 11 2013 05:22 Grimmyman123 wrote:
This clearly shows that the Blizzard staff are clearly uneducated and are complete historical imbeciles.

Ironic, when you clearly lack common sense yourself.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 20:25 GMT
#95
On April 11 2013 05:19 urashimakt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 04:57 Shikyo wrote:
On April 11 2013 04:53 motbob wrote:
If the original Sniper Ridge map did not exist, no one would claim that removing the b.net version is a perfectly legitimate exercise of Blizzard's power. The fact that the original map does exist does not change the situation in any significant way. There is no case against Blizzard here. The map seems intentionally offensive to anyone who did not follow competitive BW, and more than 99% of the b.net community did not follow competitive BW. The fact that "it's backwards" is not significant either in determining whether the map is offensive.

How? "The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good" or "auspicious," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good". "

That's totally different from the nazi one o_O How can people even mix them up, they're 45 degrees bent to begin with

Again the finnish air force had those exact ones

You already know how it's offensive. Show a Westerner a swastika or a sauwastika and 99 times out of 100 they'll tell you that's the Nazi symbol of hatred. It doesn't matter that you specifically have looked into the origin of the symbol, it matters that there are 99 other people to match you who haven't. Additionally, both versions (left-facing and right-facing) were present in the Nazi regime, although only one of them was used on the flag.

Bottom line, it would be a huge battle for Blizzard to host such a map on their servers (you'll notice it already got reported, so someone obviously noticed and objected to it) and it's a much safer route just to remove it. The suspension is unfortunate.


It was also on the EU server and Germany still makes showing the Swastika in any format illegal. If you read the wiki, they still have problems with Neo Nazi in 2005. I doubt they have gone away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_§_86a

Still on the books to this day.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 10 2013 20:25 GMT
#96
They do realize that isn't even a "bad" Swastika right?
[image loading]

That is the nazi swastika, notice the change in the angle at which the symbol is set. That is the one people hate because of it's significance with the Nazi Party
[image loading]

This is the indian swastika, this one is a symbol of auspiciousness and has been a symbol from the Indus Valley since time immemorial, look at the similarity.

This is sheer ignorance.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:32:33
April 10 2013 20:27 GMT
#97
On April 11 2013 05:24 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 05:22 Grimmyman123 wrote:
This clearly shows that the Blizzard staff are clearly uneducated and are complete historical imbeciles.

Ironic, when you clearly lack common sense yourself.


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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
April 10 2013 20:27 GMT
#98
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sniper ridge starcraft

You have no idea of the difficulties this entailed. But then again, people running a simple flower shop like Blizzard might not understand the idea of Google.
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Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:28:58
April 10 2013 20:28 GMT
#99
I'm sorry, but this ban is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Delete the map if you don't want it on battle.net but anybody with half a brain should very clearly see there was no malicious intent with the reproduction and publication of this map.

I highly doubt that Blizzard is going to take the time to change anything though. I'm sure they get all kinds of appeals on the bans the dole out. Just write the 7 days off as a loss and remember to tip toe around the sensitive natures of those who hold power over you in the future.

Best of luck
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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
April 10 2013 20:31 GMT
#100
Well they could tell him to remake that part, not ban him.
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