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On February 16 2013 04:00 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +He has told me that several people using the nick nitrix with some evil intent and even using prohibited programs,
We contacted blizzard about it it has no control over which players choose nick.
For this reason we do not support any more players of StarCraft 2.
Are only left with a Peter Yoo and canceled the project of making a team with the best names Nitrix community.
By reason of being negative corporate image in the community of StarCraft 2.
We had a beautiful project to 6 players with support of $ 2,000.00 per month,
Plus costs and Trips hotel for tournaments and for each player,
My boss saw these comments and canceled the project.
We apologize for any inconvenience. So this scumbag not only is a hacker but also deprived Sc2 scene of 12000 dollars a month because he is full of shit and lied to his sponsors? Niiiiiiiice
Not that I'm inclined to believe the sponsors are guilt free on all levels, but for those claiming that no one lost money, well here's a refutation to that idea.
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i would take whatever nitrix says with a grain of salt.
edit: but of course hacking is damaging to the growth of the scene, that is certain. especially when top players do it. that's not up for debate i think.
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On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now".
"it is a terrible and incredibly stupid thing to do, even on ladder, and he has been thoroughly humiliated and called out in the community (and rightfully so)"
If you didn't bother to read what I wrote, why are you responding to it?
I never said it was ok to hack because it is ladder, hacking is hacking; cheating is cheating. Bottom line, it is "mlg's choice"...If they want to let him play because he has proven he is a top NA player, i'm fine with it. If they choose that because he hacked that they will replace him with someone else, i'm fine with that too. It is their choice.
Also, wpgstevo, people do not get paid for being at the top of the ladder. Ladder points mean next to nothing. If someone was financially hurt by this they would have said so, but from what I can see in the OP no one was saying those were showmatch or tournament games where money was on the line. And teams have been quoted several times stating that ladder points are one of the least important qualities of a potential recruit.
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You're naive if you think getting top 10 GM gets you nothing. Directly, no, obviously.
And even if its the least important quality, its still an important quality. I'm baffled that you can't see how being top GM opens doors for players.
That's just obtuse.
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On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now.
maphacking actually does have a long term beneficial effect if you use it correctly, it makes it much easier to learn timings and analyze builds. the same information can be gathered from watching replays or by playing customs with a maphack, but the ability to play a 'legit' competitive game and learn to recognize those situations and how and when to take advantage of them under pressure is quite valuable.
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On February 15 2013 22:22 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Where's TT1 when you need him! Get him on the case! I have far more respect for Daisuku than TT1. TT1 cheated in games that really count, not ladder BS for a week.
i cheated in games that mattered? plz get ur facts straight. i never participated in any online tournaments in bw because we didnt have any, the only tournaments we had were wgtcl + nation wars and those didnt have a prizepool.. 95% of our games were either ladder games or customs
dumb little bitch dont open ur mouth if u dont know what ur talking about
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TT1 he's just deflecting from Daisuki for some reason. Its a common theme in this thread.
We need to stop deflecting, especially with misinformation about other players. It is damaging to their careers - tell a lie and 100 people will hear it, and only 1 will bother to fact check you. Its a real problem to give out misleading or false information like that guys.
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what is there to argue about? im pretty sure he even got caught hacking on one of his other accs a few seasons ago, that should be easy enough to look up
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On February 16 2013 04:21 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now. maphacking actually does have a long term beneficial effect if you use it correctly, it makes it much easier to learn timings and analyze builds. the same information can be gathered from watching replays or by playing customs with a maphack, but the ability to play a 'legit' competitive game and learn to recognize those situations and how and when to take advantage of them under pressure is quite valuable.
IdrA's actually 100% correct. Dino and others in sc1 talked about their ability to know timings/etc due to the maphacking having let them see the timings over and over over a prolonged period of time. When I used my maps, I was able to do "timing attacks" I shouldn't have been able to do, but could due to the lower resources/build times, and thus I was hitting people at different timings, seeing what they were doing. I learned to "feel' these timings and thus when I stopped using the maps, still retained the game-sense/etc.
I'm by no means saying hacking/cheating is okay, just claiming his comment is 100% true.
On February 16 2013 04:25 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:22 pigmanbear wrote:On February 15 2013 22:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Where's TT1 when you need him! Get him on the case! I have far more respect for Daisuku than TT1. TT1 cheated in games that really count, not ladder BS for a week. i cheated in games that mattered? plz get ur facts straight. i never participated in any online tournaments in bw because we didnt have any, the only tournament we had were wgtcl + nation wars and those didnt have a prizepool.. 95% of our games were either ladder games or customs dumb little bitch dont open ur mouth if u dont know what ur talking about
TT1's comment is pretty good, comments like pigmanbears spreads sick misinformation and people just take it as truth and it casts a dark shadow on the truth, he never did cheat in anything that mattered financially or otherwise.
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This guy is beyond confirmed for map-hacking. Mad props to Remark for doing all his background work before calling him out. People who have suspicions of others cheating should definitely undertake Remark's model because it works if done right. What is even more crazy is that a company sponsored him in good faith and he trashed their reputation by hacking.
Just hope we can exile these cheaters from the community and drag them through the mud like the cheating sob's they are. There should not be any 2nd,3rd,4th,5th chances because if this was a real sport such as "cycling,baseball,hockey,soccer,American football" he would be banned for life. Gotta up our standards people but that is unlikely. So I am content with esports just chasing its tail around as we try to make this a "sport".
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Didn't Korean pro teams use map hacks during in-team practice sessions?
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On February 16 2013 04:38 ConGee wrote:
Didn't Korean pro teams use map hacks during in-team practice sessions?
Please present proof before making allegations.
I honestly don't know, but this is irrelevant to this thread.
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On February 16 2013 04:33 ROOTT1 wrote:
what is there to argue about? im pretty sure he even got caught hacking on one of his other accs a few seasons ago, that should be easy enough to look up
please do.
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On February 16 2013 04:34 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 04:21 IdrA wrote:On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now. maphacking actually does have a long term beneficial effect if you use it correctly, it makes it much easier to learn timings and analyze builds. the same information can be gathered from watching replays or by playing customs with a maphack, but the ability to play a 'legit' competitive game and learn to recognize those situations and how and when to take advantage of them under pressure is quite valuable. IdrA's actually 100% correct. Dino and others in sc1 talked about their ability to know timings/etc due to the maphacking having let them see the timings over and over over a prolonged period of time. When I used my maps, I was able to do "timing attacks" I shouldn't have been able to do, but could due to the lower resources/build times, and thus I was hitting people at different timings, seeing what they were doing. I learned to "feel' these timings and thus when I stopped using the maps, still retained the game-sense/etc. I'm by no means saying hacking/cheating is okay, just claiming his comment is 100% true. Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 04:25 ROOTT1 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:22 pigmanbear wrote:On February 15 2013 22:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Where's TT1 when you need him! Get him on the case! I have far more respect for Daisuku than TT1. TT1 cheated in games that really count, not ladder BS for a week. i cheated in games that mattered? plz get ur facts straight. i never participated in any online tournaments in bw because we didnt have any, the only tournament we had were wgtcl + nation wars and those didnt have a prizepool.. 95% of our games were either ladder games or customs dumb little bitch dont open ur mouth if u dont know what ur talking about TT1's comment is pretty good, comments like pigmanbears spreads sick misinformation and people just take it as truth and it casts a dark shadow on the truth, he never did cheat in anything that mattered financially or otherwise.
I definitely agree man.
That being said, I'm curious what harm people think this 'really' did. I mean, it might be unfortunate that another more skilled player was denied his spot in GM (assuming he wasn't up there w/o mh) but I can't exactly see what other damage he has done. No, I am not condoning hacking, as I see the competitive skill of the player as their most important trait, but if I'm missing something about what he did then I would like to understand a little better.
edit - I would like to add that i believe it's the tournament's decision to let him compete, not mine, but if he actually realizes the consequences of his actions and stops MHing then I don't see why it helps the community to remove a skilled player from our ranks simply because some people hold a grudge against hackers. Now, obviously if he were ever caught again then we wouldn't have much reason to believe he's going to actually stop, so then a permaban/lockout would make sense. As it stands now though, he seems pretty repentant.
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On February 16 2013 04:41 Wpgstevo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 04:38 ConGee wrote:
Didn't Korean pro teams use map hacks during in-team practice sessions? Please present proof before making allegations. I honestly don't know, but this is irrelevant to this thread.
well, i don't know if it is actually an allegation. i think he means they used it for prac on customs vs each other.
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On February 16 2013 04:12 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". "it is a terrible and incredibly stupid thing to do, even on ladder, and he has been thoroughly humiliated and called out in the community (and rightfully so)" If you didn't bother to read what I wrote, why are you responding to it?
I wasn't responding to you personally, but people in general wanting to give him any leniency. I would have quoted you if I was responding directly to you (like I am now).
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On February 16 2013 04:42 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 04:34 lastshadow wrote:On February 16 2013 04:21 IdrA wrote:On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now. maphacking actually does have a long term beneficial effect if you use it correctly, it makes it much easier to learn timings and analyze builds. the same information can be gathered from watching replays or by playing customs with a maphack, but the ability to play a 'legit' competitive game and learn to recognize those situations and how and when to take advantage of them under pressure is quite valuable. IdrA's actually 100% correct. Dino and others in sc1 talked about their ability to know timings/etc due to the maphacking having let them see the timings over and over over a prolonged period of time. When I used my maps, I was able to do "timing attacks" I shouldn't have been able to do, but could due to the lower resources/build times, and thus I was hitting people at different timings, seeing what they were doing. I learned to "feel' these timings and thus when I stopped using the maps, still retained the game-sense/etc. I'm by no means saying hacking/cheating is okay, just claiming his comment is 100% true. On February 16 2013 04:25 ROOTT1 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:22 pigmanbear wrote:On February 15 2013 22:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Where's TT1 when you need him! Get him on the case! I have far more respect for Daisuku than TT1. TT1 cheated in games that really count, not ladder BS for a week. i cheated in games that mattered? plz get ur facts straight. i never participated in any online tournaments in bw because we didnt have any, the only tournament we had were wgtcl + nation wars and those didnt have a prizepool.. 95% of our games were either ladder games or customs dumb little bitch dont open ur mouth if u dont know what ur talking about TT1's comment is pretty good, comments like pigmanbears spreads sick misinformation and people just take it as truth and it casts a dark shadow on the truth, he never did cheat in anything that mattered financially or otherwise. I definitely agree man. That being said, I'm curious what harm people think this 'really' did. I mean, it might be unfortunate that another more skilled player was denied his spot in GM (assuming he wasn't up there w/o mh) but I can't exactly see what other damage he has done. No, I am not condoning hacking, as I see the competitive skill of the player as their most important trait, but if I'm missing something about what he did then I would like to understand a little better.
My take on it is that this guy went out and got sponsored. So he now represents a company by the name of NITRIX. With that being said he went about "cheating", trashing his reputation and the companies opinion/view on the esports scene etc.. etc.. In other words he made it look like a worst investment than it already is for companies to come into esports.
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On February 16 2013 04:46 bK- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 04:42 StayPhrosty wrote:On February 16 2013 04:34 lastshadow wrote:On February 16 2013 04:21 IdrA wrote:On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now. maphacking actually does have a long term beneficial effect if you use it correctly, it makes it much easier to learn timings and analyze builds. the same information can be gathered from watching replays or by playing customs with a maphack, but the ability to play a 'legit' competitive game and learn to recognize those situations and how and when to take advantage of them under pressure is quite valuable. IdrA's actually 100% correct. Dino and others in sc1 talked about their ability to know timings/etc due to the maphacking having let them see the timings over and over over a prolonged period of time. When I used my maps, I was able to do "timing attacks" I shouldn't have been able to do, but could due to the lower resources/build times, and thus I was hitting people at different timings, seeing what they were doing. I learned to "feel' these timings and thus when I stopped using the maps, still retained the game-sense/etc. I'm by no means saying hacking/cheating is okay, just claiming his comment is 100% true. On February 16 2013 04:25 ROOTT1 wrote:On February 15 2013 22:22 pigmanbear wrote:On February 15 2013 22:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Where's TT1 when you need him! Get him on the case! I have far more respect for Daisuku than TT1. TT1 cheated in games that really count, not ladder BS for a week. i cheated in games that mattered? plz get ur facts straight. i never participated in any online tournaments in bw because we didnt have any, the only tournament we had were wgtcl + nation wars and those didnt have a prizepool.. 95% of our games were either ladder games or customs dumb little bitch dont open ur mouth if u dont know what ur talking about TT1's comment is pretty good, comments like pigmanbears spreads sick misinformation and people just take it as truth and it casts a dark shadow on the truth, he never did cheat in anything that mattered financially or otherwise. I definitely agree man. That being said, I'm curious what harm people think this 'really' did. I mean, it might be unfortunate that another more skilled player was denied his spot in GM (assuming he wasn't up there w/o mh) but I can't exactly see what other damage he has done. No, I am not condoning hacking, as I see the competitive skill of the player as their most important trait, but if I'm missing something about what he did then I would like to understand a little better. My take on it is that this guy went out and got sponsored. So he now represents a company by the name of NITRIX. With that being said he went about "cheating", trashing his reputation and the companies opinion/view on the esports scene etc.. etc.. In other words he made it look like a worst investment than it already is for companies to come into esports.
Ok, I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure it's quite so clear cut. I think it's up to the sponsor them self to decide if this was a bad thing. Personally, I wouldn't have even heard of this guy or his sponsor if not for this news (the old saying, any news is good news, or w/e). I'm still up in the air about how negative this was, can someone confirm from other sponsors that a thing like this really makes them view e-sports in a more negative light? I suppose if this were more common it might reflect the community, but I honestly haven't seen something like this in quite a while, so I would think it's not quite as bad a some people are making it out to be right now. It's easy to take a 'tough on bad guys' stance without really thinking in-depth about the whole thing, so I just want to be sure we've covered all our bases in this case.
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On February 16 2013 04:25 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 22:22 pigmanbear wrote:On February 15 2013 22:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Where's TT1 when you need him! Get him on the case! I have far more respect for Daisuku than TT1. TT1 cheated in games that really count, not ladder BS for a week. dumb little bitch dont open ur mouth if u dont know what ur talking about
Sorry TT1, I had the facts wrong, you were banned from a $$ tournament for cheating elsewhere. I had you in the same group as LastShadow, KawaiiRice, etc, but I was wrong about that.
Thanks for your eloquent reply.
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On February 16 2013 04:21 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now. maphacking actually does have a long term beneficial effect if you use it correctly, it makes it much easier to learn timings and analyze builds. the same information can be gathered from watching replays or by playing customs with a maphack, but the ability to play a 'legit' competitive game and learn to recognize those situations and how and when to take advantage of them under pressure is quite valuable.
That's a very good point. A good question to ask is this: Is there knowledge to be gleaned from map-hack (where you can change your strategy in real-time) that you could not otherwise obtain from good replay analysis and practice games? Or is the former merely a convenient substitute for the diligence required by the latter?
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