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On February 16 2013 01:46 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 00:54 nunez wrote:btw, there could something pretty fishy with NITRIXenergy going on here. what i have been told per mail is pretty peculiar considering the actual circumstances. Let me get this. So, Peter Yoo lied to his sponsors that there are people who made accounts with exactly same names (Nitrix) as his and hacked in order to frame him? Adding that to the fact he cheated and showed very little remorse, why should we believe anything this guy says?
well, that's one possibility.
what i think is more likely is that he wasn't lying in the chat depicted, and that he was actually playing with 'his multi billionaire sponsor', that is, his sponsor is well aware of his hacking and is hacking himself. and that the guy writing the NITRIX mail is lying.
this also could explain the way he words himself in his 'apology post', but this is wild speculation on my part:
"I did not make this decision to do what I did but agreed to it because it was a worthwhile venture at the time."
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On February 16 2013 01:43 nunez wrote:
edit: are you Daisuki's biggest fan? you know quite a lot about him.
When kids pull out the ad hominem, you know you've won.
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On February 16 2013 01:54 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:43 nunez wrote:
edit: are you Daisuki's biggest fan? you know quite a lot about him. When kids pull out the ad hominem, you know you've won.
honest question. how do you know all this.
Then you didn't read the thread. He used this account heavily after NITRIX gave it to him, as well as a host of other NITRIX accounts. If you've watched him stream, you see he'd spend his time boosting accounts and such for money. I really doubt on top of that, maintaining his vVv account, school, etc. he was also playing thousands of games, portrait farming, and dropping MMR to troll, long before he was even sponsored by NITRIX. More than likely they took some kid/employee's account and used the free name change on it for him.
edit: i doubt there's anything to be won here.
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On February 09 2013 11:34 stew_ wrote:
wow, what a piece of shit... i hope the sponsor gets hit hard too for sponsoring a scumbag
ah, yes. i think, not only was he a scumbag, but the sponsors themselves were also scumbags.
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On February 16 2013 01:56 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:54 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 01:43 nunez wrote:
edit: are you Daisuki's biggest fan? you know quite a lot about him. When kids pull out the ad hominem, you know you've won. honest question. how do you know all this. Show nested quote +Then you didn't read the thread. He used this account heavily after NITRIX gave it to him, as well as a host of other NITRIX accounts. If you've watched him stream, you see he'd spend his time boosting accounts and such for money. I really doubt on top of that, maintaining his vVv account, school, etc. he was also playing thousands of games, portrait farming, and dropping MMR to troll, long before he was even sponsored by NITRIX. More than likely they took some kid/employee's account and used the free name change on it for him. edit: i doubt there's anything to be won here.
It's clear which parts of that are fact and which are inference. Fact is that he was a vVv team member, had a vVvDaisuki account with tons of games, goes to college, and boosted accounts for income. The latter is based on watching his stream. And he streamed a lot, for a while, regularly showing good games and beating the best players on ladder with absolutely no hint of foul play.
The inference that he was not using the NITRIX account previously is based on the sudden emergence of several NITRIX accounts in the top of NA GM ladder shortly before daisuki announced that he was sponsored.
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your inference doesn't make any sense to me. how does it relate to him possibly boosting a NITRIX account in march 2012? he wasn't announced sponsored untill june.
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Uh he probably wouldn't boost an account for a sponsor that wasn't playing him?
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On February 16 2013 02:07 nunez wrote:
your inference doesn't make any sense to me. how does it relate to him possibly boosting a NITRIX account in march 2012? he wasn't announced sponsored untill june.
Most likely they wanted him to boost this account on a trial basis. This was the first account to GM, and other ones (eDrink and like eight others) followed. He didn't announce the sponsorship until all of these accounts were very high up and everybody was wondering who it was. He was no doubt being paid before the announcement.
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Has be been removed from MLG yet?
Was just posted on Reddit that he's replacing Scarlett because of her injury and she's still playing WoL.
MLGAdam posted that they were looking into it, anyone have update?
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On February 16 2013 02:13 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:07 nunez wrote:
your inference doesn't make any sense to me. how does it relate to him possibly boosting a NITRIX account in march 2012? he wasn't announced sponsored untill june. Most likely they wanted him to boost this account on a trial basis. This was the first account to GM, and other ones (eDrink and like eight others) followed. He didn't announce the sponsorship until all of these accounts were very high up and everybody was wondering who it was. He was no doubt being paid before the announcement.
ok, so it is probable that it was infact daisuki playing on that account (when it reached top 2 gm in march 2012), and now maybe illusion can explain why he thought he was maphacking.
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On February 16 2013 02:21 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:13 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 nunez wrote:
your inference doesn't make any sense to me. how does it relate to him possibly boosting a NITRIX account in march 2012? he wasn't announced sponsored untill june. Most likely they wanted him to boost this account on a trial basis. This was the first account to GM, and other ones (eDrink and like eight others) followed. He didn't announce the sponsorship until all of these accounts were very high up and everybody was wondering who it was. He was no doubt being paid before the announcement. ok, so it is probable that it was infact daisuki playing on that account (when it reached top 2 gm in march 2012), and now maybe illusion can explain why he thought he was maphacking.
There's no way to know, and throwing around assertions does nobody any good. If you have evidence of this, you should provide it.
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On February 16 2013 02:23 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:21 nunez wrote:On February 16 2013 02:13 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 nunez wrote:
your inference doesn't make any sense to me. how does it relate to him possibly boosting a NITRIX account in march 2012? he wasn't announced sponsored untill june. Most likely they wanted him to boost this account on a trial basis. This was the first account to GM, and other ones (eDrink and like eight others) followed. He didn't announce the sponsorship until all of these accounts were very high up and everybody was wondering who it was. He was no doubt being paid before the announcement. ok, so it is probable that it was infact daisuki playing on that account (when it reached top 2 gm in march 2012), and now maybe illusion can explain why he thought he was maphacking. There's no way to know, and throwing around assertions does nobody any good. If you have evidence of this, you should provide it.
yes, indeed. again, hopefully illusion has some insight, or maybe it was just some rumor. and again, no need to dismiss it yet.
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I honestly don't have any problem with him playing for a chance to go to dallas.
The fact is that we know he is very good and that there was absolutely no need for him to hack to "boost an account" or for any other reason, if he really wanted the account to be GM he could of done it (but likely would have taken longer). He did not cheat in any tournament or 'steal' any money from people by cheating; he took ladder points.
However, it is a terrible and incredibly stupid thing to do, even on ladder, and he has been thoroughly humiliated and called out in the community (and rightfully so). But, if he is willing to play fair, I have no problem with seeing him showcase his actual skill (that we know he has and has proven he has) for a chance to go to a live tournament. And if they don't allow him, I don't have a problem with that either. MLG's choice.
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The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now".
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This guy should be severly punished for what he did. The worst thing about this is that right now he could be cheating on ladder while we are even talking about it.
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On February 16 2013 03:24 Prplppleatr wrote:
I honestly don't have any problem with him playing for a chance to go to dallas.
The fact is that we know he is very good and that there was absolutely no need for him to hack to "boost an account" or for any other reason, if he really wanted the account to be GM he could of done it (but likely would have taken longer). He did not cheat in any tournament or 'steal' any money from people by cheating; he took ladder points.
How do you know that no one lost money because of Daisuki cheating?
Some people who otherwise should have been top 8 were denied due to his cheating.
So if top 8 is how he was making money, its reasonable to believe that someone else could have made some money from being top 8.
He at least reduced the chances of others of getting sponsorships or picked up by a team by stealing those ladder points, and at worse may have directly taken money from others with similar sponsorship deals.
The fact is, you just don't know that the collateral damage is, so you are just assuming its none. The true is that we will never know the full extent of his cheating, or how much others were harmed by it.
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On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now".
God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now.
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On February 16 2013 01:18 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:07 crbox wrote:On February 16 2013 01:00 Shiori wrote:On February 16 2013 00:44 goswser wrote:On February 16 2013 00:31 docvoc wrote:On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove. Goswser, if you are going to toss around that idea, back it up. Don't get the community pitch forks up just because you are theory crafting about him having no integrity. The decision he made was based off a demand by his sponsor (an impossible task in the time frame) and him having physical issues leading him to take the easy way out two weeks ago. This isn't a huge advantage at all considering MLG is not BYOC and it certainly has judges that would prevent him from hacking all the way up to 2nd place. If you are going to accuse him of that, you should bring evidence first dude. There is nothing to prevent him from hacking against me in an online bo5 though. And it would be very very hard to prove if he just hacks to ensure he is always safe and always drones fully. Innocent until proven guilty. Suppose I am a convicted murderer. Then suppose one of my friends is murdered. Is it right to punish me for that murder, too? Certainly not. To be suspicious, certainly, but to act in the same way as if I had committed the crime definitively is unjustified. ... That analogy lol Also, he has been proven guilty of map hacking. Just not in online tournaments (yet). We don't know for sure if he did, the point is just that since there's no way to tell (if he is careful enough) if he is hacking or not, it ruins the competition to have a player like him in high level brackets. That's besides the point and you commit logical errors. If there were some evidence of Gosu User's claim, then yes, you could say " this guy has history, we lean towards guilty." But that is very different from throwing random assertions in the air.
Well... He has history lol he was just caught? You need to understand hacking on ladder and hacking in tournaments
is almost the same thing. Yes it's worst to hack in tournament but basically in both case you hacked. The difference is only the motivation behind it. It doesn't make it okay to hack on ladder you need to get that through your head e.e
On February 16 2013 01:20 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:16 nunez wrote:On February 16 2013 01:13 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove. Who's to say he doesn't kick kittens either? Proving a negative is impossible and your idea here is really off-base and silly. a top level player playing with a production tab on is close to impossible to detect. when playing an online tournament vs an opponent, the reason you are not going around being paranoid is probably because you TRUST your other player to play a fair game. there's really nothing else you can do. how can you trust a player that has admitted to hacking? I don't know, why was Dragon in IPL? Etc. etc. At least daisuki's abuse was on ladder and not in a tournament. KawaiiRice, TT1, Dragon, LastShadow have all cheated in real competitive events. I think that's much, much worse than on ladder, and for a short time at that.
What's your point exactly? That we should let hacker play in tournaments and it's all good? I know double standards are really bad for competition, but, except Dragon that apparently played in IPL, I don't really see TT1 play anymore. It's also been months since I've heard of LastShadow but I really don't follow tournaments as much anymore.
On February 16 2013 03:49 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 03:35 tribulator wrote:
The "its ok cause it was ladder" shit is sickening. That's like a baseball player saying "Oh, I was just doping for exhibition games, its cool, lemme play the world series now". God that's an awful analogy for so many reasons. I never knew maphack stayed in your system until now.
It kind of does... I mean not literally but the only reason Daisuki has stopped hacking is because he was caught. Once all eyes are not on him anymore, he's most likely just gonna reinstall MH (if he uninstalled it at all) and do it again. Don't give me another round of that bullshit "innocent until proven guilty", he was caught like one week ago.
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He has told me that several people using the nick nitrix with some evil intent and even using prohibited programs,
We contacted blizzard about it it has no control over which players choose nick.
For this reason we do not support any more players of StarCraft 2.
Are only left with a Peter Yoo and canceled the project of making a team with the best names Nitrix community.
By reason of being negative corporate image in the community of StarCraft 2.
We had a beautiful project to 6 players with support of $ 2,000.00 per month,
Plus costs and Trips hotel for tournaments and for each player,
My boss saw these comments and canceled the project.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
So this scumbag not only is a hacker but also deprived Sc2 scene of 12000 dollars a month because he is full of shit and lied to his sponsors?
Niiiiiiiice
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