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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:21 Doodsmack wrote: You'd stop watching Korean leagues if there was a NA league with Minigun and Vibe? Some people can't watch korean leagues due to timezones. Having koreans at MLG/DH/Whatever else makes it more accessible to everyone | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
everyone in axiom house is depressed after hearing the news today T_T;;;;;; What does this mean? GSTL is closing? | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:14 sitromit wrote: Yeah so we should just watch Minigun vs Vibe instead? No thank you, that's the day I stop watching SC2. You can just keep watching Koreans .... you know. 110% drama whooho ! | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:24 Linwelin wrote: Some people can't watch korean leagues due to timezones. Having koreans at MLG/DH/Whatever else makes it more accessible to everyone Vods and replay's of the entire tournament. Any league has this. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:12 green2000 wrote: Really this is the only way to grow, a team need sponsors and sponsors come if you have results, and if all the big tournaments you have all koreans tops you will never have the results that will let you grow, so it will be a global Korea league as always, the question is.. do you want that? Would be better for the scene in the long term no doubt. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:16 Plansix wrote: My girl friend, my close friends and their wives are all fans of LoL and could give to shits about SC2(except my girl friend). We all watch the LCS. They are all smarter than the majority of kids on TL any given day of the week. Don’t assume that that LoL fans are stupid and SC2 fans are smarter, because it is simply false. I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains. My mistake, no offense there, and I have LoL friends, too. The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory. | ||
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phoenixfeather95
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:11 Plansix wrote: Why? Every time a European hockey team wins its because the NHL pros from NA were not there? You do realize that most NA teams in professional sports(excluding soccer) could mop the floor with any other team in the world. Does that stop them from having their own leagues? Do people not watch college football, claiming, “Well there are no NFL players so these kids are jokes.” There are soccer teams for tons of countries and only some are top tier. (offtopic) You sir, overestimate the Toronto Maple Leafs ^^ (ontopic)I really think that its best that we wait for the announcement to be made, and base our opinions on the facts given to us by Blizzard. If there was some bad stuff going on, there are quite a few people that are involved so they can reveal facts not presented in the official announcement. I hope everything works out okay, and that a shitstorm doesn't happen. Blizzard seems to have learned from their ways, so hopefully things work out. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote: The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that). User was warned for this post Spread your hate more, elitists like you harm the scene even if i'm sure you pay for events. Tough guy play sc2, shits on LoL and only watch Koreans you are smarter than me and not a racist like me. Let's wonder why for one sc2 fan there is ten LoL fans, you must have no clue and put it on the gameplay itself. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:38 Acertos wrote: Spread your hate more, elitists like you harm the scene even if i'm sure you pay for events. Tough guy play sc2, shits on LoL and only watch Koreans you are smarter than me and not a racist like me. Let's wonder why for one sc2 fan there is ten LoL fans, you must have no clue and put it on the gameplay itself. Well that's statistically false, but never mind... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:31 Fenrax wrote: I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains. The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory. I think you did not expect someone to call you out on the “SC2 fan are twice as smart as LoL fans”. The because the LoL system has regional qualifiers, regional leagues and regional finals which all feed into a world wide championship. It has nothing to do with race, because anyone in NA can play, regardless of race. It is a system that allows in person, live events and accepts that fact that there are oceans and flying across them is expensive. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:31 Fenrax wrote: I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains. The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory. Nobody talked about racism, we talked about local leagues open to everybody. If koreans want to participate they must live in Europe or America (or do the travel every week) to actually have a good chance to win. This is why 1.8m$ injected in Korea is in my opinion more of a gamble than less than the half for a league in Europe or America. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:06 dAPhREAk wrote: they should allocate based on amount of money they make from each region--just to be fair you know. guess korea is fucked.....lol Blizzard neither cares about 'supporting the scene where the best players are' nor 'supporting the scene where they make the bulk of their money selling games.' A simple concept of business is supply and demand. Is there a demand for a league in the West played by NA/EU players? How big is that demand? Is it worth putting on cable TV? Is it worth spending millions of dollars on? ~100,000 viewers on Twitch is nothing when put beside the 3-4 million who tuned to OGN on TV for BW - a 30-40x difference in audience size from a country with 1/20th the population of the West. That's the sort of scale we're dealing with when it comes to 'big money,' the sort of attendance and viewership that keeps physical sports organizations and their sponsors awake at night. Dal Jong Yin cited a figure of ~$120 million market size in 2010 for the Korean eSports market, which is within the range of professional baseball in Korea at $160 million. What is the viewership size for Western eSports? Is it within the same ball park? At a per capita level, no way. 3-4 million out of a country of 50 million is 7% of the population. 7% of the population of NA + EU is 56 million people. Imagine 56 million people watching eSports every night? The concept is ludicrous to those of us who've been following Western eSports. Yet, Western eSports is growing, and big companies are starting to pay attention albeit mainly at LoL, which has reached the millions+ viewer base - albeit only for its first $1 million tournament - that makes sponsors go 'what?' Blizzard's moves to restructure eSports has a lot to do with the future Blizzard execs are starting to see in this field, and the question they're all asking is, logically - is this just a Korean thing? In the past it was, but with the success of LoL, WCS, and MLG, in that order, heads are starting to turn. But I digress. The bottom line is that commercial support for eSports is not fundamentally a question of where are the best players / where do companies sell games. It's a matter of the market for eSports. Simple enough, yet people forget it. The amount of Starcraft copies Blizzard sold in the West dwarf those of Korea, yet Korea is the country with 7% of its population tuning to BW on OGN, while nothing of the sort existed in the West. As for having the best players, I don't think that mattered to OGN when they started broadcasting Starcraft on TV back in 2000. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
Or where Korean-based teams can no longer participate in foreign tournaments Just the tweet from Scarlett scares me and I hope none of these are true. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Scarlett`
Canada2385 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote: If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years. OSL isn't out | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:11 Plansix wrote: Why? Every time a European hockey team wins its because the NHL pros from NA were not there? You do realize that most NA teams in professional sports(excluding soccer) could mop the floor with any other team in the world. Does that stop them from having their own leagues? Do people not watch college football, claiming, “Well there are no NFL players so these kids are jokes.” There are soccer teams for tons of countries and only some are top tier. NA teams are good but they can't MOP THE FLOOR with ANY other team in the world IN ALL SPORTS excluding soccer. Come on I wanna see where is merica's curling team winning championships left and right... | ||
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