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On March 31 2013 03:11 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm not 100% sure if this simply highlights massive differences in the skill sets required to play the 3 races in SC2. I don't want to say that your ability to play with the game pad speaks volumes to game balance, but I think it's safe to say you'd have to go back to the drawing boards if you wanted to reach the same goal with Terran, as opposed to Protoss. Simply from watching the speed of your gameplay as well as how you move the cursor around, I don't think you'd be able to make it very far. Protoss is a race that can compensate for a lot of mechanical deficiency as long as you just play a safe macro style, which seems to be your style from what I've seen on stream.
This statement only really makes sense if Cress loses the capacity for improvement. If Terran is more micro-intensive, he will adapt if he chooses to switch races. If Cress' micro is lacking now, it may be because he may have yet to have encountered a situation where excellent micro was absolutely necessary.
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a youtube video would be a nice addition to the OP.
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On March 31 2013 03:11 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm not 100% sure if this simply highlights massive differences in the skill sets required to play the 3 races in SC2. I don't want to say that your ability to play with the game pad speaks volumes to game balance, but I think it's safe to say you'd have to go back to the drawing boards if you wanted to reach the same goal with Terran, as opposed to Protoss. Simply from watching the speed of your gameplay as well as how you move the cursor around, I don't think you'd be able to make it very far. Protoss is a race that can compensate for a lot of mechanical deficiency as long as you just play a safe macro style, which seems to be your style from what I've seen on stream.
Well if you use the directional pad keys to move the screen instead of the mouse. It would appear you don't need as high of a mouse sensitivity. The game pad allows me to basically have my hands over the mouse while using WASD and the directional keys. Which is not something people do on the keyboard.
After putting a lot of hours into this I'm starting to think higher mouse sensitivity might be a bit overrated. Similar to how APM can be overrated. That's not to say its not a factor. Its just that maybe you should not immediately write something off because someone does not have a certain apm.
Given certain factors mouse sensitivity can also be something that should not be written off so quickly. I don't use the mouse to move the edges of the screen so that helps.
Also in Wing's I played a very aggressive style. It was my comfort zone being aggressive and macroing. In PvT I would do an aggressive 3 gate push on the terran with 8 stalkers and a zealot at 7 minutes behind my 18 nexus. I would use it to buy time for more tech, kill workers and force worker pulls. I would attack again at 9 minutes with charge and again at 11-12 min with some storms archons.
In PvZ I would like to sit on gate way aggression for quite awhile while teching up. In that match up though things have changed. Swarm hosts make sitting on gateway tech for too long dangerious and hydra's can get into positions better moving around the map. I need to adapt to these new things before figuring out new aggression openings.
Heart of the swarm has turned aggressive styles on their head. This aggression does not work anymore because of widow mines. Since I don't get detection that early. I've been able to be to figure out a few of aggressive timings in PVZ for hots, but as it stands right now its gonna take some time to adjust to the game and figure out some new timings.
So its only natural that I would revert to a more macro style for the first few months of hots trying to figure the game out. Eventually in like a year or so. I will probably be a full on aggressive player again. I like attacking a lot =). Sitting around macroing without the high aggression, feels icky.
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Impressive, thank you for streaming its really something else (;
I wish you good luck on your way to gm (;
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On March 31 2013 03:11 SupLilSon wrote:
I'm not 100% sure if this simply highlights massive differences in the skill sets required to play the 3 races in SC2. I don't want to say that your ability to play with the game pad speaks volumes to game balance, but I think it's safe to say you'd have to go back to the drawing boards if you wanted to reach the same goal with Terran, as opposed to Protoss. Simply from watching the speed of your gameplay as well as how you move the cursor around, I don't think you'd be able to make it very far. Protoss is a race that can compensate for a lot of mechanical deficiency as long as you just play a safe macro style, which seems to be your style from what I've seen on stream.
Well you can compensate for lack of mechanics by playing a turtly mechy style as terran. But yeh, playing a "straight-up" terran oriented play (more bio heavy --> actionpacked) is much more mechanically challenging than playing protoss.
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On March 31 2013 04:52 Gamegene wrote:
a youtube video would be a nice addition to the OP.
I'll try to post some video's of highlights and such on you tube later tonight.
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On March 27 2013 10:24 Antimatterz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 08:31 eNtitY~ wrote:
Grandmasters is infinitely harder to get than Masters, it's not possible and won't happen. Would you have said that it would be possible to reach masters with just an Xbox controller?
My thoughts exactly. The more I play and practice. The more convinced I am this is possible.
The main goal was always to play star craft 2 and play it in a comfortable way without wrist pain though.
Some people were thanking me for sharing my control setup as they would also like to play in a casual way, maybe not as hard core attempting to be the best with it like I am, but I'm glad I could help a few people out.
<3
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On March 31 2013 04:52 Gamegene wrote:
a youtube video would be a nice addition to the OP.
Well I tried to get some of my videos up on youtube however theres a problem. I get this Error :
(Error) YouTube has returned a non-working token. This is most likely due to your Google account disallowing YouTube sharing. You may wish to try logging into a different Google account and reconnecting.
I tried using different Internet browsers Opera and Fire fox. I did a Google search to see if I could figure out the issue but to no avail.
Anyone know if there might be a possible solution  ?
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just watched him play a game with this. hes amazing. simply impressive and stunning.
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I am really curious how this works, I wanna see a video with cursor enabled :>
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Watch his stream, it's great!
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On April 02 2013 19:52 Nekovivie wrote:
I am really curious how this works, I wanna see a video with cursor enabled :>
I'm not really sure about the question being asked. I have the control setup put inside my OP. What do you mean by cursor enabled? Could you rephrase the question^^;?
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On March 28 2013 01:01 JieXian wrote:
holyshit this seemed totally impossible
That's probably something worth doing then ^^;
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just saw one of your games, that was fun  good luck!
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Did you get the 220 APM number from SC2Gears? What's your EAPM according to SC2Gears? I'm just curious.
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On March 29 2013 17:45 VelJa wrote:
Man, this is awesome.
U are the hero that sc2 needs. :D
If only that were true XD. Events in RL seem to be digging into my ability to play a lot. I will keep trying though. Thanks to those few who believe in me. I <3 you guys
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On March 28 2013 14:33 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 11:33 Cress wrote:On March 28 2013 00:11 emythrel wrote:On March 27 2013 23:48 lorestarcraft wrote:
Does anyone not consider that the controller probably has some distinct advantages, such as mouse precision and easy hotkeys? it also has some distinct disadvantages such as lack of buttons. How do you keep 7-8 control groups of units and buildings on a controller? you don't because it probably only has 8 buttons, all of which have to be bound to other things like the unit/building command card or using spells. There are always two sides to a story. Plus lets be honest here, no matter how good you got with a controller, there will always be people who plays with keyboard and mouse who stomp you because you are limited in ways they are not. It's impressive that hes made it to master, I can't even do that with a mouse and keyboard but then perhaps it says more about the design of Protoss and their 1a deathball potential than his skill with a pad. I certainly couldn't imagine him having the same success with Terran or Zerg, you need too many hotkeys and control groups to play effectively with a pad. Actually I have it set up in a way to expand the amount of buttons I have. If you are creative enough you will figure it out. It sounds like you've made a lot of assumptions. Which is fine, but I have vods of me winning against masters players using Zerg? Maybe they were just really bad masters players who knows. If I put time into any of the races I'm sure I could reach low masters with them. Protoss was my main race pick though Setting up hotkeys is pretty effortless for me and the mouse precision is fine. The analog stick mouse speed however is far below what a normal mouse could do and its one of the first critiques people would probably notice. Over the years of playing I'm noticed extremely sharp increases in my play both from changing how my controls work and from pratice I guess. I used to be so bad and chobo. I guess I still am. I would not be surprised if I had another increase in skill over the next year and was suddenly playing at 300 apm. There's also another factor that this is not really a full time thing for me. Just something I've been working on in my free time. Who really reachs GM playing star craft 2 part time^^;? This post is just a declaration of my dedication to improving. I'm just a lowly masters player at the moment though. I respect your opinion though and thank you for posting. I wish you would look over all the information next time though before making assumptions but its cool <3 Cress you seem to have a wrong impression about the players in gm.. I would say around 20-25% are actual progamers and the rest are just people who play in their freetime
Well that depends sometimes people get worn out from work. If your a student its different because your not wearing your body out doing anything stressful.
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On April 04 2013 13:52 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Did you get the 220 APM number from SC2Gears? What's your EAPM according to SC2Gears? I'm just curious.
My EPM Is something like 150. You might place too much faith on APM though XD. Maybe I'm not the fastest player on the planet, but at the very least it should show people what can be done with lower APM's. That is assuming 200 apm is low.
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On March 27 2013 08:45 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 08:31 eNtitY~ wrote:
Grandmasters is infinitely harder to get than Masters, it's not possible and won't happen. thats a stupid thing to say and a bad mentality. True, but I think it's more stupid to play sc2 with a xbox360.controller.
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On April 11 2013 09:18 cocosoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 08:45 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On March 27 2013 08:31 eNtitY~ wrote:
Grandmasters is infinitely harder to get than Masters, it's not possible and won't happen. thats a stupid thing to say and a bad mentality. True, but I think it's more stupid to play sc2 with a xbox360.controller.
Wrist Injuries would like to have a word with you. XD
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