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On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove.
Who's to say he doesn't kick kittens either? Proving a negative is impossible and your idea here is really off-base and silly.
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On February 16 2013 01:12 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:05 nunez wrote:
@shiori
why make poor analogies, when instead you can talk about the matter at hand directly.
it's not about murder it's about playing online tournaments for money vs a guy who is a known hacker.
clearly you'd rather play people who is NOT a known hacker. I don't disagree, I'm just trying to add a little perspective. He should be banned from online tournies.
ok, that is fair and probably wise. perspective is always good.
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On February 16 2013 01:13 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove. Who's to say he doesn't kick kittens either? Proving a negative is impossible and your idea here is really off-base and silly.
a top level player playing with a production tab on is close to impossible to detect. when playing an online tournament vs an opponent, the reason you are not going around being paranoid is probably because you TRUST your other player to play a fair game. there's really nothing else you can do.
how can you trust a player that has admitted to hacking?
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On February 16 2013 01:07 crbox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:00 Shiori wrote:On February 16 2013 00:44 goswser wrote:On February 16 2013 00:31 docvoc wrote:On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove. Goswser, if you are going to toss around that idea, back it up. Don't get the community pitch forks up just because you are theory crafting about him having no integrity. The decision he made was based off a demand by his sponsor (an impossible task in the time frame) and him having physical issues leading him to take the easy way out two weeks ago. This isn't a huge advantage at all considering MLG is not BYOC and it certainly has judges that would prevent him from hacking all the way up to 2nd place. If you are going to accuse him of that, you should bring evidence first dude. There is nothing to prevent him from hacking against me in an online bo5 though. And it would be very very hard to prove if he just hacks to ensure he is always safe and always drones fully. Innocent until proven guilty. Suppose I am a convicted murderer. Then suppose one of my friends is murdered. Is it right to punish me for that murder, too? Certainly not. To be suspicious, certainly, but to act in the same way as if I had committed the crime definitively is unjustified. ... That analogy lol Also, he has been proven guilty of map hacking. Just not in online tournaments (yet). We don't know for sure if he did, the point is just that since there's no way to tell (if he is careful enough) if he is hacking or not, it ruins the competition to have a player like him in high level brackets.
That's besides the point and you commit logical errors. If there were some evidence of Gosu User's claim, then yes, you could say "this guy has history, we lean towards guilty." But that is very different from throwing random assertions in the air.
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On February 16 2013 01:16 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:13 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove. Who's to say he doesn't kick kittens either? Proving a negative is impossible and your idea here is really off-base and silly. a top level player playing with a production tab on is close to impossible to detect. when playing an online tournament vs an opponent, the reason you are not going around being paranoid is probably because you TRUST your other player to play a fair game. there's really nothing else you can do. how can you trust a player that has admitted to hacking?
I don't know, why was Dragon in IPL? Etc. etc. At least daisuki's abuse was on ladder and not in a tournament. KawaiiRice, TT1, Dragon, LastShadow have all cheated in real competitive events. I think that's much, much worse than on ladder, and for a short time at that.
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Has Daisuke said anything about this thread yet? I mean there's probably not much to say given this looks so conclusive, but I do want to see his response nonetheless.
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On February 16 2013 01:24 TAMinator wrote:
Has Daisuke said anything about this thread yet? I mean there's probably not much to say given this looks so conclusive, but I do want to see his response nonetheless.
It's in the topic.
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On February 16 2013 00:28 goswser wrote:
Why does everyone believe Daisuki when he says he never cheated in online tournaments? Because he says so? Of course he would deny that, because if he admitted to it then the community would shun him for a much longer time. It's way way harder to provide damning evidence from only tournament replays to prove he hacked in online tournaments, then it is to do so from ladder replays. As to whether he should be invited to MLG online qualifiers, I'm completely against it. It may not have been very hard to prove he hacked on ladder, but if he tries to hide it, it would be very easy for him to hack without anyone realizing it in a single bo5 online. Considering he is already a decent player, all he would need to do is use the hack to get a good build order advantage and drone fully when he knows he is safe to get a huge advantage, and something like this would be almost impossible to prove.
completely agree
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Yea, before that he always played on vVv account. There's no way the prior activity on the NITRIX could have been his own unless he never slept at night.
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On February 16 2013 01:26 pigmanbear wrote:Yea, before that he always played on vVv account. There's no way the prior activity on the NITRIX could have been his own unless he never slept at night.
no need to dismiss it yet. maybe illusion will chime in.
edit:
SyNc` wrote
Its daisuki. Playstyle matches and he streams games on that account.
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On February 16 2013 01:27 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:26 pigmanbear wrote:Yea, before that he always played on vVv account. There's no way the prior activity on the NITRIX could have been his own unless he never slept at night. no need to dismiss it yet. maybe illusion will chime in. edit: Show nested quote +SyNc` wrote
Its daisuki. Playstyle matches and he streams games on that account.
Then you didn't read the thread. He used this account heavily after NITRIX gave it to him, as well as a host of other NITRIX accounts. If you've watched him stream, you see he'd spend his time boosting accounts and such for money. I really doubt on top of that, maintaining his vVv account, school, etc. he was also playing thousands of games, portrait farming, and dropping MMR to troll, long before he was even sponsored by NITRIX. More than likely they took some kid/employee's account and used the free name change on it for him.
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On February 16 2013 01:32 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:27 nunez wrote:On February 16 2013 01:26 pigmanbear wrote:Yea, before that he always played on vVv account. There's no way the prior activity on the NITRIX could have been his own unless he never slept at night. no need to dismiss it yet. maybe illusion will chime in. edit: SyNc` wrote
Its daisuki. Playstyle matches and he streams games on that account. Then you didn't read the thread. He used this account heavily after NITRIX gave it to him, as well as a host of other NITRIX accounts. If you've watched him stream, you see he'd spend his time boosting accounts and such for money. I really doubt on top of that, maintaining his vVv account, school, etc. he was also playing thousands of games, portrait farming, and dropping MMR to troll, long before he was even sponsored by NITRIX. More than likely they took some kid/employee's account and used the free name change on it for him.
at one time a top gm zerg named NITRIXENERGY, two people say it's daisuki. i'm still gonna wait for more info, but to me it seems... kinda obvious. shared account that daisuki played on. maybe we can find some reps.
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On February 16 2013 01:39 nunez wrote:
so it is him.
Nobody ever doubted that ... but I doubt your reading comprehension.
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On February 16 2013 01:40 pigmanbear wrote:Nobody ever doubted that ... but I doubt your reading comprehension.
you said there's no way the activity prior could have been him, but clearly that's what it looks like.
look... i hate to post it again but:
In the past 5 seasons hes been Diamond, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Platinum in 1v1 and now out of nowhere hes the #2 GM with roughly a 3:1 ratio?
Its daisuki. Playstyle matches and he streams games on that account.
Someone said shared account w/ daisuki. Apparently he hacked on it before.
all of this in march 2012. then two months later he 'signs' with NITRIX.
edit: are you Daisuki's biggest fan? you know quite a lot about him.
there is a possibility that whoever shared the account with daisuki was who illusion was referring to, but we'll have to wait and see.
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On February 16 2013 00:54 nunez wrote:btw, there could something pretty fishy with NITRIXenergy going on here. what i have been told per mail is pretty peculiar considering the actual circumstances.
Let me get this. So, Peter Yoo lied to his sponsors that there are people who made accounts with exactly same names (Nitrix) as his and hacked in order to frame him?
Adding that to the fact he cheated and showed very little remorse, why should we believe anything this guy says?
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On February 16 2013 01:43 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:40 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 01:39 nunez wrote:
so it is him. Nobody ever doubted that ... but I doubt your reading comprehension. you said there's no way the activity prior could have been him, but clearly that's what it looks like. look... i hate to post it again but: Show nested quote + In the past 5 seasons hes been Diamond, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Platinum in 1v1 and now out of nowhere hes the #2 GM with roughly a 3:1 ratio? all of this in march 2012. then two months later he 'signs' with NITRIX. edit: are you Daisuki's biggest fan? you know quite a lot about him.
That doesn't explain how he was #2 at a lan event that had refs.
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On February 16 2013 01:47 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:43 nunez wrote:On February 16 2013 01:40 pigmanbear wrote:On February 16 2013 01:39 nunez wrote:
so it is him. Nobody ever doubted that ... but I doubt your reading comprehension. you said there's no way the activity prior could have been him, but clearly that's what it looks like. look... i hate to post it again but: In the past 5 seasons hes been Diamond, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Platinum in 1v1 and now out of nowhere hes the #2 GM with roughly a 3:1 ratio? Its daisuki. Playstyle matches and he streams games on that account. Someone said shared account w/ daisuki. Apparently he hacked on it before. all of this in march 2012. then two months later he 'signs' with NITRIX. edit: are you Daisuki's biggest fan? you know quite a lot about him. That doesn't explain how he was #2 at a lan event that had refs.
am i saying he is a bad player?
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ironic daisuki quote from spades hacking thread:
All i have to say is, i've been accused of map hacking AND I DONT so whoever is throwing accusations out there better have great evidence backing it up
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