On March 07 2013 02:47 Darkhoarse wrote: I'm gonna be honest this seems like complete bullshit. Sniper would win between the two in overall GSL points am I correct? They better have a really good reason why he got a walkover in the hardest tournament in the world.
Sniper won a GSL, Rain won an OSL, so that's roughly equivalent, but Rain is much more popular. It's unexpected, but you can still somewhat justify it.
Hell, remember when they gave Idra and Sen seeds to GSL Season 1 in 2012? Sen hadn't even placed higher than 3rd at a premier tournament, and Idra had only won IEM Guangzhou, against relatively light competition. This is much more reasonable than that at least.
LMFAO no GSL and OSL are not equivalent, mayble OSL in the future but the quality of play, Commentators, observers, they werent even upto par with GSL. I say this as a broodwar fan who has followed the scene since SKY OSL 2002 (which Reach won ). The Wings of Liberty OSL was a pretty much joke to me, I even had to mute the stream because the commentating was abosolutely god awful.
I don't see how commentator quality, observer quality, etc. is relevant to how difficult a tournament is. Beside, OSL does have that brand recognition in Korea over GSL.
it does. Ill just put it simply, BW is over in korea, well not exactly if you count Afreeca Star league. But just think about the opponents Rain had to beat to win OSL and compare them to opponents that Life had to beat to win Season 4 ^^. Btw 90% of the korean sc2 fans think GSL >>>>>>>.OSL, i say this because you mentioned brand recognition in Korea ^^ lol.
p.s: the wings of liberty OSL was a joke compared to GSL because they also held a separate prelims and dual tournament until ro 16. Also Last made it to ro 4 in OSL and Youd never see bad players like STX Last in the ro4 in GSL.
Also OSL may appear to be a joke to many of the new foreigners to Starcraft, which I guess your one of them, but the OSL has a lot of prestige to it and every korean knows what the OSL is, compared to uninformed SC2 players outside of Korea. Obviously it lost its touch some with the Kespa players being so new to SC2 but should they host the tournament again in Hots it will be a really big deal.
i'm pretty sure mongmong is actually korean, correct me if i'm wrong though
On March 07 2013 02:47 Darkhoarse wrote: I'm gonna be honest this seems like complete bullshit. Sniper would win between the two in overall GSL points am I correct? They better have a really good reason why he got a walkover in the hardest tournament in the world.
Sniper won a GSL, Rain won an OSL, so that's roughly equivalent, but Rain is much more popular. It's unexpected, but you can still somewhat justify it.
Hell, remember when they gave Idra and Sen seeds to GSL Season 1 in 2012? Sen hadn't even placed higher than 3rd at a premier tournament, and Idra had only won IEM Guangzhou, against relatively light competition. This is much more reasonable than that at least.
LMFAO no GSL and OSL are not equivalent, mayble OSL in the future but the quality of play, Commentators, observers, they werent even upto par with GSL. I say this as a broodwar fan who has followed the scene since SKY OSL 2002 (which Reach won ). The Wings of Liberty OSL was a pretty much joke to me, I even had to mute the stream because the commentating was abosolutely god awful.
I don't see how commentator quality, observer quality, etc. is relevant to how difficult a tournament is. Beside, OSL does have that brand recognition in Korea over GSL.
it does. Ill just put it simply, BW is over in korea, well not exactly if you count Afreeca Star league. But just think about the opponents Rain had to beat to win OSL and compare them to opponents that Life had to beat to win Season 4 ^^. Btw 90% of the korean sc2 fans think GSL >>>>>>>.OSL, i say this because you mentioned brand recognition in Korea ^^ lol.
p.s: the wings of liberty OSL was a joke compared to GSL because they also held a separate prelims and dual tournament until ro 16. Also Last made it to ro 4 in OSL and Youd never see bad players like STX Last in the ro4 in GSL.
Also OSL may appear to be a joke to many of the new foreigners to Starcraft, which I guess your one of them, but the OSL has a lot of prestige to it and every korean knows what the OSL is, compared to uninformed SC2 players outside of Korea. Obviously it lost its touch some with the Kespa players being so new to SC2 but should they host the tournament again in Hots it will be a really big deal.
i'm pretty sure mongmong is actually korean, correct me if i'm wrong though
Unless more koreans spoke up I'd have a hard time believing the next OSL wouldn't be taken as seriously as a GSL. However I will agree with him if the OSL does not come out in the next couple months. Their window for relevancy is closing fast.
On March 07 2013 16:55 SoFrOsTy wrote: Mmm... He deserved it IMO. He still the best toss in the game right now. No one plays as well as him. WOL Toss is struggling and yet he still has a positive win rate against pros using safe builds. He rare all-ins.
I don't see how you can claim he is better then Parting tbh.
And MC...
Btw, i really believe the last seed is for Scarlett. I believe they have invited her already, and she's gonna go to Korea to play GSTL so why not play Code S also ?
Please no. No more foreign seeds!
They bring in the viewers, and that's important. Especially with HotS coming out, they need to capitalize on all the buzz they can. Besides, Stephano has managed to show he deserves his slot. It's possible someone else can too.
Lol no, I'm sorry Stephano has not proven he deserves a Code S spot. He's won 1 best of 3 series in GSL in the Losers Match in ro32, lost his one Code A best of three, and then got a 4-man group with MKP and two relatively weak Protoss players. The only thing proven so far is that GOM is really, really desperate to have Stephano in Code S no matter what.
On March 08 2013 00:09 Doodsmack wrote: I'd be shocked if foreigner presence didn't increase viewership. And you have to look at VOD views not just live viewers. Especially if the foreigner advances far. For that reason it's justified. Would be awesome if Scarlett got the other seed.
And anyone who gets their panties in a bunch over these seeds needs to lay off the drama. We really could do without the excessive drama over minor issues.
The issue here is that many of us would rather have watch a tournament where the outcome wasn't messed with to increase viewership numbers. It's the same feeling of revulsion if the NBA started awarding playoff spots to the Lakers or the Bulls every year because those teams were 'popular' and increased TV viewership numbers.
The critical differences between SC2 and your NBA analogy are 1) the barrier for entry of foreigners into Korean leagues is very steep given the need to travel across the world in order to be in the right practice environment, which then is potentially emotionally unhealthy and difficult to be isolated behind a language barrier, as many foreigners have stated, and 2) SC2 needs all the viewers it can get. There's a reason MLG is doing qualifiers by region and there's a reason WCS was probably the highest concurrent viewership of 2012. If you want sustainability long- term you need foreigners - facts are facts.
On March 08 2013 00:09 Doodsmack wrote: I'd be shocked if foreigner presence didn't increase viewership. And you have to look at VOD views not just live viewers. Especially if the foreigner advances far. For that reason it's justified. Would be awesome if Scarlett got the other seed.
And anyone who gets their panties in a bunch over these seeds needs to lay off the drama. We really could do without the excessive drama over minor issues.
The issue here is that many of us would rather have watch a tournament where the outcome wasn't messed with to increase viewership numbers. It's the same feeling of revulsion if the NBA started awarding playoff spots to the Lakers or the Bulls every year because those teams were 'popular' and increased TV viewership numbers.
The NBA dOES engage in viewership increasing activities at the cost of competition tho
The most recent example of this would be Ibaka not being suspended after egregiously punching Blake Griffin in the groin, when Ibaka was due to play in a nationally televised and hyped game against the Lakers the next day.
On March 08 2013 00:09 Doodsmack wrote: I'd be shocked if foreigner presence didn't increase viewership. And you have to look at VOD views not just live viewers. Especially if the foreigner advances far. For that reason it's justified. Would be awesome if Scarlett got the other seed.
And anyone who gets their panties in a bunch over these seeds needs to lay off the drama. We really could do without the excessive drama over minor issues.
The issue here is that many of us would rather have watch a tournament where the outcome wasn't messed with to increase viewership numbers. It's the same feeling of revulsion if the NBA started awarding playoff spots to the Lakers or the Bulls every year because those teams were 'popular' and increased TV viewership numbers.
The NBA dOES engage in viewership increasing activities at the cost of competition tho
The most recent example of this would be Ibaka not being suspended after egregiously punching Blake Griffin in the groin, when Ibaka was due to play in a nationally televised and hyped game against the Lakers the next day.
That's completely different from seeding a team into the playoffs based on their popularity...
On March 07 2013 16:55 SoFrOsTy wrote: Mmm... He deserved it IMO. He still the best toss in the game right now. No one plays as well as him. WOL Toss is struggling and yet he still has a positive win rate against pros using safe builds. He rare all-ins.
I don't see how you can claim he is better then Parting tbh.
And MC...
Btw, i really believe the last seed is for Scarlett. I believe they have invited her already, and she's gonna go to Korea to play GSTL so why not play Code S also ?
Please no. No more foreign seeds!
They bring in the viewers, and that's important. Especially with HotS coming out, they need to capitalize on all the buzz they can. Besides, Stephano has managed to show he deserves his slot. It's possible someone else can too.
Not to mention the start of an expansion when things aren't figured out yet is pretty much the only time foreigners are even relevant skill-wise.
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