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lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
March 25 2013 20:08 GMT
#421
The idea that Blizzard has any control over any of this is almost offensive.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
March 25 2013 20:10 GMT
#422
On March 26 2013 05:08 lolmlg wrote:
The idea that Blizzard has any control over any of this is almost offensive.


What? Such a bogus statement should warrant an elaboration...
We talkin about PRACTICE
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 25 2013 20:11 GMT
#423
On March 26 2013 05:02 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 04:58 Plansix wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:52 Fenrax wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:43 Acertos wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:31 Fenrax wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:16 Plansix wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:12 Fenrax wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:
On March 26 2013 03:57 Fenrax wrote:
On March 26 2013 03:54 hidetoaizen wrote:
[quote]

DH and MLG did fine before the koreans came and, will survive if they dont return


Times have changed since then. By now everybody knows that from a competitive aspect tournaments without Koreans are very low level.


No, they haven’t, people just claim they have. People know that LoL players in Asia are better than NA, but people turn in by to the turn of 80K every day for the LCS for all three regions. DH and MLG would do fine without Korean players.


The average SC2 fan is twice as intelligent and three times as Korean-friendly as the average LoL fan. MLG without Koreans wouldn't bring the same numbers (at least I sincerely hope that).


My girl friend, my close friends and their wives are all fans of LoL and could give to shits about SC2(except my girl friend). We all watch the LCS. They are all smarter than the majority of kids on TL any given day of the week. Don’t assume that that LoL fans are stupid and SC2 fans are smarter, because it is simply false.


I don't know enough about the LoL tourney system to have an opinion on that and the "twice as smart" part was a bit of a joke. Like Springfielders are better than Shelbyvillains.

The point is that once big tournaments start excluding Koreans, and there is no fundamental difference in public appreciativeness and price money anymore (like between US baseball and European baseball for example) we enter racism territory.

Nobody talked about racism, we talked about local leagues open to everybody. If koreans want to participate they must live in Europe or America (or do the travel every week) to actually have a good chance to win. This is why 1.8m$ injected in Korea is in my opinion more of a gamble than less than the half for a league in Europe or America.


But these leagues should by all means be smaller in price money and prestige than the tournaments with Koreans in them. Wimbledon for example is the most prestigious tennis tournament in the world and has the most price money on the line. Nonetheless it was not won by an English player since forever. If they were to make it an "Englishmen only" tournament it would lose most of its prestige and they couldn't afford the same level of price money I hope the same is true for SC2 tournaments that only feature local players instead of the best players.


There are other, lower level tennis tournaments that allow players to work up to playing at Wimbledon against the best in the world. Right now, SC2 doesn’t have that because MLG is seeding the top Kespa players into their event and they are one of the only shows in town. So if a new tennis player came along in the SC2 system, their options would be to play in Wimbledon or not play. But that is not how it works in tennis and it shouldn’t work that way in SC2.


As long as these tournaments are ACTUALLY smaller, that is fine by me. But once these "locals only" tournaments reach the same viewer numbers and the same price money as the tournaments with the best players things are awfully wrong.


That part will take time and the event with the most prestige will offer the most money all the other leagues have worked that out. Right now, winning a GSL gets someone way more money than an MLG. There might be some smaller events with equal amounts of money being offered, but there is a minimum that is necessary to make it worth someone’s times to even compete. And the players who want to be the best are still going to go to Korea, but they will come back after 8 months to kick the hell out of the NA counter parts, who will then have to go to Korea just to keep up.
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[Daze]
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany20 Posts
March 25 2013 20:11 GMT
#424
On March 26 2013 05:05 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:03 [Daze] wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years.

OSL isn't out


Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore.


For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"

I wonder if the omission was intentional, or just chance.


Well.. I guess since most of this thread is wild speculations and the people who seem to know what's going on can't tell you what's going on... We can't do anything but to wait till April. For me, the omission seemed pretty intentional.. But that might be me over-interpreting stuff..

The only things that seem "fact" (it's still speculation so not really a fact.. but my bad english doesn't know a better word to describe it.. I hope, you all know what I mean) are:
1) Something is going to happen over there in Korea
2) Most of the people who seem to know what it is about don't really seem to like it at all
jupidar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States229 Posts
March 25 2013 20:13 GMT
#425
gom becoming the new mbc so that we can run a bigger proleague?~!
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:21:38
March 25 2013 20:14 GMT
#426
On March 26 2013 05:11 [Daze] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:05 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 26 2013 05:03 [Daze] wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years.

OSL isn't out


Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore.


For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"

I wonder if the omission was intentional, or just chance.


Well.. I guess since most of this thread is wild speculations and the people who seem to know what's going on can't tell you what's going on... We can't do anything but to wait till April. For me, the omission seemed pretty intentional.. But that might be me over-interpreting stuff..

The only things that seem "fact" (it's still speculation so not really a fact.. but my bad english doesn't know a better word to describe it.. I hope, you all know what I mean) are:
1) Something is going to happen over there in Korea
2) Most of the people who seem to know what it is about don't really seem to like it at all

I wish people in the know (if they are indeed in the know) would either just leak the damn info or shut up about it. Fueling speculation by dribbling out tidbits and little comments is really annoying, and feels a bit condescending to be honest.

Whatever though. As long as I can still see Flash v Life, SKT v KT, and a GSL final, I'll be happy.
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:15:53
March 25 2013 20:15 GMT
#427
I will hold my judgment till the announcement.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 25 2013 20:15 GMT
#428
On March 26 2013 04:52 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 04:33 phoenixfeather95 wrote:



If it's all so terrible and depressing.....why is it happening? what is blizzard doing >_>

Most of these "bad news" are apparently coming from the Axiom people.

Might be just an isolated rumor or something that mostly concerns their team.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
March 25 2013 20:17 GMT
#429
On March 26 2013 05:15 Wrathsc2 wrote:
I will hold my judgment till the announcement.

Pretty much, speculation only get you that far. Besides, there are more important things in my life than the Korean StarCraft II scene.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
March 25 2013 20:17 GMT
#430
On March 26 2013 05:03 [Daze] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years.

OSL isn't out


Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore.


For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"


Damn, I hadnt think about it that way... sigh, i'm tired of the annoucements of annoucements, just give us the damn news when it matters. I'm a SPL/OSL fan, but I don't want GSL/GSTL to go either.
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ImAbstracT
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
519 Posts
March 25 2013 20:18 GMT
#431
Any correlation?
"I want you to take a moment, and reflect, on how much of a failure you are" - IdrA
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
March 25 2013 20:18 GMT
#432
Slasher make your calls and leak this shit, I'm not waiting a week.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 25 2013 20:19 GMT
#433
On March 26 2013 05:17 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:03 [Daze] wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:55 sM.Zik wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years.

OSL isn't out


Good news, then. Everything seem so uncertain that I don't know what to think anymore.


For me that doesn't sound like good news.. For me this sounds like "OSL isn't out.. can't (not allowed to) say stuff about SPL".. Which leads me to conclude: "SPL is out"


Damn, I hadnt think about it that way... sigh, i'm tired of the annoucements of annoucements, just give us the damn news when it matters. I'm a SPL/OSL fan, but I don't want GSL/GSTL to go either.

this isnt an announcement of an announcement. its a leak.
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
March 25 2013 20:19 GMT
#434
On March 26 2013 05:18 ImAbstracT wrote:
Any correlation?
https://twitter.com/sc2_translator/status/315703665665114112

no lol.... he has wrist problems
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 25 2013 20:20 GMT
#435
Maybe it's just one of the most elaborate and well planned April's Fool Day jokes ever.
One can hope, right?
Get off my lawn, young punks
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 25 2013 20:20 GMT
#436
On March 26 2013 05:18 ImAbstracT wrote:
Any correlation?
https://twitter.com/sc2_translator/status/315703665665114112


Very doubtful.
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egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
March 25 2013 20:23 GMT
#437
Lol, guys, it's almost official that OSL is over. Only the brand "starleauge" will remain and all the others will not be survived.

Also, I don't understand that many of you want the MBCrised Gom, but there is already SPOTV for the spot, and the competition of Proleague and GSTL basically makes the scene healthier.

The united new proleague is hardly going to be made, because:
First, the KeSPA and ESF have different characteristics, and what they need and want are different.
Second, Blizz. seems basiaclly not really interested in it.
Last, nobody in the scene wants KeSPA to be as strong as before (esp. GOM and OGN), because they were completely tyrants when they had the power.
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
March 25 2013 20:23 GMT
#438
On March 26 2013 05:15 Wrathsc2 wrote:
I will hold my judgment till the announcement.

Yes indeed. I will not speak till someone actually says "something official".
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 25 2013 20:24 GMT
#439
On March 26 2013 05:23 egernya wrote:
Lol, guys, it's almost official that OSL is over. Only the brand "starleauge" will remain and all the others will not be survived.

Also, I don't understand that many of you want the MBCrised Gom, but there is already SPOTV for the spot, and the competition of Proleague and GSTL basically makes the scene healthier.

The united new proleague is hardly going to be made, because:
First, the KeSPA and ESF have different characteristics, and what they need and want are different.
Second, Blizz. seems basiaclly not really interested in it.
Last, nobody in the scene wants KeSPA to be as strong as before (esp. GOM and OGN), because they were completely tyrants when they had the power.


On March 26 2013 04:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 04:43 sM.Zik wrote:
If the SPL and or OSL is out, i'm out. Like, seriously, the switch they made from bw to sc2 is the only reason why I switched, i've been wathing this for 10 years.

OSL isn't out

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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
March 25 2013 20:26 GMT
#440
I don't see at all why Proleague would be killed... it's more prestigious than OSL or GSTL. The only reason I could possibly think of is that Blizzard wants to get rid of KeSPA once and for all (running OSL on their own), but that seems... unlikely.

Also, at this point there are so many ridiculous rumors and almost no concrete information... I think at some point in this topic GSL, OSL, GSTL, WCS and PL have all been killed. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the reactions we're seeing from players, media, etc. are also based on rumors... just because someone is Korean and/or a pro doesn't mean they know everything that's going on.
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