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On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right?
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On April 23 2013 04:05 Decendos wrote:
so yeah hf defending your race. an objective discussion isnt possible it seems. there will be a small build time nerf to reaper and small nerfs to mines, hellbats and speedvacs. nothing big but small things will happen and thats a good thing since even T players like demuslim say for example hellbats are way too cost efficient etc. hf "discussing" some more lol.
You just want your freewin times back, that's all. Go take a look at your tvz wol winrates, I'm sure they are minimum 70%, if not more...
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On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right?
i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech.
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On April 23 2013 05:48 Baum wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:17 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:10 TheDwf wrote:On April 23 2013 04:05 Decendos wrote:
- its 6 or 7 months now since beta started. yeah somethings changed but most is a lot longer in the game as it is than only the 6 weeks since release Yeah, you can totally compare the current Oracles with the Entomb variant, and those Warhounds pushes are still super scary. - so basically you post "aggression" from lairtech then i was talking about VIABLE (= you arent all in) hatchtech aggression being impossible vs reaper into helion into mine. So? 2-bases timings are extinct for nearly a year in TvZ, why should you be entitled to have valid ones? so yeah hf defending your race. an objective discussion isnt possible it seems. Yes, I will defend my race against the senseless diatribes of uninformed people who don't even know their own race and refuse to adapt, and yet keep complaining despite having poor knowledge about the game. and thats a good thing since even T players like demuslim say for example hellbats are way too cost efficient etc. So? Is DeMusliM the ultimate judge about balance, including the units of his own race? so you are this "obejctive guy"? lol. ZvT HOTS mutas, mines etc. are there since 3-5 months now. and why are you talking about oracles than we are talking ZvT? 2 base timings arent extinct. roach ling or roach ling bling aggression was viable in WoL. they arent in HOTS while T got a shitload of new timings and aggression. but well there is hope, maybe blizz will realize that burrow is 100% useless with the high cost and long time it takes and will buff it. maybe they wont and they just nerf reaper build time a bit and also nerf speedvacs and WM. hellbats arent a problem imo, its hellbat drops which speedvacs are the problem, not the bats. so we will see how blizz decides to nerf T or buff Z/P but be prepared that patches will come and are needed. oh and btw there are also buffs needed for T...basically buff tank damage while increasing siege time would make them not OP but much stronger and would make mech more viable. also buffs to other underused units like oracles, hydras and SHs or things like nydus, ovidrop, autoturrets etc. would be very nice. really hope blizz makes more stuff viable. It's not even true. If you scout the Terran going for 3 CC you can still punish him with roaches or a bane bust.
Not really terrans are really good at defending all ins when going 3 CC. Doesn't mean they never die or something and when they do it's when they have no information that it's coming. If a terran has even the slightest inkling it's coming they won't take much damage/die unless they didn't prepare enough or they saw it way to late.
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TvZ 140–75 (65%)
From Aligulac
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Weirdly, I have a 63% ZvP, 64% ZvT and like 34% ZvZ. I'm not sure what this says about the game though. Probably indicates that I'm weak to all-ins. In WoL, I was much closer to 50% with all 3 matchups.
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Being bad at a match-up will cause you to have higher win %s for other match-ups (especially in the short term) as you'll play inferior players of those races due to losses incurred from your bad match-up. That's why you have 60%+ on match-ups other than ZvZ.
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On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech.
You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then:
On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327
On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540
On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725
So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
The game is out for 1 month and 10 days...
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On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days...
that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. end of beta was 9 out of 10 T in top 10 GM i think...and i like blizzard said back then they want to wait for the tournaments after release. now i think they will wait for GSL to finish and then patch things. so just wait.
just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing
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On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing
No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right?
TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo.
It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine!
How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES?
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On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES?
Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious.
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On April 23 2013 05:17 Decendos wrote:
ZvT HOTS mutas, mines etc. are there since 3-5 months now. and why are you talking about oracles than we are talking ZvT?
Because there has been numerous patches during beta, and many of them drastically changed the game, so you can't say the beta as a whole and the game now are the same thing.
2 base timings arent extinct. roach ling or roach ling bling aggression was viable in WoL.
Yes, I was talking about the Terran side.
they arent in HOTS while T got a shitload of new timings and aggression. but well there is hope, maybe blizz will realize that burrow is 100% useless with the high cost and long time it takes and will buff it.
I don't understand this "rarely used = need a buff" mentality. If Burrow is not useful for early agression, then where is the problem exactly?...
maybe they wont and they just nerf reaper build time a bit and also nerf speedvacs and WM. hellbats arent a problem imo, its hellbat drops which speedvacs are the problem, not the bats.
Hellbat drops are very easy to defend with one Spine and one Spore per mineral line. Once Hellbats are dropped you can just run Drones around the Hatchery, Hellbats can't catch them since they have 2.25 ms while Drones have 2.81.
so we will see how blizz decides to nerf T or buff Z/P but be prepared that patches will come and are needed.
There is no evidence to support that, but of course I am already prepared for questionable patches because some people just prefer to complain rather than trying to adapt and improve their play. Sad mentality, but nothing exactly new; weren't we granted a fascinating half-year at the end of WoL because of this?
On April 23 2013 05:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
You equate not being able to defend with awful defence. It is funny how often I hear you criticizing pro play yet you have accomplished nothing at this game.
My sincere apologies. You need to be a chef to judge any meal, pro players never make any mistake and cancelling gas + letting your Spine die in front of the Bunker is a marvelous defence to hold 8-8-8!
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It could simply mean that people are not used to defending widow mines yet, as people get better vs the new unit they will do better against it.
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On April 23 2013 06:53 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES? Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious.
What I'm saying is that most zergs agreed that the wol tvz days were totally fine. Now we are in a more balanced situation as we were in wol, and suddenly the game is broken and in terrans favour. And seriously, your middle east comment...
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On April 23 2013 06:53 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES? Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious.
Because 52% is better than 60%?
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On April 23 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:53 sparklyresidue wrote:On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES? Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious. Because 52% is better than 60%?
Maybe I'm being too adventurous and making an assumption, but if it was 60/40 I think people would still say the same stuff, just as many Zerg users did in WoL... maybe I'm jaded, but I don't think Terran users are any more morally sound than Zerg users.
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I honestly think mines in TvZ are great, and I'll admit that I play T (although have huge zerg sympathies from 1000s of games in WoL (mostly in the first 18 months). Hellbats seem a bit too strong in certain situations though. Specifically hellbat drops in all matches are a little much and we haven't even seen people who really understand how to micro the hellbats yet (how to target the cone for optimal damage).
I want it to stay, I think it's exciting, but it just needs to be a little more balanced out. I think the idea of a unit that can keep the opp in their base with them just flying in the air is awesome, but I feel like there are some timing issues that feel a little strong. Only "suggestion" (I'm totally unqualified) I have is maybe take away a little bit of medivac life, but add a relatively fast armory upgrade for the medivac to add the life back. Maybe start with 25 less life, but have the upgrade add 40 life so they're stronger for late-game harass, but weaker for early game when the damage is too crippling. It still punishes players who can't defend their mineral lines and rewards players who can micro their medivacs really well. I don't like that you can just kind of suicide the medivacs right now because hellbats can do so much damage.
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On April 23 2013 07:03 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On April 23 2013 06:53 sparklyresidue wrote:On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES? Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious. Because 52% is better than 60%? Maybe I'm being too adventurous and making an assumption, but if it was 60/40 I think people would still say the same stuff, just as many Zerg users did in WoL... maybe I'm jaded, but I don't think Terran users are any more morally sound than Zerg users.
That I'll agree with it. There will always be people who will side with their stance no matter what and it has nothing to do with moral fiber.
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On April 23 2013 06:56 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:53 sparklyresidue wrote:On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES? Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious. What I'm saying is that most zergs agreed that the wol tvz days were totally fine. Now we are in a more balanced situation as we were in wol, and suddenly the game is broken and in terrans favour. And seriously, your middle east comment...
No where does he state, or even imply, that iimbalance is OK because TvZ use to favor zerg. He is simply saying that right now the win-rates are acceptable and that zerg players should give it time before they cry to nerfs.
And I sincerely hope the Middle East comment is a joke
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On April 23 2013 07:03 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On April 23 2013 06:53 sparklyresidue wrote:On April 23 2013 06:46 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:38 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 06:32 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 06:12 Decendos wrote:On April 23 2013 05:56 Snowbear wrote:On April 23 2013 01:48 Decendos wrote:
there is just so many stuff T got to kill Z economy while T also got stuff to be even more safe vs aggression that Z is just fucked right now and whats even worse: it is absolutely no fun to play. never being able to do pressure or attack...all you do is defend defend defend and try not do die...yay so much fun.
Oh sounds like the last year of WOL,where zerg could hold every agression with queens, and where zergs could do some deadly allins. I'm sure you were one of those guys saying that it was all fine back then, right? i am one of those guys who thought BL infestor is boring as fuck and therefore played HOTS beta and no more WoL since 7 or 8 months now. so yeah guess you have to fight another guy for that. thats why i am one of the guys that likes to put on aggression but cant in HOTS since roach hydra sucks in every MU, nydus, burrow movement roaches and ovidrop are still very bad, roach ling (bling) hatchtech aggression also fails now in HOTS so everything Z can do if you want to be aggressive is go muta into ultra. so yeah....i am one of those Z that has fun attacking...which sadly is only possible by doing lairtech all ins or teching to hive...once again. believe me it would be awesome if Z would get a better early and midgame and a worse or more expensive/later available etc. hivetech. You were one of those guys who were saying that "tvz is all fine" (wol) when it wasn't! You don't agree? Let's take a look at some of your posts back then: On July 24 2012 16:40 Decendos wrote:
and yet another round for P and T in Code A. some people will be surprised by the high winrate of P in july and hopefully stop whining about TvZ. cant wait for TLPD stats. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=317#6327On July 18 2012 01:46 Decendos wrote:
+ 11 T in RO24 in GSL Code A + perhaps even 12.
why do T so much whine? its like 6 weeks (?) after queen patch and T win more and more since that. also in GSTL where zerg won everything in TvZ after patch T won more than Z did in TvZ in the last round. just give it time, it got better and will get even better. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=277#5540On July 18 2012 19:39 Decendos wrote:
exactly this. it is favored but its by far too soon to tell if its imbalanced. right now there are 13 of 24 T in Code A finals. on top level they do REALLY fine so no reason to cry.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254¤tpage=287#5725So decendos, why don't you follow your own advice and stop whining about TvZ, just give it time, it will get better, and on top level zergs do REALLY fine so no reason to cry. The game is out for 1 month and 10 days... that was 6 weeks after queen patch, where no one could know that it will turn out to be broken. and as you see i did not once say anything later on and said "TvZ is fine right now". HOTS on the other hand is the way it is around 4-5 months now. there were slight changes but dont say game is out 6 weeks...even top pros started playing 2 months before release and not much was changed since then. just hf with your free wins right now. there will be patches. i am out of here since no T even remotely was talking about "yeah maybe mines are actually too strong...". so there is not even a discussion here just "shut up l2p". wont waste my time with that. gg hf abusing No. Hots is out for 1 month and 10 days, not a single day longer. Beta = TEST version. 1 month and you are going nuts. But the TvZ problem lasted 6 months or more, and that was all fine right? TvZ winrates were a mess during those times. Meanwhile it is now around 52%, so not that bad imo. It took zergs more then a year to discover infestors. Stephano had to show it to you guys for months. At the end stephano was eating code S terrans with roach hydra, and without hot's that would've been the new way to play. But now, in hots, you suddenly expect that zergs have it all figured out after a month? Suddenly it's all the fault of the widow mine. It's not the fault of you having to learn how to micro. Nono, it's the fault of the mine! How long before zergs realise that roach hydra timings would destroy most of these mine players? Around the 11 minute mark, very few mines are out. With good micro, you can roll over the terran. It was possible in wol when terrans had SIEGETANKS, so why wouldn't it against terrans with MINES? Why do so many people revert to the (stupid, irrational) argument that because TvZ used to favor Zerg, it's okay that it might favor Terran now? Never understood that. It's people like you that cause problems in the Middle East to persist for generations. I'm totally serious. Because 52% is better than 60%? Maybe I'm being too adventurous and making an assumption, but if it was 60/40 I think people would still say the same stuff, just as many Zerg users did in WoL... maybe I'm jaded, but I don't think Terran users are any more morally sound than Zerg users.
I think there were enough Zergs that admitted that TvZ was bullshit. Of course a lot of people won't admit it and that goes either way since it really has nothing to do with what race you play but also that a lot of complainers really just aren't good enough at the game to make proper judgments. We all have mindset issues that are hard to overcome so it's hard to stay unbiased. But honestly as a terran player I think it's a fair thing to say that TvZ right now is in a much better shape balance wise than it has been for about ten months before HOTS. So right now I think we should give it more time still.
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