EPTHow the flying fuck does Jim still have a weapon and ammo when he is being held captive on a maximum security prison ship?
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
How the flying fuck does Jim still have a weapon and ammo when he is being held captive on a maximum security prison ship? | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
I also didn't understand the Narud character. He was a Xel'Naga in disguise as a random, old, white scientist working for Mengsk? What happened to Samir Duran? Why didn't they just use his character in this place? I'm not sure why people don't find the Reynor-Kerrigan relationship believable, it was pretty evident throughout the Starcraft and Brood War campaigns that he cared about her. It's also hinted at in the novel Liberty's Crusade that they have a relationship. And I agree with the above post, I didn't understand either why Jim would have a loaded gun in his prison cell... | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
Good day, magistrate. My name is Arcturus Mengsk, and I represent the Sons of Korhal. You're familiar with the Confederate propaganda surrounding my group, but your reputation suggests you'll see past it. It's never been our practice to operate in any one place for long, but these Zerg don't look like they're going to wait. I'm going to make you an offer, magistrate. I'd like to help you out by sending down a number of transports to your colony and evacuating any survivors. You know, of course, that my organization operates outside the bounds of Confederate law. That's why they spread their lies and misinformation. If you decide to accept our help, you'll be branded as an outlaw too. But, it's a chance to save those people. Time to make a stand, magistrate. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:50 Scio wrote: Not sure if it has been mentioned but im sure most of you guys saw the cinematic where kerrigan rescues Jim from the prison ship and he is like really disappoined/angry that she is zerg again. Well then you see her holding his gun against her head. How the flying fuck does Jim still have a weapon and ammo when he is being held captive on a maximum security prison ship? She gave it to him. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On March 17 2013 10:04 Wonders wrote: To be honest I can live with all the retcons and however terrible the storyline is - whatever it is I'll pretty much eat it up because it's Starcraft, while perhaps occasionally laughing at its ridiculousness. But what really boggles me is how there pretty much _nothing_ said by _anyone_ that's above the reading level of a typical power rangers audience. I've just quickly rushed through the original SC campaign after finishing HotS, and I've found that Arcturus says something that isn't right out of a comic book for kids: Good day, magistrate. My name is Arcturus Mengsk, and I represent the Sons of Korhal. You're familiar with the Confederate propaganda surrounding my group, but your reputation suggests you'll see past it. It's never been our practice to operate in any one place for long, but these Zerg don't look like they're going to wait. I'm going to make you an offer, magistrate. I'd like to help you out by sending down a number of transports to your colony and evacuating any survivors. You know, of course, that my organization operates outside the bounds of Confederate law. That's why they spread their lies and misinformation. If you decide to accept our help, you'll be branded as an outlaw too. But, it's a chance to save those people. Time to make a stand, magistrate. Wow, Mengsk sure is powerful! He's like more powerful than Narud, who was the most powerful creature Kerrigan had ever faced up until then. It's so impressive Kerrigan was able to defeat him! Then again, she had been training in the hyperbolic zerg chamber on Zerus to increase her power level so she could be powerful enough to beat the likes of Narud and Mengsk, what a great character arc. But I jest, who are we kidding? The dialogue and writing in SC2/HotS is just as good as it was in SC1/BW and to say otherwise is to be blinded by nostalgia. (<- this has actually been expressed in this thread by many many people, I'll let that sink in.) | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 17 2013 10:29 oogieogie wrote: Very possibly not.so is duran dead? Moreover, same for Mengsk. Eg: imagine that was not the real Mengsk, but a (the) shapeshifter. With shapeshifting gods/xel'naga minions you can never know - when they are dead, and who is who. In LotV it turns out all the main characters are actually not themselves, but evil shapeshifters from another dimension (the void) and only Nony is real and he defeats everybody with a single probe. Happy End! | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 17 2013 10:40 Gatesleeper wrote: Wow, Mengsk sure is powerful! He's like more powerful than Narud, who was the most powerful creature Kerrigan had ever faced up until then. It's so impressive Kerrigan was able to defeat him! Then again, she had been training in the hyperbolic zerg chamber on Zerus to increase her power level so she could be powerful enough to beat the likes of Narud and Mengsk, what a great character arc. But I jest, who are we kidding? The dialogue and writing in SC2/HotS is just as good as it was in SC1/BW and to say otherwise is to be blinded by nostalgia. (<- this has actually been expressed in this thread by many many people, I'll let that sink in.) If you think the script in HotS is anywhere near as good as the script for SC/BW, you are about as objectively wrong as possible in this scenario. I really cannot express how wrong you are. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
We know that they have a confirmed relationship, what if they were both servants for Amon and just had complementing names. Eh, I can only fantasize. But I didn't feel like Narud's death was fitting of Duran's badassery. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 17 2013 12:16 Brutaxilos wrote: I'm actually very curious to see if Duran actually is Narud. It's very interesting that neither Kerrigan or Stukov mentioned Duran by name in the entire campaign despite his mutual relations with both of them (and how Duran killed Stukov). We know that they have a confirmed relationship, what if they were both servants for Amon and just had complementing names. Eh, I can only fantasize. But I didn't feel like Narud's death was fitting of Duran's badassery. Narud is Duran backwards, so it should be him. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
On March 17 2013 12:21 darkness wrote: Narud is Duran backwards, so it should be him. We all know that already. But that doesn't explain why Duran's name is never mentioned in the entire campaign. | ||
Darkaros
United States248 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:50 Scio wrote: Not sure if it has been mentioned but im sure most of you guys saw the cinematic where kerrigan rescues Jim from the prison ship and he is like really disappoined/angry that she is zerg again. Well then you see her holding his gun against her head. How the flying fuck does Jim still have a weapon and ammo when he is being held captive on a maximum security prison ship? I assumed that Kerrigan gave Jim a gun she picked off of a guard. I mean, if she's (over)dramatic enough to give an ultimatum about shooting her, she's probably dramatic enough to give Jim the means to do so. | ||
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Leopoldshark
United States176 Posts
-I expected her transformation on Zerus to look more "primal". Instead it looks pretty much like her old look. The pool she bathed in should have been uncorrupted by Amon and would turn her into something different: not quite human, not quite Zerg, but able to better command the Swarm. -The first time we hear Fenix mentioned by Raynor is when she busts him out of prison. Why was he not mentioned more in WoL? The whole "Four years has passed, a lot has happened to him" doesn't cut it. If you have to explain yourself in a supplemental forum post in order for people to understand your work, you didn't do a good enough job of telling the story. Even if Flashpoint explains some of these things, you do not make required reading for your video game. Seeing as Blizzard was very nice with difficulty to appeal to the casual player, they should have also modified their story to support the probably majority of players who have not read the novels. In Brood War, Kerrigan killing Fenix was an important event because Kerrigan asked for the help of Zeratul, Fenix, and Raynor in order to kill the new Overmind as well as Mengsk and Duke to combat the UED. She acted innocent so they would help her. Altaris saw through her deceit but Zeratul stood beside Raszagal (who Kerrigan had been controlling) and killed him. Fenix helped the Zerg gather resources for their assault on Korhal. Fenix and Raynor they both covered the retreat of Zeratul and his forces to Shakuras when the Protoss escaped Aiur. They seemed to be pretty good buds. That seemed to have been forgotten up until Raynor finds out that Kerrigan abandoned her humanity. -Even though she repeatedly says that her top priority is killing Mengsk (saving Raynor becomes the next top priority, which also allows her to follow through with killing Mengsk), she does a lot of stuff killing plenty of innocents. She orders the destruction of worlds to her broodmothers one moment, then spares 3 shuttles when Warfield asks her to. There is inconsistency in what she says and what she does. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
that said, i was okay with the plot. it introduced a couple new elements, but all in all i was okay with it. persoanlly, i'm a huge sucker for cheesy romance. kind of lame jim spent half the game stuck in a jail cell though. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On March 17 2013 12:16 Brutaxilos wrote: I'm actually very curious to see if Duran actually is Narud. It's very interesting that neither Kerrigan or Stukov mentioned Duran by name in the entire campaign despite his mutual relations with both of them (and how Duran killed Stukov). We know that they have a confirmed relationship, what if they were both servants for Amon and just had complementing names. Eh, I can only fantasize. But I didn't feel like Narud's death was fitting of Duran's badassery. That's actually a good point. I never considered the possibility that there were two or more servants of Amon. I think it would follow well that they were separate, despite the odd coincidence with names. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
Artifact-cleansed-Kerrigan can still do this. Primal-power-Kerrigan can still do this. But hey, luckily she is clear of the actual taint, some kind of mystical-dark-influence-that-makes-her-mean, but retains all her other powers, including the ability to command the zerg. It sure was lucky that Xel-naga cat-scratching-post was so selective about how it changed Kerrigan, especially given it's implied its use was sanctioned and controlled by the party who specifically wouldn't have wanted Kerrigan free of the taint. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:50 Scio wrote: Not sure if it has been mentioned but im sure most of you guys saw the cinematic where kerrigan rescues Jim from the prison ship and he is like really disappoined/angry that she is zerg again. Well then you see her holding his gun against her head. How the flying fuck does Jim still have a weapon and ammo when he is being held captive on a maximum security prison ship? She gave it to him and basically told him to kill her if he thought it was right. Raynor, of course couldn't kill her when push came to shove but he wanted nothing to do with her (or said that at least) because he couldn't bring himself to trust her again. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
On March 17 2013 12:43 Xapti wrote: That's actually a good point. I never considered the possibility that there were two or more servants of Amon. I think it would follow well that they were separate, despite the odd coincidence with names. I actually think that they were originally intended to be the same person, but Blizzard probably realized that a Narud death with slight mention of the character of Duran would be an unfitting end for Duran. They'll probably bring Duran back in the future because Blizzard. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
The missions were super fantastic and fun, I wish there were more macro missions and I wish that it got harder towards the end, but oh well, there are plenty of extra achievements they incorporated to make the actual completion harder. The story I felt was great, this OP is super slanted; even casuals in WoL loved the campaign and as a more hard-core Starcraft fan this particular campaign appealed to me. The post mentioned in the OP fails to remember the N64 plot, or even internet research the plot until now. The shapeshifter scene was fine, and those were the only forms that Kerrigan would've paused at. The love scenes was cheesy, but whatever. Kerrigan clearly developed as a character, and just because she's no longer the relentless "kill" Overmind-esque being doesn't mean she's bad. She's still harsh, cruel, kills anything that gets in her way, she's just kept a bit of her humanity. And for an infested terran, doesn't that make some sense? Especially for one who was kept as independant as Kerrigan was? In fact, rereading the post mentioned in the OP, I realize that it didn't really have anything besides insults to throw at the story; it was a great story that wrapped up a great plot and the missions were fantastic. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On March 17 2013 12:24 Brutaxilos wrote: We all know that already. But that doesn't explain why Duran's name is never mentioned in the entire campaign. but HOTS doesnt officially states Narud is Duran right? | ||
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