EPTPBS on The Rise of Competitive Gaming and eSports
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Slasher
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tshi
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Torte de Lini
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She has been following the scene from a sociological standpoint for many years now and has released a good number of books on the subjects. She is currently researching the Livestream aspect of gaming and online spectator/viewership. | ||
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Master of DalK
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StarStruck
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elmizzt
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On February 01 2013 06:02 StarStruck wrote: The title is a little redundant. I would have just called it the rise of competitive gaming and not both. It's catered towards people who might never have encountered the term "esports". Putting both of them in the title exposes them to the term while explaining it at the same time. | ||
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tshi
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Heyoka
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Spiffeh
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Dan Dinh, Jonas, and Reginald were having a conversation about it on Dan's stream last night before he muted it. GGGGGGGG | ||
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Dirkinity
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:09 Dirkinity wrote: What the heck is PBS? Public Broadcasting Service its pretty much public tv | ||
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farvacola
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On February 01 2013 06:09 Dirkinity wrote: What the heck is PBS? The Public Broadcasting Service, an excellent public television and media producer that is one of the last bastions of American televised journalistic integrity. | ||
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Thienan567
United States670 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:09 Dirkinity wrote: What the heck is PBS? Public Broadcasting Service. Basically US network that does a lot of coverage on news, current events, education, etc. Not surprised at all that they'd run an e-sports video on air (but at time same time I doubt that it actually has been on air). Not a bad network imo, but certainly there's better. | ||
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StarStruck
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On February 01 2013 06:05 elmizzt wrote: It's catered towards people who might never have encountered the term "esports". Putting both of them in the title exposes them to the term while explaining it at the same time. I understood that. I still find it redundant and I never liked the term in the first place especially when you look at the communities under a microscope. On February 01 2013 06:07 heyoka wrote: Hope this is good, guess we can say that PBS thinks we're cutting edge now. I don't know what to make of that considering we're talking about PBS. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
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JOJOsc2news
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Dirkinity
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On February 01 2013 06:12 Boblhead wrote: Public Broadcasting System its pretty much public tv Is there "Non-public" tv in america? o_0 | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:21 Dirkinity wrote: Is there "Non-public" tv in america? o_0 it's public in that it is not owned by a major corporation and its funded by viewer donations, you do not have to pay for cable/satellite service to get pbs in most cases. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
Also, great video. It's the video the community deserved. Leagues better than stuff put out by CNN. Only thing that caught my eye as out of place was when the video is talking about female players struggling, there is a clip of a Sc2 fan holding a sign saying "Deezer you suck". For someone who doesn't know better, this could leave the wrong impression. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:20 TheGiftedApe wrote: PBS stations are known to broadcast local sporting events such as high school football or division 3 ncaa etc. PBS could be the first major tv network to show eSports it would not surprise me. I could imagine them atleast testing it in a couple markets. It would be a hell of a lot better than those programs they run about "brain health" and "personal happiness." | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:21 Dirkinity wrote: Is there "Non-public" tv in america? o_0 Public TV as in government-funded. I'm sure Germany has TV stations that are privately owned and are individual businesses. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:25 KillingVector wrote: It would be a hell of a lot better than those programs they run about "brain health" and "personal happiness." as well lots of geeks have access to pbs, atleast a lot of my friends around my age(20-26) don't have cable or satellite, they use netflix and or hulu / the internet, but they still get free pbs over antenna, whereas espn is cable/sat only. | ||
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Kergy
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HeeroFX
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SupLilSon
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:21 Dirkinity wrote: Is there "Non-public" tv in america? o_0 PBS is funded by government grants and donations. There are little to no commercials (except for brief shout-outs to major contributors), and the vast majority of their content is educational or news. It's probably the most objective and informative news source in America that isn't a website, though some people would argue that they have a liberal bent because they're government-funded. Some programs that run on PBS that you might know of are Nova, Sesame Street, Masterpiece Theater, and Frontline. edit: some more info for non-Americans: PBS is probably one of the most respected and trusted news organizations in the US, but doesn't have the numbers of Fox or CNN. Most of their audience is well-educated and (relatively) old, primarily middle-aged and above. They're known for presenting very objective and unbiased information, and, since they're non-profit, they don't go for headline news that gets them viewers. Because of that, it's actually a bigger deal that PBS is running a story like this as opposed to CNN or Fox, because they have a reputation of being a media outlet that should be taken seriously. That's why the video isn't trying to make a mockery of ESPORTS by saying "hay look at these kids aren't they CRAZY?" like what you'd expect from CNN or whatever: it's reporting on something that is a growing trend, and trying to explain it to an audience that wouldn't understand it. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:54 Kergy wrote: oh no he called fighting games esports :O It makes me laugh how much of a stigma the FGC has against being associated with e-sports and things like SC2/LoL/CS at all. I don't even know the cause of it. It's such an irrelevant and weird thing to get so upset over. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:13 farvacola wrote: The Public Broadcasting Service, an excellent public television and media producer that is one of the last bastions of American televised journalistic integrity. Yep, this is pretty much it. Most "for profit" stations don't do journalism, they just make blank, ridiculous statements to get people to watch their "stories." PBS is amazing and its shows are part of most of my early childhood memories. Mr. Rogers was so good . That said, I wonder how we should take this as a community. It is definitely a good thing, but, that said, I don't know if I like the idea of PBS being the one to televise it. As a TV station, many people do not watch the station simply because they don't know how great a lot of what they televise is. | ||
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corpuscle
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On February 01 2013 10:44 docvoc wrote: Yep, this is pretty much it. Most "for profit" stations don't do journalism, they just make blank, ridiculous statements to get people to watch their "stories." PBS is amazing and its shows are part of most of my early childhood memories. Mr. Rogers was so good . That said, I wonder how we should take this as a community. It is definitely a good thing, but, that said, I don't know if I like the idea of PBS being the one to televise it. As a TV station, many people do not watch the station simply because they don't know how great a lot of what they televise is.I can't imagine PBS would ever actually televise ESPORTS, just maybe inform the audience of what it is. I can't imagine that they'd get any viewership for an SC2/LoL/etc. tournament, and their regular viewers would just be SUPER confused. I mean, my parents watch PBS all the time, but whenever I'm at home and they see me watching SC2, they have to ask if I'm playing or watching... that's how little the average PBS viewer understands video games.  | ||
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che
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On February 01 2013 10:33 MCXD wrote: It makes me laugh how much of a stigma the FGC has against being associated with e-sports and things like SC2/LoL/CS at all. I don't even know the cause of it. It's such an irrelevant and weird thing to get so upset over. The drama behind being called "esports" really isn't anything against the "esports" community at all, but rather a drama concerning certain Twitch community manager who used to be a part of the FGC who decided in late 2011 to make it his job to 'purify' the fighting game scene to be more PG-13 like SC2. tl;dr, the infamous Cross-Assault controversy happened, articles were written bashing the FGC/painting the entire community with a broad stroke, and that certain Twitch employee never showed his face at an FGC-event again. All in all though, I think most people couldn't care less, and with IPL hosting Capcom games this year, I think the FGC has begun warming up to the thought of "esports". | ||
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caradoc
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VManOfMana
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On February 01 2013 10:33 MCXD wrote: It makes me laugh how much of a stigma the FGC has against being associated with e-sports and things like SC2/LoL/CS at all. I don't even know the cause of it. It's such an irrelevant and weird thing to get so upset over. From the words of UltraDavid: But we in the FGC have a hard time accepting esports, and not just because we find the word “esports” such an incredibly sad, self denying, misguided attempt to borrow legitimacy from the world of traditional sports. We all know that esports has solid, tournament viable games. It’s just… how can we put ourselves under another group’s roof after having spent two decades making our own? http://shoryuken.com/2011/12/12/guest-editorial-momentum-matters-a-historical-perspective-on-the-fgc-and-esports-communities-2/ To be more blunt: * FGC is the result of community growth, looking for support of sponsorships. * eSports is sponsorship money looking for community growth to become profitable. IMO, Blizzard's handling of Starcraft 2 is the ugly side of the latter. | ||
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docvoc
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On February 01 2013 10:50 corpuscle wrote: I can't imagine PBS would ever actually televise ESPORTS, just maybe inform the audience of what it is. I can't imagine that they'd get any viewership for an SC2/LoL/etc. tournament, and their regular viewers would just be SUPER confused. I mean, my parents watch PBS all the time, but whenever I'm at home and they see me watching SC2, they have to ask if I'm playing or watching... that's how little the average PBS viewer understands video games. Yeah I was confused because, as another poster said above, their audience tends to not be the age for these games. There are some people that old that play or watch SC2 or BW or even LoL, but that audience is microscopic. I realize this is big since PBS is usually the most unbiased source in the U.S., but I was very confused if they were going to make this regular since their audience could in no way relate to that subject matter. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On February 01 2013 12:12 docvoc wrote: Yeah I was confused because, as another poster said above, their audience tends to not be the age for these games. There are some people that old that play or watch SC2 or BW or even LoL, but that audience is microscopic. I realize this is big since PBS is usually the most unbiased source in the U.S., but I was very confused if they were going to make this regular since their audience could in no way relate to that subject matter. Don't confuse "educated" to "old". At the end, it's about cultural programming, and eSports fits the criteria. The fact that PBS doesn't take a sensationalistic approach makes it all more enjoyable. | ||
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memcpy
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:25 KillingVector wrote: It would be a hell of a lot better than those programs they run about "brain health" and "personal happiness." Mr. Rogers defending PBS. It's one of the few networks that reliably shows unsponsored, non-commercial children's and educational programming. The end of this video makes me teary-eyed. | ||
BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On February 01 2013 12:41 Defacer wrote: Mr. Rogers defending PBS. It's one of the few networks that reliably shows unsponsored, non-commercial children's and educational programming. http://youtu.be/yXEuEUQIP3Q The end of this video makes me teary-eyed. God bless that man. Wish he was still doing all that good work these days. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45387 Posts
Now we just need everyone from the older generation to sit down and take 7 minutes and 37 seconds out of their lives to watch this. | ||
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
On February 01 2013 13:12 BoZiffer wrote: God bless that man. Wish he was still doing all that good work these days. Incredible. | ||
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DekkuM
United States149 Posts
On February 01 2013 10:33 MCXD wrote: It makes me laugh how much of a stigma the FGC has against being associated with e-sports and things like SC2/LoL/CS at all. I don't even know the cause of it. It's such an irrelevant and weird thing to get so upset over. It's because of the perception of console gaming vs computer gaming here in the states. Someone who plays PC games for 5-6 hours a day is going to be looked at as more of a nerd than someone that plays 5-6 hours of console games. I think the same applies in Japan. | ||
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ki11z0ne
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StreetWise
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On February 01 2013 07:53 SupLilSon wrote: lol the sign "DEEZER YOU SUCK" hahahaaa Haha, yeah I saw that. Funnier when you listen to how she is talking about nerds moving into the mainstream. | ||
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KillingVector
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On February 01 2013 12:41 Defacer wrote: Mr. Rogers defending PBS. It's one of the few networks that reliably shows unsponsored, non-commercial children's and educational programming. http://youtu.be/yXEuEUQIP3Q The end of this video makes me teary-eyed. An interesting video, but I think you may have misunderstood me. I enjoy PBS programs such as Frontline and others. I even enjoy a little Downton Abbey (I know, it's not really a PBS show). My local PBS stations show some programs about "keeping your brain strong," how to be happy, personal motivation, and similar stuff. Every time I see them advertised, they sound like they belong on a regular broadcast station at 3 AM. | ||
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:57 tshi wrote: RIP IN PIECE, 1995 That made no sense breh | ||
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pepper_
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Pucca
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Grovbolle
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On February 01 2013 06:09 Dirkinity wrote: What the heck is PBS? American ZDF (if you are German) | ||
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TheRealNanMan
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Master of DalK
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On February 03 2013 16:51 Pucca wrote: When they said advertisements is the main way of income isn't that how professional sports teams get funding? I mean look at a Hockey Rink or a Baseball Field they all have thousands of adds. The most profound would be the super bowl. The entire SB is ads. They also earn money from merchandising and ticket sales too. | ||
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che
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On February 01 2013 10:33 MCXD wrote: It makes me laugh how much of a stigma the FGC has against being associated with e-sports and things like SC2/LoL/CS at all. I don't even know the cause of it. It's such an irrelevant and weird thing to get so upset over. Late post, but I can pinpoint the exact details why the modern FGC resents the term "esports". http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ms45u/i_dont_support_esports_please_stop_telling_me/ http://shoryuken.com/2011/11/28/dreamhack-showcases-ae-finals-starcraft-fans-show-their-appreciation/ tl;dr, SC2 fans showed a lot of disrespect during the SF4 finals of Dreamhack '11. Personally, I had a very high opinion of SC2 before all of this, as an old BW player from 2002-2004. This experience, however, soured my opinion of the SC2 scene and the whole "esports" movement they're trying to push forward. I'm sure a lot of people in the FGC hold similar opinions. | ||
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