On March 26 2013 03:36 Schelim wrote: for people saying they wouldn't want to watch a league without Koreans: don't watch it then. i get why people might not want to watch those, and that's fine. doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't exist.
at the same time, a GSL-like league in EU or NA could help a lot in improving foreigners' skill levels overall. given sufficient prize money to make it worthwhile, teams would probably be willing to invest in proper training facilities, coaching etc and players would also be more motivated considering they'd be given a realistic chance of actually winning a highly prestigious tournament. Additionally, players might decide to go to Korea for a few months, train there, then go back and take all the foreign money, which in turn would increase skill levels and competition yet again.
Imagine (completely random fantasy scenario) NASL announces they will from now on be an offline GSL-style league which takes place at their studios. Teams all over NA set up team houses around the NASL studios (no idea where they are tbh) and start training hardcore, probably also across teams as people tend to be friends with each other in the scene. This alone creates a practice environment that is much closer to Seoul than anything we have outside of Korea right now. EG looks at the situation, realize they have ten times the money of everyone else and wanna make even more and send Demuslim, Idra, Huk and Suppy to Korea to practice there for three months. They come back pimped out on Korean skill, wipe the floor with everybody in the league and other teams start doing the same.
wouldn't that be awesome?
For some people but not me. I get that people want to see their hometown heroes battle it out without the evil Koreans spoiling their fun. But this is a ridiculous amount of resources to dedicate to something that might not even work and get viewers.
I'll draw comparisons to the professional basketball world. I think it should be GSL is to the NBA as NASL is to the CBA(Chinese Basketball Association). The majority of Chinese basketball fans follow the NBA not the CBA because it is the highest level of play but there are still CBA fans. The CBA is poor compared to the NBA as it should be. No way should the NASL have as many resources as the GSL because it's not the highest level of play.
I want Blizzard supporting the scene where the best players in the world are.
On March 26 2013 03:36 Schelim wrote: for people saying they wouldn't want to watch a league without Koreans: don't watch it then. i get why people might not want to watch those, and that's fine. doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't exist.
at the same time, a GSL-like league in EU or NA could help a lot in improving foreigners' skill levels overall. given sufficient prize money to make it worthwhile, teams would probably be willing to invest in proper training facilities, coaching etc and players would also be more motivated considering they'd be given a realistic chance of actually winning a highly prestigious tournament. Additionally, players might decide to go to Korea for a few months, train there, then go back and take all the foreign money, which in turn would increase skill levels and competition yet again.
Imagine (completely random fantasy scenario) NASL announces they will from now on be an offline GSL-style league which takes place at their studios. Teams all over NA set up team houses around the NASL studios (no idea where they are tbh) and start training hardcore, probably also across teams as people tend to be friends with each other in the scene. This alone creates a practice environment that is much closer to Seoul than anything we have outside of Korea right now. EG looks at the situation, realize they have ten times the money of everyone else and wanna make even more and send Demuslim, Idra, Huk and Suppy to Korea to practice there for three months. They come back pimped out on Korean skill, wipe the floor with everybody in the league and other teams start doing the same.
wouldn't that be awesome?
For some people but not me. I get that people want to see their hometown heroes battle it out without the evil Koreans spoiling their fun. But this is a ridiculous amount of resources to dedicate to something that might not even work and get viewers.
I'll draw comparisons to the professional basketball world. I think it should be GSL is to the NBA as NASL is to the CBA(Chinese Basketball Association). The majority of Chinese basketball fans follow the NBA not the CBA because it is the highest level of play but there are still CBA fans. The CBA is poor compared to the NBA as it should be. No way should the NASL have as many resources as the GSL because it's not the highest level of play.
I want Blizzard supporting the scene where the best players in the world are.
Blizzard should support the entire scene.
Sure but I don't want Blizzard allocating the same amount of resources to the NA/EU region compared to Korea.
On March 26 2013 03:36 Schelim wrote: for people saying they wouldn't want to watch a league without Koreans: don't watch it then. i get why people might not want to watch those, and that's fine. doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't exist.
at the same time, a GSL-like league in EU or NA could help a lot in improving foreigners' skill levels overall. given sufficient prize money to make it worthwhile, teams would probably be willing to invest in proper training facilities, coaching etc and players would also be more motivated considering they'd be given a realistic chance of actually winning a highly prestigious tournament. Additionally, players might decide to go to Korea for a few months, train there, then go back and take all the foreign money, which in turn would increase skill levels and competition yet again.
Imagine (completely random fantasy scenario) NASL announces they will from now on be an offline GSL-style league which takes place at their studios. Teams all over NA set up team houses around the NASL studios (no idea where they are tbh) and start training hardcore, probably also across teams as people tend to be friends with each other in the scene. This alone creates a practice environment that is much closer to Seoul than anything we have outside of Korea right now. EG looks at the situation, realize they have ten times the money of everyone else and wanna make even more and send Demuslim, Idra, Huk and Suppy to Korea to practice there for three months. They come back pimped out on Korean skill, wipe the floor with everybody in the league and other teams start doing the same.
wouldn't that be awesome?
For some people but not me. I get that people want to see their hometown heroes battle it out without the evil Koreans spoiling their fun. But this is a ridiculous amount of resources to dedicate to something that might not even work and get viewers.
I'll draw comparisons to the professional basketball world. I think it should be GSL is to the NBA as NASL is to the CBA(Chinese Basketball Association). The majority of Chinese basketball fans follow the NBA not the CBA because it is the highest level of play but there are still CBA fans. The CBA is poor compared to the NBA as it should be. No way should the NASL have as many resources as the GSL because it's not the highest level of play.
I want Blizzard supporting the scene where the best players in the world are.
Blizzard should support the entire scene.
Sure but I don't want Blizzard allocating the same amount of resources to the NA/EU region compared to Korea.
they should allocate based on amount of money they make from each region--just to be fair you know. guess korea is fucked.....lol
On March 26 2013 03:36 Schelim wrote: for people saying they wouldn't want to watch a league without Koreans: don't watch it then. i get why people might not want to watch those, and that's fine. doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't exist.
at the same time, a GSL-like league in EU or NA could help a lot in improving foreigners' skill levels overall. given sufficient prize money to make it worthwhile, teams would probably be willing to invest in proper training facilities, coaching etc and players would also be more motivated considering they'd be given a realistic chance of actually winning a highly prestigious tournament. Additionally, players might decide to go to Korea for a few months, train there, then go back and take all the foreign money, which in turn would increase skill levels and competition yet again.
Imagine (completely random fantasy scenario) NASL announces they will from now on be an offline GSL-style league which takes place at their studios. Teams all over NA set up team houses around the NASL studios (no idea where they are tbh) and start training hardcore, probably also across teams as people tend to be friends with each other in the scene. This alone creates a practice environment that is much closer to Seoul than anything we have outside of Korea right now. EG looks at the situation, realize they have ten times the money of everyone else and wanna make even more and send Demuslim, Idra, Huk and Suppy to Korea to practice there for three months. They come back pimped out on Korean skill, wipe the floor with everybody in the league and other teams start doing the same.
wouldn't that be awesome?
For some people but not me. I get that people want to see their hometown heroes battle it out without the evil Koreans spoiling their fun. But this is a ridiculous amount of resources to dedicate to something that might not even work and get viewers.
I'll draw comparisons to the professional basketball world. I think it should be GSL is to the NBA as NASL is to the CBA(Chinese Basketball Association). The majority of Chinese basketball fans follow the NBA not the CBA because it is the highest level of play but there are still CBA fans. The CBA is poor compared to the NBA as it should be. No way should the NASL have as many resources as the GSL because it's not the highest level of play.
I want Blizzard supporting the scene where the best players in the world are.
Blizzard should support the entire scene.
Sure but I don't want Blizzard allocating the same amount of resources to the NA/EU region compared to Korea.
That sounds kinda backwards to me considering Korea is just one country and you are comparing it to entire continents.
There's a lot more potential growth outside Korea, which is something that also deserves their attention.
On March 26 2013 03:36 Schelim wrote: for people saying they wouldn't want to watch a league without Koreans: don't watch it then. i get why people might not want to watch those, and that's fine. doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't exist.
at the same time, a GSL-like league in EU or NA could help a lot in improving foreigners' skill levels overall. given sufficient prize money to make it worthwhile, teams would probably be willing to invest in proper training facilities, coaching etc and players would also be more motivated considering they'd be given a realistic chance of actually winning a highly prestigious tournament. Additionally, players might decide to go to Korea for a few months, train there, then go back and take all the foreign money, which in turn would increase skill levels and competition yet again.
Imagine (completely random fantasy scenario) NASL announces they will from now on be an offline GSL-style league which takes place at their studios. Teams all over NA set up team houses around the NASL studios (no idea where they are tbh) and start training hardcore, probably also across teams as people tend to be friends with each other in the scene. This alone creates a practice environment that is much closer to Seoul than anything we have outside of Korea right now. EG looks at the situation, realize they have ten times the money of everyone else and wanna make even more and send Demuslim, Idra, Huk and Suppy to Korea to practice there for three months. They come back pimped out on Korean skill, wipe the floor with everybody in the league and other teams start doing the same.
wouldn't that be awesome?
kind of like NASL season 1 to 2 transition? Where there was a GIANT backlash when the Koreans couldn't be accomodated and they had to have much less of them. And the viewership dropped hugely? And then they got their shit together in s3 and s4 and things went back up. Its a great idea in theory, but I guarentee after 2-3 weeks people will tire of the novelty and get annoyed watching multitasking and macro about 1/2 the skill of what you see in a high level game nowadays in Korea.
On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote: A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true.
DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return
Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level.
Yea I don't want to hear "X foreigner only won because koreans wern't there."
Why? Every time a European hockey team wins its because the NHL pros from NA were not there? You do realize that most NA teams in professional sports(excluding soccer) could mop the floor with any other team in the world. Does that stop them from having their own leagues? Do people not watch college football, claiming, “Well there are no NFL players so these kids are jokes.” There are soccer teams for tons of countries and only some are top tier.
On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote: A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true.
DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return
Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level.
No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players.
The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that).
On March 26 2013 04:09 Bagi wrote: That sounds kinda backwards to me considering Korea is just one country and you are comparing it to entire continents.
There's a lot more potential growth outside Korea, which is something that also deserves their attention.
Just speaking in terms of eSport funding, you don't think Blizzard should concentrate their resources in the area where the best players in the world are?
Really this is the only way to grow, a team need sponsors and sponsors come if you have results, and if all the big tournaments you have all koreans tops you will never have the results that will let you grow, so it will be a global Korea league as always, the question is.. do you want that?
On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote: A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true.
DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return
Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level.
Yea I don't want to hear "X foreigner only won because koreans wern't there."
Why? Every time a European hockey team wins its because the NHL pros from NA were not there? You do realize that most NA teams in professional sports(excluding soccer) could mop the floor with any other team in the world. Does that stop them from having their own leagues? Do people not watch college football, claiming, “Well there are no NFL players so these kids are jokes.” There are soccer teams for tons of countries and only some are top tier.
No, but the MLG has the apiration to BE the NHL, to BE the Champions league. If the top-tier Koreans would stop going there, they would have to be satisfied with being second league, like US football (soccer) or European Ice Hockey.
On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote: A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true.
DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return
Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level.
No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players.
The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that).
My girl friend, my close friends and their wives are all fans of LoL and could give to shits about SC2(except my girl friend). We all watch the LCS. They are all smarter than the majority of kids on TL any given day of the week. Don’t assume that that LoL fans are stupid and SC2 fans are smarter, because it is simply false.
On March 26 2013 03:44 MHT wrote: A foregin tournament without koreans isn't worth watching this will kill MLG and DH if this is true.
DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return
Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level.
No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players.
The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan
On March 26 2013 04:09 Bagi wrote: That sounds kinda backwards to me considering Korea is just one country and you are comparing it to entire continents.
There's a lot more potential growth outside Korea, which is something that also deserves their attention.
Just speaking in terms of eSport funding, you don't think Blizzard should concentrate their resources in the area where the best players in the world are?
I think its much, much more complicated than saying "the best players are here, so put all the eggs in this basket".
EPT
