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sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
April 10 2013 22:28 GMT
#201
While the sensitivity to the issue is okay, the decision to suspend his/her account defies justice. A swastika is a powerful symbol of a terrible past, but 70 years later and what is actually a manji should allow us to play a modded map on an internet game that tends to have fairly intelligent users. I get that the admin wants to cover himself and just make a decision, but come on now. If you find the image offensive -- which is beyond narrow minded at this point in history -- then don't play the map or watch the many replays of old BW games.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
April 10 2013 22:28 GMT
#202
On April 11 2013 07:20 Mordanis wrote:
The suspension was because of the name having racial/ethnic/national meaning? Was there some nazi training campt or something called sniper ridge?


There is a serie of maps in BW themed "Ridge":

Sniper Ridge
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Heartbreak Ridge
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Bloody Ridge
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I think the "Sniper" part of Sniper Ridge comes from the fact that the ridges make it look like a sniper cross, not from Nazi references....
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
April 10 2013 22:29 GMT
#203
I can understand why Blizzard would want to remove this map, whether it's backwards doesn't matter so much. As for the ban, IMO it's Blizzard's way of reducing the "inappropriate" maps that they have to respond to. If they simply removed the map without consequence, there is no deterrent effect to reduce "inappropriate" maps from popping up constantly, thus the short ban. So, while it seems unfair to the mapmaker, it's not exactly a tragedy, and it's reasonable for Blizzard to respond in this way.

On April 11 2013 07:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Anyone and everyone who supports the Blizzard GM in his decision is directly contributing to the cultural and intellectual stagnation of humanity, with regards to a topic that most people have an extremely shallow understanding of to begin with.


Having said that, I wouldn't want to be accused of "contributing to the cultural and intellectual stagnation of humanity", whatever that bloviated bullshit is supposed to mean.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
April 10 2013 22:31 GMT
#204
thats funny, a friend of mine has been playing SC2 with the ID "DarkFührer" daily since the day of release without a single warning or ban. He has been reported several times but the GMs have never done anything.

(no, hes not a nazi, he picked the name to troll people)
you no take candle
The Stapler
Profile Joined August 2010
United States326 Posts
April 10 2013 22:31 GMT
#205
My problem with this isn't necessarily that a user got banned for having a swastika-like shape in a map, but the fact that they banned this guy with such swiftness, and yet they VERY rarely ban anyone for hacking
applepielon
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States78 Posts
April 10 2013 22:32 GMT
#206
On April 11 2013 07:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Anyone and everyone who supports the Blizzard GM in his decision is directly contributing to the cultural and intellectual stagnation of humanity, with regards to a topic that most people have an extremely shallow understanding of to begin with.


This. It's absurd that a map used in proleague is banned. It's absurd that a map is banned for something it sort of resembles accidentally. It's absurd that a symbol which is used really commonly in the place where a huge percentage of Blizzard's playerbase lives is banned. It's ridiculous that someone who clearly uploaded with good intentions is banned instead of just the map being banned.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 10 2013 22:32 GMT
#207
On April 11 2013 07:21 iNsaNe- wrote:
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On April 11 2013 07:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Anyone and everyone who supports the Blizzard GM in his decision is directly contributing to the cultural and intellectual stagnation of humanity, with regards to a topic that most people have an extremely shallow understanding of to begin with.



Haha, like being in school hmm? Oh the irony. Nice to know you kept your sanity after all.
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
April 10 2013 22:38 GMT
#208
Way to make drama out of nothing.

Blizzard's response seems perfectly reasonable. There's no need for maps resembling swastika's (even if they're flipped around) and someone got an insignificant 7 day ban for it because blizzard doesn't have hours to sort out every single report (these are the same guys as the WoW/Diablo GM's).

The SC2 version also looks much more like a swastika than the old BW one.
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
April 10 2013 22:39 GMT
#209
On April 11 2013 07:23 fabiano wrote:
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On April 11 2013 07:04 Iberville wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:02 Sup3rior wrote:
Suprised at how many wannabe-nazis there are in this thread. It obviously looks like that symbol that is the symbol of millions of deaths and suffering in larger parts of the world. Can you really not survive with playing the hundreds of other bw-maps that exist and doesnt have theese kind of symbols in them.,

Wanting to play a BW Pro League map in SC2 does not a nazi make. It's unfortunate.

But honestly with the high/low ground mechanics, the map is less interesting.


Hmm, you have a good point.

The high ground mechanics of SC2 is total bullshit and would pretty much nullify any sort of interesting gameplay that could happen on Sniper Ridge.


It was not for SC2. It was for his mod Starbow that has different highground mechanics.

Also, its pretty obvious that that image brings pictures of nazis and WW2 and all that stuff. But at the same time its a fact that that image is NOT the nazi swastika and has a whole different meaning. That and the fact it was used in proleague for years is why I think the correct decision by Blizz should have been to remove the map and not ban the maker (with explanation why it was removed).

But very amusing nonetheless.
sorry for dem one liners
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 10 2013 22:41 GMT
#210
On April 11 2013 07:20 Qwyn wrote:
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On April 11 2013 07:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:02 Sup3rior wrote:
Suprised at how many wannabe-nazis there are in this thread. It obviously looks like that symbol that is the symbol of millions of deaths and suffering in larger parts of the world. Can you really not survive with playing the hundreds of other bw-maps that exist and doesnt have theese kind of symbols in them.,

no, actually it is not. it is amazing that such a huge event occurred and people still arent educated about the issue though.

i am fine with the map being removed to prevent historically-illiterate people's delicate sensibilities, but banning the guy was completely unwarranted. not only was it a blizzard map to begin with, but it has also been played in professional matches.


Sniper Ridge is not a Blizzard map, so how could you expect a modern community manager who has never watched BW to know that it exists? Even after being presented with evidence of the map's existence, they suspended the Kabel. That's going way fucking overboard.

oh, i stand corrected. i thought the OP said it was a blizzard map, but its actually just a bw map.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#211
On April 11 2013 07:31 The Stapler wrote:
My problem with this isn't necessarily that a user got banned for having a swastika-like shape in a map, but the fact that they banned this guy with such swiftness, and yet they VERY rarely ban anyone for hacking




I guess they dont want to take any risks because that symbol is banned in several countries and any game using it will be removed from all sales.
Maybe they just dont want to risk it. All it takes is a parent seeing the minimap, reporting it and then its up to interpretation if the whole game will be banned in for example germany.
gaheris
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland12 Posts
April 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#212
One issue is that kespa has been making ports of bw maps for proleague. Are they gonna ban kespa officals who upload a version of this map for proleague?
FreeTossCZComentary
Profile Joined September 2011
Czech Republic143 Posts
April 10 2013 22:47 GMT
#213
All people supporting this ban should build themselves plastic buble and isolate themself from real world. There are terrible things out there. Forbiding things that symbolise them is just negation of their existence. Have you ever tried to tell your friend that he does not exist. Well, if you did, maybe you realised, he still exist, even after your claim. -.-
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SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
April 10 2013 22:49 GMT
#214
If I showed that map to anyone who's never played StarCarft (any version), 100% guaranteed the first thing they'll notice will be how much it looks like a swastika.

Given it's a remake of the original I'd say the ban is harsh and should be removed, but I wouldn't expect the guy who decided to ban to know what a BW map looked like and as such I agree with the ban in the first place given that they won't have known.
kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom412 Posts
April 10 2013 22:51 GMT
#215
I actually think this is alright, just there are simple rules... just follow them. I mean looking at the map, i would say it not appropriate as it resembles swastika.

Hell
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 22:54:26
April 10 2013 22:52 GMT
#216
On April 11 2013 07:49 SgtCoDFish wrote:
If I showed that map to anyone who's never played StarCarft (any version), 100% guaranteed the first thing they'll notice will be how much it looks like a swastika.

Given it's a remake of the original I'd say the ban is harsh and should be removed, but I wouldn't expect the guy who decided to ban to know what a BW map looked like and as such I agree with the ban in the first place given that they won't have known.


there is nothing wrong with seeing that as a swastika, the problem is everyone is associating it with nazi and ignoring/overlooking manja or symbol of old indian/budhist symbol that existed for thousands of years before hitler.
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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
April 10 2013 22:52 GMT
#217
I don't really see the big problem or need for outrage. No it probably shouldn't be banned and probably wouldn't have been if it was discussed during a meeting with research into its background, but Blizzard has tons of maps uploaded and individual GMs do not take the time to research if "dong-o-topolis" really is a cultural reference and the penises on the map are accidental or deliberate, and they don't take an hour to ponder the ethical and societal implications of making dongs taboo in a 16+ game. They know that in 99% of cases the right decision is to block the map and impose a mild punishment on the uploader.

Even if you are lucky and hit a GM who watched professional BW and recognized the map they might still reasonably block it since it might offend a lot of ignorant users who stumble upon it and write angry e-mails at Blizzard. You would probably need someone higher up in Blizzard to make the decision to let a map through that contains prominent features that could be mistaken for Nazi symbolism. I'm sure that if KeSPA or MLG expressed a desire to have it available, then they could.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
April 10 2013 22:53 GMT
#218
Perhaps you could try playing around with the tileset to alter the colors so that the svastika-lookalike is not as prominent.
DigitalDevil
Profile Joined October 2011
219 Posts
April 10 2013 22:54 GMT
#219
It's understandable why Blizzard suspended him. But it's going overboard to keep the suspension even when presented strong evidence of no malicious intent.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
April 10 2013 22:54 GMT
#220
This is pretty dumb, but there are a lot of people pretty sensitive about this sort of stuff. Even a Japanese/Chinese character from a comic and such can get people all riled up about it, so you can't really do much about it.
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