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Beatmania
Profile Joined August 2011
England33 Posts
March 30 2013 03:17 GMT
#221
Didn't Destiny write quite a lengthy article about the state of the game before switching to LoL? Didn't Blizzard pretty much address all the problems he raised? Was it right for him to leave if he was correct? Is he right to come back because he was correct? Is talking in questions a really bad way to write? Are the haters blind to logic?

Answer to all questions is yes, if you were wondering. :D

GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 30 2013 06:29 GMT
#222
On March 30 2013 03:40 Areon wrote:
So much good discussion, and so many facepalm-inducing comments. Funny, Destiny still hasn't outgrown his apples to oranges comparisons; MLG and IPL streaming 24/7 has absolutely nothing to do with over-saturation in terms of major weekend events running for weeks and months in a row. Those are so completely different, these nitpicky comments are just... I don't... how...
Anyways, while Blizzard has hurt the tournament scene by not releasing LAN publicly, they're genuinely interested in helping out the scene as best as they can within their limits, which isn't at all unreasonable for a major business to do. We all hate DRM, but really, we're at the point where you need some serious comprehension help if you don't get why Blizzard felt it was in their best interest to do it like this.
And sure, Incontrol would get a lot less shit by not "marketing" himself as a pro player but what the fuck dude, who the hell are you to tell people what they can and can't do? He's stated that so much of his passion for the game comes from playing it, and while it might be the biggest waste of time in his life, if he genuinely enjoys wtf he's doing and kicks some ass before he hangs up the mouse, why the fuck not? Why the fuck not. It's a bit sad that personal tensions are still generating comments like that.


What are you talking about? He never told Incontrol what he can or can't do. He just said that if he'd marketed himself differently, he'd get less haters and maybe be more successful.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
NostalgiaTalex
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada113 Posts
March 30 2013 15:48 GMT
#223
Ah! I'll have to check this out, love watching ChanmanV :D
Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 30 2013 16:11 GMT
#224
I'm gonna watch because Steven knows his shit. It's about streaming and how to make good money with it. Destiny as an independent player who built up everything he had by himself is probably better suited than anyone else.
And that's what this is about. Not about the retarded gang provocation that was that horrible ITG episode.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 17:21:53
March 30 2013 17:18 GMT
#225
Interesting to see what happens. GL ChanMan and Destiny.
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
March 30 2013 17:21 GMT
#226
On March 31 2013 02:18 bokchoi wrote:
Wolves, throwing the game


Wrong thread.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
March 30 2013 17:22 GMT
#227
On March 31 2013 02:21 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 02:18 bokchoi wrote:
Wolves, throwing the game


Wrong thread.


lol yeah noticed. was hoping to be able to ninja edit :[
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 17:45:36
March 30 2013 17:43 GMT
#228
Well, I think as long as Destiny doesn't pull out something random out of his ass like he did with the whole "SC2 is dying" crap then I think this show could have potential. First episode was okay. Always room for improvement.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 30 2013 23:03 GMT
#229
On March 30 2013 15:29 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 03:40 Areon wrote:
So much good discussion, and so many facepalm-inducing comments. Funny, Destiny still hasn't outgrown his apples to oranges comparisons; MLG and IPL streaming 24/7 has absolutely nothing to do with over-saturation in terms of major weekend events running for weeks and months in a row. Those are so completely different, these nitpicky comments are just... I don't... how...
Anyways, while Blizzard has hurt the tournament scene by not releasing LAN publicly, they're genuinely interested in helping out the scene as best as they can within their limits, which isn't at all unreasonable for a major business to do. We all hate DRM, but really, we're at the point where you need some serious comprehension help if you don't get why Blizzard felt it was in their best interest to do it like this.
And sure, Incontrol would get a lot less shit by not "marketing" himself as a pro player but what the fuck dude, who the hell are you to tell people what they can and can't do? He's stated that so much of his passion for the game comes from playing it, and while it might be the biggest waste of time in his life, if he genuinely enjoys wtf he's doing and kicks some ass before he hangs up the mouse, why the fuck not? Why the fuck not. It's a bit sad that personal tensions are still generating comments like that.


What are you talking about? He never told Incontrol what he can or can't do. He just said that if he'd marketed himself differently, he'd get less haters and maybe be more successful.

To be frank, any player trying to give incontrol advice about self-marketing should probably think better of it.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 31 2013 03:44 GMT
#230
On March 31 2013 08:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 15:29 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 30 2013 03:40 Areon wrote:
So much good discussion, and so many facepalm-inducing comments. Funny, Destiny still hasn't outgrown his apples to oranges comparisons; MLG and IPL streaming 24/7 has absolutely nothing to do with over-saturation in terms of major weekend events running for weeks and months in a row. Those are so completely different, these nitpicky comments are just... I don't... how...
Anyways, while Blizzard has hurt the tournament scene by not releasing LAN publicly, they're genuinely interested in helping out the scene as best as they can within their limits, which isn't at all unreasonable for a major business to do. We all hate DRM, but really, we're at the point where you need some serious comprehension help if you don't get why Blizzard felt it was in their best interest to do it like this.
And sure, Incontrol would get a lot less shit by not "marketing" himself as a pro player but what the fuck dude, who the hell are you to tell people what they can and can't do? He's stated that so much of his passion for the game comes from playing it, and while it might be the biggest waste of time in his life, if he genuinely enjoys wtf he's doing and kicks some ass before he hangs up the mouse, why the fuck not? Why the fuck not. It's a bit sad that personal tensions are still generating comments like that.


What are you talking about? He never told Incontrol what he can or can't do. He just said that if he'd marketed himself differently, he'd get less haters and maybe be more successful.

To be frank, any player trying to give incontrol advice about self-marketing should probably think better of it.


He's not giving him advice. He's talking about streaming and what people can do to be more successful at streaming. He used Incontrol as an example, just as he used Athene as an example.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
SheepleArePeopleToo
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden73 Posts
March 31 2013 03:48 GMT
#231
No one watches your show? add destiny! that'll rake up some viewers!

But that doesn't mean it will be good!
Bigot fallacy - Anyone who dislike what I like and like what I dislike is a bigot
PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-31 04:11:08
March 31 2013 04:10 GMT
#232
I'm going to watch this show, it'll be great to have Destiny back. By the way, the people who you guys call "Destiny fans" are fans of SC2 who happen to like Destiny to. And all the generalizations about his "fanbase" are pretty rediculous, I would bet most of them are STILL SC2 fans whether Destiny is in the scene or not. Now for all the "important people opinions," its just going to be unfair, Destiny is a very logical person, despite his sometimes erratic behavior, but no matter how logical his opinion is, a big community figure white knighting auto wins an argument because he is considered "legitimate". There is definitely an epidemic of Elitism in the community.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 31 2013 08:32 GMT
#233
Finally finished the episode. Good stuff overall. I thought that Destiny interrupted Chanman a bit too much sometimes, but other than that, no complaints.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-31 08:43:25
March 31 2013 08:37 GMT
#234
On March 30 2013 12:17 Beatmania wrote:
Didn't Destiny write quite a lengthy article about the state of the game before switching to LoL? Didn't Blizzard pretty much address all the problems he raised? Was it right for him to leave if he was correct? Is he right to come back because he was correct? Is talking in questions a really bad way to write? Are the haters blind to logic?

Answer to all questions is yes, if you were wondering. :D



Actually they didn't dress the fundenemntal problem. Destinys POV is more nuanced than most people realize. What Destiny wants is a change in business model as Blizzard needs to be able to monetize the game better --> Which means they can devote further ressources into developing the game faster (like with better monetizing we would have gotton much of the stuff HOTS gave us alot faster).
In the ITG episode Idra was actually the only one who seemed to have a decent grasp of Destinys POV (for the most part). However he argued that there was just no way Blizzard could implement things faster as sc2 was too small of a priority. But with a change of business model, Blizzard would be much more incentivized to get things done faster.

On March 31 2013 17:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Finally finished the episode. Good stuff overall. I thought that Destiny interrupted Chanman a bit too much sometimes, but other than that, no complaints.


Yeh, Destiny needs to cool down a bit some times, espeically if they bring in a 3rd guy next week (to create more discussion).

On March 31 2013 02:43 Disengaged wrote:
Well, I think as long as Destiny doesn't pull out something random out of his ass like he did with the whole "SC2 is dying" crap then I think this show could have potential. First episode was okay. Always room for improvement.



Pulled out of his ass? He did write a long article. If you think he is wrong, then please specificy why his arguments aren't valid.
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
April 02 2013 17:09 GMT
#235
Unfiltered #2 this Thursday 6pm EST. Destiny and I will be talking about the details of the Blizzard announcement tonight and details of computer parts we recommend you get for your gaming/streaming rig (CPU/Video Card/Cam/Mic/etc). Feel free to tell us your recommendations too!
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
April 02 2013 17:15 GMT
#236
cool looking forward to it
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#237
On March 31 2013 17:37 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 12:17 Beatmania wrote:
Didn't Destiny write quite a lengthy article about the state of the game before switching to LoL? Didn't Blizzard pretty much address all the problems he raised? Was it right for him to leave if he was correct? Is he right to come back because he was correct? Is talking in questions a really bad way to write? Are the haters blind to logic?

Answer to all questions is yes, if you were wondering. :D



Actually they didn't dress the fundenemntal problem. Destinys POV is more nuanced than most people realize. What Destiny wants is a change in business model as Blizzard needs to be able to monetize the game better --> Which means they can devote further ressources into developing the game faster (like with better monetizing we would have gotton much of the stuff HOTS gave us alot faster).
In the ITG episode Idra was actually the only one who seemed to have a decent grasp of Destinys POV (for the most part). However he argued that there was just no way Blizzard could implement things faster as sc2 was too small of a priority. But with a change of business model, Blizzard would be much more incentivized to get things done faster.

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 17:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Finally finished the episode. Good stuff overall. I thought that Destiny interrupted Chanman a bit too much sometimes, but other than that, no complaints.


Yeh, Destiny needs to cool down a bit some times, espeically if they bring in a 3rd guy next week (to create more discussion).

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 02:43 Disengaged wrote:
Well, I think as long as Destiny doesn't pull out something random out of his ass like he did with the whole "SC2 is dying" crap then I think this show could have potential. First episode was okay. Always room for improvement.



Pulled out of his ass? He did write a long article. If you think he is wrong, then please specificy why his arguments aren't valid.


Maybe because his premise was wrong. His thesis didn't pan out. Top that off with the fact that SC2 isn't dying, and that would allow us to conclude that maybe he jumped the gun a little bit.

On the topic of this show, I don't know how it is going to work. Destiny is known to have strong opinions, but that isn't bad since he has had intelligent opinions in many cases. I think that so long as everything pans out well and no real drama pops up, it will be a good show, though I probably won't watch it.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Gonzo103
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany220 Posts
April 02 2013 17:36 GMT
#238
Yeah looking forward to it.

I hope the community will calm down a bit on the whole Destiny Topic and trays to listen to the arguments more closely.

Keep your good work going Mr. ChanmanV!
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 02 2013 17:55 GMT
#239
Looking forward to tuning.

It's good to have someone who isn't afraid to speak their mind.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 18:03:28
April 02 2013 17:59 GMT
#240
Maybe because his premise was wrong. His thesis didn't pan out. Top that off with the fact that SC2 isn't dying, and that would allow us to conclude that maybe he jumped the gun a little bit.


Tell me which part of his thesis was incorrect (please look at his actual arguments).

Also, "didn't pan out" makes no sense as his time horizont was 2 years. (he actually predicted viewers would increase after HOTS was released).

This is the problem with all the Destiny-haters. Either they haven't actually taken the time to read it, or they didn't understand it. The only thing I believe we can criticise him for, is not comming up with some kind of definition for what he implies by "death". (as somet people apparently takes that as a sign noone will play it).
He probably implies by "death" that the scene will be like 2-4 times smaller 2 years from now than it was in the end of WOL (or something like that).
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