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isaachukfan
Canada785 Posts
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:53 ch33psh33p wrote: Ah yes, the microcosmic view of history, localized to one continent. I'm glad the narrowmindedness of human nature is still strong. Localized to a country that is still ashamed of its history with that symbol and that still has a problem with Neo Nazis today. There is a reason they have that law the books in Germany and Blizzard isn't going to fight them about it. I am sure German players don't want to deal with the of the German government vs Blizzard and the map that kinda looks like a Nazi symbol. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:53 motbob wrote: If the original Sniper Ridge map did not exist, no one would claim that removing the b.net version is a perfectly legitimate exercise of Blizzard's power. The fact that the original map does exist does not change the situation in any significant way. There is no case against Blizzard here. The map seems intentionally offensive to anyone who did not follow competitive BW, and more than 99% of the b.net community did not follow competitive BW. The fact that "it's backwards" is not significant either in determining whether the map is offensive. Excuse me, but bullshit, thinking it through. They essentially (by this move) stated that since the buddhist swastiska on SR somehow looks like the nazi symbol and are basically the same. It wouldn't have been better or worse if the original map didn't exist, it's slapping east-Asian culture. Honestly, to me it's the same as if I go someone saying "hi, you're nice" and they interpret it as "fuck you", now that would be my bad if I didn't correct them and made sure they understood that I meant the opposite. Regardless, the swastika being a sun-symbol etc is suppsoed to be common knowledge?? I don't get it | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:57 Plansix wrote: Localized to a country that is still ashamed of its history with that symbol and that still has a problem with Neo Nazis today. There is a reason they have that law the books in Germany and Blizzard isn't going to fight them about it. I am sure German players don't want to deal with the of the German government vs Blizzard and the map that kinda looks like a Nazi symbol. Keep in mind the Blizzard GM did not say, "The symbol is considered offensive to some people, even though you did not mean it to be and are copying a map that uses a traditional interpretation of the symbol." The GM said, "You tried to offend people with an offensive symbol." That's what the ban and upholding it means. | ||
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CrugerDK
Denmark323 Posts
but i can understand why they ban the map. regardless of whether it is acutally the nazy symbol or not - it IS being associated with the nazis. The game is a global game,and you can't expect symbols that are considered this offensive somewhere, to be allowed just because its not somewhere else. It really doesn't matter if its used in religious context in some parts of Asia - when its a complete no go in places like Germany. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:44 andrewlt wrote: Disagree. It is associated with the Nazi party in the western world, which is a small, albeit loud part of the world population. It is still a holy symbol in places like China and India, which comprise a huge chunk of the world's population. If anything, these type of policies are pretty racist against Asians. Exactly. All one needs to do is go to the Wikipedia page on swastika to see an extensive list of the symbol's uses outside of Nazism (and it's a fairly simple shape, so it's not a surprise to see it randomly occur in a map such as this - and technically this isn't even right-facing, like the Nazi version of the symbol is). Yet Blizzard's employees don't recognize this, and removing the map or not, even after discovering the creator's non-racist intent, won't even comply with either of his simple, reasonable requests (unban him, or at least free up his maps to others). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:01 Jibba wrote: Keep in mind the Blizzard GM did not say, "The symbol is considered offensive to some people, even though you did not mean it to be and are copying a map that uses a traditional interpretation of the symbol." The GM said, "You tried to offend people with an offensive symbol." That's what the ban and upholding it means. Oh I don't agree with the ban or their response. The person who responded to him was a jerk and clearly he does not need to be banned for this. However, Blizzards reasoning for removing the map is totally reasonable, as it is the EU server and they don't want to cause problem with German laws. | ||
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SheepleArePeopleToo
Sweden73 Posts
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Taefox
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
![[image loading]](http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4071/4525274963_b7d8ea6e7c_z.jpg) Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:08 Jindo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Disagree with Blizzard's decision. I dislike how the Nazi butchered this symbol. More people need to learn about their differences. Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed. The ban still sucks. | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
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CrugerDK
Denmark323 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote: thats not a swastika, its the indian peace symbol, or location on asian maps for temples. it doesnt matter - it similar enough to have the same associations. If it wasn't you wouldn't even have had to state that. | ||
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cKoL
Germany29 Posts
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oBlade
United States5993 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote: Both are illegal in Germany, which is the reason the map was removed. I think that's speculative? It wasn't in the OP I read. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:10 CrugerDK wrote: it doesnt matter - it similar enough to have the same associations. If it wasn't you wouldn't even have had to state that. actually, the swastika associated with nazis is right facing. this swastika is left facing, which is only associated with buddhism and asian maps denoting temples. so, only people who are historically-illiterate would get it wrong and be offended. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
Also, I imagine most people would immediately associate it with a swastika even if it's facing the wrong direction. | ||
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