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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 10 2013 23:31 GMT
#241
On April 11 2013 08:29 Brobe wrote:
I can't wait for Kespa to bring it back through PL Fighting Spirit style.


i wish this was timed with sniper ridge remake (though not plausible at all), would have been hilarious
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
April 10 2013 23:32 GMT
#242
On April 11 2013 05:40 Jarree wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sniper_Ridge

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So why does TeamLiquid use nazi maps in 2013???? Should have known that's a nazi symbol, right? I think it's time to email sponsors (blizzard) to demand the removal of TL players from WCS.

Well. It has always been said that our moderators are a bunch of Nazis so it all kinda lines up...

Ban is dumb. They could take down the map I guess because Western cultural associations Wins. Also screw BW, forget the past, yada, yada, yada. But there should have been no ban if they had investigated after the appeal.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 10 2013 23:33 GMT
#243
yea this is really dumb
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
HowdySC2
Profile Joined March 2013
United States15 Posts
April 10 2013 23:34 GMT
#244
Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment.
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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
April 10 2013 23:36 GMT
#245
Well.. the map layout obviously was kind of an unfortunate choice but banning the publisher is really stupid.
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
April 10 2013 23:37 GMT
#246
On April 11 2013 08:34 HowdySC2 wrote:
Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment.


inb4 zion region

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zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
April 10 2013 23:40 GMT
#247
The high ground portion should be RE-shaped to represent a different offensive symbol, like the confederate flag, or something like a pentagram and see what the repercussions are...I bet they don't remove the map or ban the maker.

Shit...just make a brand new map, with ONLY that symbol on it..and name it Sniper Ridge...bet they won't ban it.
psillypsybic!
chipmunkrage
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada51 Posts
April 10 2013 23:44 GMT
#248
I think at the end of the day, the map maker being based in Europe is a significant factor in the ban.

For people referring to Blizzard being ignorant about different world religions, I would say since the map maker resides in Europe he should be keenly aware of the connotations of using a symbol that resembles a Nazi swastika. This would also apply in NA. If someone published it in the SEA or KR server, I can understand it being an honest mistake but the largest difference is that the map maker being based in EU should know better.
Nasreth
Profile Joined October 2011
United States48 Posts
April 10 2013 23:45 GMT
#249
*sigh*

A Nazi Swastika is rotated 45 degrees and faces the other direction. Blizzard needs a history lesson.
Why do I play Zerg? Because Kerrigan.
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
April 10 2013 23:46 GMT
#250
Maybe if he added more rocks, they would let it go.
GeneralSnoop
Profile Joined February 2011
United States142 Posts
April 11 2013 00:04 GMT
#251
ok....i get that it was an old broodwar map and technically its rotated the wrong way or whatever

.....but why the hell was there a proleague map with a huge swastika right in the middle of it in the first place lol!
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 11 2013 00:08 GMT
#252
On April 11 2013 08:34 HowdySC2 wrote:
Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment.

there is nothing wrong with taking extra precautions when there is a good chance of offending a group of individuals--especially where their act (i.e., removing the map) causes no real burden on anybody. yeah, it sucks that the map was banned, but its not like its necessary to have the map or that minor revisions to the map can be implemented to address the issue.

i also shouldnt have to point out the obvious that protecting minority groups is why there are so many anti-discrimination laws. plus, these rules arent restricted to jewish people, they apply to other minority groups as well.

the decision to ban the guy is completely separate in my mind. i dont feel the ban was justified in the least.

i also dont think anybody should be offended by this map's attenuated similarity to the nazi swastika.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
April 11 2013 00:11 GMT
#253
funny that this guy gets banned for uploading an old map thats been a mainstay of BW but that they cant fucking ban the guys who openly admit maphacking.

I bet I could queue a 100 games in a row and go balls out on the racist/nazi BM and wont get suspended.

But this evil character uploaded Snipers Ridge on bnet and has to be punished...

makes perfect sense.

sry for you dude. Imo you should try and go over this guy's head. Have you tried calling customer service and play the part of the mightily pissed customer?
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:15:06
April 11 2013 00:14 GMT
#254
On April 11 2013 09:11 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
funny that this guy gets banned for uploading an old map thats been a mainstay of BW but that they cant fucking ban the guys who openly admit maphacking.

I bet I could queue a 100 games in a row and go balls out on the racist/nazi BM and wont get suspended.

But this evil character uploaded Snipers Ridge on bnet and has to be punished...

makes perfect sense.

sry for you dude. Imo you should try and go over this guy's head. Have you tried calling customer service and play the part of the mightily pissed customer?


Welcome to SC2 ladder: Where the BM is real and the rules don't matter.

Blizzard is really bad about bans over dumb shit and absolutely hates reversing them for any reason.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
April 11 2013 00:15 GMT
#255
On April 11 2013 08:25 yeastiality wrote:
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On April 11 2013 08:02 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Things change in meaning. When the Nazi party used the swastika as its symbol, the meaning changed.


Only if you're so dedicated to creating an atmosphere of fear and cognitive dissonance that you immediately jump to the 'nazi' meaning and focus solely on it.

It's a popular Brood War map, for fuck's sake. Are the leagues and players using it all Nazis? Had they even stopped grinding games to consider that they might seem like it? No, because that's fucking stupid. This is the kind of thing that only happens in the west, where we 'make jobs' by paying idiots minimum wage to ban nerds from games and forums.

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On April 11 2013 08:20 boxerfred wrote:
Removing the map is okay, since it does look like a swastika. Sorry, but the first thing that comes into mind when seeing this is "oh, hitler used that", everyone stating different things is either blind or does not want to see.


What if I make a map with the confederate flag in it? Or the American flag?
Or the jolly roger? All of these things offend different people from different eras. Does that mean we should give a fuck about a custom map in Starcraft?

It's not like the map renames the marine to 'Stormtrooper' or some shit. Although this game is about different alien races destroying each other in scenes reminiscent of the holocaust (except with worse writing)...but I digress.

Most courts throughout the world (in areas that aren't beyond hope) wouldn't stand behind a decision like this, but because it's a video game map the people making the decision are basically worthless.


What? Courts rule on what's legal. Every American would uphold Blizzard's right to do this because of the ToS.

And if you think a swastika is one the same level of offensiveness as the jolly roger, go take history again and (I can't believe I'm honestly going to say this, wtf) check your privilege.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 11 2013 00:16 GMT
#256
On April 11 2013 09:04 GeneralSnoop wrote:
ok....i get that it was an old broodwar map and technically its rotated the wrong way or whatever

.....but why the hell was there a proleague map with a huge swastika right in the middle of it in the first place lol!


because its called a manja (in korean) and the symbol has existed for tens of centuries?


europeans: omg! think of the children!!!
asians: wtf is the fuzz about?
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
April 11 2013 00:17 GMT
#257
On April 11 2013 08:34 HowdySC2 wrote:
Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment.


It's a conspiracy!!!!
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
April 11 2013 00:17 GMT
#258
I do nazi why blizzard is overreacting to this so much.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1954 Posts
April 11 2013 00:21 GMT
#259
On April 11 2013 04:35 ZappaSC wrote:
I honestly think this is alright.
To the people who say that the swastika meant something else and so fourth: It does not matter. Now it is associated with the nazi party, and it will continue to be so.

The map looks like a huge swastika, BW or not, its not appropriate IMHO.

EDIT: alright to ban i mean, its only 7 days man.

It won't stop being associated the Nazi party unless we stop interpreting it that way.

Also, they left a smiley face at the end? That's unprofessional, coupled with how they pretty much said "we won't explain why, but you're wrong, so don't send us anymore messages," really Blizzard?
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
April 11 2013 00:22 GMT
#260
On April 11 2013 09:11 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
funny that this guy gets banned for uploading an old map thats been a mainstay of BW but that they cant fucking ban the guys who openly admit maphacking.

I bet I could queue a 100 games in a row and go balls out on the racist/nazi BM and wont get suspended.

But this evil character uploaded Snipers Ridge on bnet and has to be punished...

makes perfect sense.

sry for you dude. Imo you should try and go over this guy's head. Have you tried calling customer service and play the part of the mightily pissed customer?


Some poor customer service rep is not going to be able to do anything and does not need to be bothered with this. Talking to someone like Dustin Browder is the only way I would think that anything could be changed.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
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