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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On April 11 2013 08:29 Brobe wrote: I can't wait for Kespa to bring it back through PL Fighting Spirit style. i wish this was timed with sniper ridge remake (though not plausible at all), would have been hilarious | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:40 Jarree wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sniper_Ridge So why does TeamLiquid use nazi maps in 2013???? Should have known that's a nazi symbol, right? I think it's time to email sponsors (blizzard) to demand the removal of TL players from WCS. Well. It has always been said that our moderators are a bunch of Nazis so it all kinda lines up... Ban is dumb. They could take down the map I guess because Western cultural associations Wins. Also screw BW, forget the past, yada, yada, yada. But there should have been no ban if they had investigated after the appeal. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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HowdySC2
United States15 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On April 11 2013 08:34 HowdySC2 wrote: Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment. inb4 zion region User was warned for this post | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
Shit...just make a brand new map, with ONLY that symbol on it..and name it Sniper Ridge...bet they won't ban it. | ||
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chipmunkrage
Canada51 Posts
For people referring to Blizzard being ignorant about different world religions, I would say since the map maker resides in Europe he should be keenly aware of the connotations of using a symbol that resembles a Nazi swastika. This would also apply in NA. If someone published it in the SEA or KR server, I can understand it being an honest mistake but the largest difference is that the map maker being based in EU should know better. | ||
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Nasreth
United States48 Posts
A Nazi Swastika is rotated 45 degrees and faces the other direction. Blizzard needs a history lesson. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
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GeneralSnoop
United States142 Posts
.....but why the hell was there a proleague map with a huge swastika right in the middle of it in the first place lol! | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 11 2013 08:34 HowdySC2 wrote: Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment. there is nothing wrong with taking extra precautions when there is a good chance of offending a group of individuals--especially where their act (i.e., removing the map) causes no real burden on anybody. yeah, it sucks that the map was banned, but its not like its necessary to have the map or that minor revisions to the map can be implemented to address the issue. i also shouldnt have to point out the obvious that protecting minority groups is why there are so many anti-discrimination laws. plus, these rules arent restricted to jewish people, they apply to other minority groups as well. the decision to ban the guy is completely separate in my mind. i dont feel the ban was justified in the least. i also dont think anybody should be offended by this map's attenuated similarity to the nazi swastika. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
I bet I could queue a 100 games in a row and go balls out on the racist/nazi BM and wont get suspended. But this evil character uploaded Snipers Ridge on bnet and has to be punished... makes perfect sense. sry for you dude. Imo you should try and go over this guy's head. Have you tried calling customer service and play the part of the mightily pissed customer? | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On April 11 2013 09:11 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: funny that this guy gets banned for uploading an old map thats been a mainstay of BW but that they cant fucking ban the guys who openly admit maphacking. I bet I could queue a 100 games in a row and go balls out on the racist/nazi BM and wont get suspended. But this evil character uploaded Snipers Ridge on bnet and has to be punished... makes perfect sense. sry for you dude. Imo you should try and go over this guy's head. Have you tried calling customer service and play the part of the mightily pissed customer? Welcome to SC2 ladder: Where the BM is real and the rules don't matter. Blizzard is really bad about bans over dumb shit and absolutely hates reversing them for any reason. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On April 11 2013 08:25 yeastiality wrote: Only if you're so dedicated to creating an atmosphere of fear and cognitive dissonance that you immediately jump to the 'nazi' meaning and focus solely on it. It's a popular Brood War map, for fuck's sake. Are the leagues and players using it all Nazis? Had they even stopped grinding games to consider that they might seem like it? No, because that's fucking stupid. This is the kind of thing that only happens in the west, where we 'make jobs' by paying idiots minimum wage to ban nerds from games and forums. What if I make a map with the confederate flag in it? Or the American flag? Or the jolly roger? All of these things offend different people from different eras. Does that mean we should give a fuck about a custom map in Starcraft? It's not like the map renames the marine to 'Stormtrooper' or some shit. Although this game is about different alien races destroying each other in scenes reminiscent of the holocaust (except with worse writing)...but I digress. Most courts throughout the world (in areas that aren't beyond hope) wouldn't stand behind a decision like this, but because it's a video game map the people making the decision are basically worthless. What? Courts rule on what's legal. Every American would uphold Blizzard's right to do this because of the ToS. And if you think a swastika is one the same level of offensiveness as the jolly roger, go take history again and (I can't believe I'm honestly going to say this, wtf) check your privilege. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On April 11 2013 09:04 GeneralSnoop wrote: ok....i get that it was an old broodwar map and technically its rotated the wrong way or whatever .....but why the hell was there a proleague map with a huge swastika right in the middle of it in the first place lol! because its called a manja (in korean) and the symbol has existed for tens of centuries? europeans: omg! think of the children!!! asians: wtf is the fuzz about? | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On April 11 2013 08:34 HowdySC2 wrote: Blizzard as of late has gone over board when it comes to defending the sensitivity of jews. Any clan or group name containing the word "jewish" is automatically flagged and you can't even use the clan tag JIDF either. It's ridiculous that such a tiny minority, who don't currently even have their own sc2 client, get such preferential treatment. It's a conspiracy!!!! | ||
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MannerMan
371 Posts
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1971 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:35 ZappaSC wrote: I honestly think this is alright. To the people who say that the swastika meant something else and so fourth: It does not matter. Now it is associated with the nazi party, and it will continue to be so. The map looks like a huge swastika, BW or not, its not appropriate IMHO. EDIT: alright to ban i mean, its only 7 days man. It won't stop being associated the Nazi party unless we stop interpreting it that way. Also, they left a smiley face at the end? That's unprofessional, coupled with how they pretty much said "we won't explain why, but you're wrong, so don't send us anymore messages," really Blizzard? | ||
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M.R. McThundercrotch
United States265 Posts
On April 11 2013 09:11 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: funny that this guy gets banned for uploading an old map thats been a mainstay of BW but that they cant fucking ban the guys who openly admit maphacking. I bet I could queue a 100 games in a row and go balls out on the racist/nazi BM and wont get suspended. But this evil character uploaded Snipers Ridge on bnet and has to be punished... makes perfect sense. sry for you dude. Imo you should try and go over this guy's head. Have you tried calling customer service and play the part of the mightily pissed customer? Some poor customer service rep is not going to be able to do anything and does not need to be bothered with this. Talking to someone like Dustin Browder is the only way I would think that anything could be changed. | ||
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