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On March 26 2013 04:38 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote:
A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true. DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level. No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players. The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that). User was warned for this post Spread your hate more, elitists like you harm the scene even if i'm sure you pay for events. Tough guy play sc2, shits on LoL and only watch Koreans you are smarter than me and not a racist like me. Let's wonder why for one sc2 fan there is ten LoL fans, you must have no clue and put it on the gameplay itself.
While I'll agree his point was patently absurd, numbers don't necessarily prove superiority. Large numbers can also be seen as a "lowest common denominator" situation -- I would argue this is true in any endeavor.
For every one fan of, say, Fleet Foxes, there are 2000 Bieber fans.
For every one fan of, say, Joyce's Ulysses, there are 20,000 fans of the Twilight Saga.
For every one fan of, say, Virtua Figher 5, there are XXXX fans of Tekken.
I would argue that the former, in all three cases, are vastly superior to their more "popular" counterparts; however, they aren't as accessible and can be obtuse in some ways and thus aren't nearly as popular.
I'll keep my own opinion to myself, just wanted to share my point. 
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Fenrax
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On March 26 2013 04:43 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:31 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:16 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote:
A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true. DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level. No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players. The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that). My girl friend, my close friends and their wives are all fans of LoL and could give to shits about SC2(except my girl friend). We all watch the LCS. They are all smarter than the majority of kids on TL any given day of the week. Don’t assume that that LoL fans are stupid and SC2 fans are smarter, because it is simply false. I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains. The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory. Nobody talked about racism, we talked about local leagues open to everybody. If koreans want to participate they must live in Europe or America (or do the travel every week) to actually have a good chance to win. This is why 1.8m$ injected in Korea is in my opinion more of a gamble than less than the half for a league in Europe or America.
But these leagues should by all means be smaller in price money and prestige than the tournaments with Koreans in them. Wimbledon for example is the most prestigious tennis tournament in the world and has the most price money on the line. Nonetheless it was not won by an English player since forever. If they were to make it an "Englishmen only" tournament it would lose most of its prestige and they couldn't afford the same level of price money I hope the same is true for SC2 tournaments that only feature local players instead of the best players.
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On March 26 2013 04:33 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
If it's all so terrible and depressing.....why is it happening? what is blizzard doing >_>
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On March 26 2013 04:52 Tachion wrote:If it's all so terrible and depressing.....why is it happening? what is blizzard doing >_>
can't access twitter, can you make a list of all these tweets about the change? I'd be very thankful
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On March 26 2013 04:49 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:38 Acertos wrote:On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote:
A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true. DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level. No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players. The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that). User was warned for this post Spread your hate more, elitists like you harm the scene even if i'm sure you pay for events. Tough guy play sc2, shits on LoL and only watch Koreans you are smarter than me and not a racist like me. Let's wonder why for one sc2 fan there is ten LoL fans, you must have no clue and put it on the gameplay itself. While I'll agree his point was patently absurd, numbers don't necessarily prove superiority. Large numbers can also be seen as a "lowest common denominator" situation -- I would argue this is true in any endeavor. For every one fan of, say, Fleet Foxes, there are 2000 Bieber fans. For every one fan of, say, Joyce's Ulysses, there are 20,000 fans of the Twilight Saga. For every one fan of, say, Virtua Figher 5, there are XXXX fans of Tekken. I would argue that the former, in all three cases, are vastly superior to their more "popular" counterparts; however, they aren't as accessible and can be obtuse in some ways and thus aren't nearly as popular. I'll keep my own opinion to myself, just wanted to share my point.
For every fan of Firefly, there are 10 fans of Glee. Guess which one is still on television.
The point is, it's not about quality. It IS about popularity which Starcraft 1 enjoyed in Korea which Blizzard probably wants for Starcraft 2
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On March 26 2013 04:16 Persos wrote:
Scarlett Maeve @AcerScarlett 1h
everyone in axiom house is depressed after hearing the news today T_T;;;;;;
Scarlett Maeve @AcerScarlett 1h
it will be announced publicly on 3rd of April
Scarlett just wrote this on Twitter. Seems like GSTL is in danger or sth like that.
TotalBiscuit said something about hearing bad news from Korea too. He did say it was still rumours though.
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On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out
Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore.
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On March 26 2013 04:47 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:11 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 04:04 oogieogie wrote:On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote:
A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true. DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level. Yea I don't want to hear "X foreigner only won because koreans wern't there." Why? Every time a European hockey team wins its because the NHL pros from NA were not there? You do realize that most NA teams in professional sports(excluding soccer) could mop the floor with any other team in the world. Does that stop them from having their own leagues? Do people not watch college football, claiming, “Well there are no NFL players so these kids are jokes.” There are soccer teams for tons of countries and only some are top tier. NA teams are good but they can't MOP THE FLOOR with ANY other team in the world IN ALL SPORTS excluding soccer. Come on I wanna see where is merica's curling team winning championships left and right...
I'm sure India's cricket teams are laughing at that statement right now as well 
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On March 26 2013 04:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:52 Tachion wrote:If it's all so terrible and depressing.....why is it happening? what is blizzard doing >_> can't access twitter, can you make a list of all these tweets about the change? I'd be very thankful
summary: nobody knows anything, or they are unwilling to say anything of substance.
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Something I haven't seen mentioned was the interview with Chae at the last IPL where he said that they were in talks with OGN and kespa about having closer ties and a follow up question was asked would that mean a combined league and Chae said pretty much thats what the talks were all about. I don't have a clue what the eventual thing is but it looks like kespa is out of the SC2 picture now and it will just be OGN and GSL working together in some capacity.
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On March 26 2013 04:52 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:43 Acertos wrote:On March 26 2013 04:31 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:16 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote:
A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true. DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level. No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players. The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that). My girl friend, my close friends and their wives are all fans of LoL and could give to shits about SC2(except my girl friend). We all watch the LCS. They are all smarter than the majority of kids on TL any given day of the week. Don’t assume that that LoL fans are stupid and SC2 fans are smarter, because it is simply false. I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains. The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory. Nobody talked about racism, we talked about local leagues open to everybody. If koreans want to participate they must live in Europe or America (or do the travel every week) to actually have a good chance to win. This is why 1.8m$ injected in Korea is in my opinion more of a gamble than less than the half for a league in Europe or America. But these leagues should by all means be smaller in price money and prestige than the tournaments with Koreans in them. Wimbledon for example is the most prestigious tennis tournament in the world and has the most price money on the line. Nonetheless it was not won by an English player since forever. If they were to make it an "Englishmen only" tournament it would lose most of its prestige and they couldn't afford the same level of price money I hope the same is true for SC2 tournaments that only feature local players instead of the best players.
There are other, lower level tennis tournaments that allow players to work up to playing at Wimbledon against the best in the world. Right now, SC2 doesn’t have that because MLG is seeding the top Kespa players into their event and they are one of the only shows in town. So if a new tennis player came along in the SC2 system, their options would be to play in Wimbledon or not play. But that is not how it works in tennis and it shouldn’t work that way in SC2.
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On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out
All fingers point towards GSTL out then.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out
I figure you are not allowed to say much more. Either way, all the best to you, even if it might look bad now. Maybe something good will happen after all. For that information, so If OSL isn't out, that means we will have OSL, GSL and Proleague in Korea in the future. Maybe there is a place for AA in Proleague in the future even if it is unlikely.
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On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out
I'm not liking the obvious omission here...
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:52 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:43 Acertos wrote:On March 26 2013 04:31 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:16 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote:
A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true. DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level. No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players. The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that). My girl friend, my close friends and their wives are all fans of LoL and could give to shits about SC2(except my girl friend). We all watch the LCS. They are all smarter than the majority of kids on TL any given day of the week. Don’t assume that that LoL fans are stupid and SC2 fans are smarter, because it is simply false. I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains. The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory. Nobody talked about racism, we talked about local leagues open to everybody. If koreans want to participate they must live in Europe or America (or do the travel every week) to actually have a good chance to win. This is why 1.8m$ injected in Korea is in my opinion more of a gamble than less than the half for a league in Europe or America. But these leagues should by all means be smaller in price money and prestige than the tournaments with Koreans in them. Wimbledon for example is the most prestigious tennis tournament in the world and has the most price money on the line. Nonetheless it was not won by an English player since forever. If they were to make it an "Englishmen only" tournament it would lose most of its prestige and they couldn't afford the same level of price money I hope the same is true for SC2 tournaments that only feature local players instead of the best players. There are other, lower level tennis tournaments that allow players to work up to playing at Wimbledon against the best in the world. Right now, SC2 doesn’t have that because MLG is seeding the top Kespa players into their event and they are one of the only shows in town. So if a new tennis player came along in the SC2 system, their options would be to play in Wimbledon or not play. But that is not how it works in tennis and it shouldn’t work that way in SC2.
As long as these tournaments are ACTUALLY smaller, that is fine by me. But once these "locals only" tournaments reach the same viewer numbers and the same price money as the tournaments with the best players things are awfully wrong.
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On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore.
For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"
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GSL actually doesn't mean GOMTV Star League, it means Global Starcraft League.People seem to get that wrong.
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On March 26 2013 05:03 [Daze] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore. For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"
I wonder if the omission was intentional, or just chance.
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Fenrax
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On March 26 2013 05:03 [Daze] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore. For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"
But she also said that everyone at AA is sad, so it would make me believe that GSTL is out. Also Blizzard won't kill Proleague, that would be insanity, at least I don't believe they would go that far.
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