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On March 13 2013 05:40 Squiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days. Cause he made RO8 in the GSL Code S twice. Not many foreigners did that (if any).
Jinro made Code S RO4 back to back.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Hmm but if Bisu has good TvP and TvZ he would be better than when he's playing toss no?
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On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series. There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it. Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.
Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.
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On March 13 2013 05:27 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +In the matches it also went just like I'd wished, all the build orders were perfect for me, but then I chose bad timings for fights, where I didn't have to fight, so I lost eventually. I think I was really overconfident and I could have won all of the games." Overconfidence into overconfidence? ^^
Well, no, as a competitive player you NEED to think you could have won any games, not in small part because it's true. You just can't assume you will win, you need to keep looking for how to make it happen.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series. There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it. Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments. Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.
I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor.
While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following:
Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP
Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP
Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved?
Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.
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On March 13 2013 18:06 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series. There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it. Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments. Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it. I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor. While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following: Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved? Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.
Why would anyone not like Bisu !? Cuz you're Zerg and he revolutionized PvZ in Broodwar ?
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On March 13 2013 18:06 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series. There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it. Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments. Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it. I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor. While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following: Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved? Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.
Players would change race on the fly
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That is nonsense. If someone is gonna play "random" and pick races at fly on the stage, then the race picker is so good at all races that its no problem for him. If someone has problems against race picker, then they are free to practise all races aswell.
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Some of the questions are quite obnoxious imo. ("How did it feel being a dishwasher?").
It was interesting that he predicted Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Rain as the best players one year from now...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 13 2013 19:12 NexCa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 18:06 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series. There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it. Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments. Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it. I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor. While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following: Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved? Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him. Why would anyone not like Bisu !? Cuz you're Zerg and he revolutionized PvZ in Broodwar ?
Not an SKT fan :p
(also his handsomeness threatens me)
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Bisutopia19387 Posts
Just because a race is harder to master for someone doesn't mean he should switch races. Bisu will be a god no matter what so hush up all you impatient/terran fans he can do what he wants. Don't you guys want to see what it's like the day he unlocks the key to breaking the PvZ matchup? BvZ fighting!
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On March 13 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
Just because a race is harder to master for someone doesn't mean he should switch races. Bisu will be a god no matter what so hush up all you impatient/terran fans he can do what he wants. Don't you guys want to see what it's like the day he unlocks the key to breaking the PvZ matchup? BvZ fighting!
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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