Destiny: Own3d paying streamers late, not fulfilling contr…

On January 20 2013 09:38 NoobSkills wrote:
Streaming is not a job simple as that.

On January 20 2013 09:38 NoobSkills wrote:
Streaming is not a job simple as that.


Lmao /agree

On January 21 2013 03:09 NumberFive wrote:
People bashing streaming and progaming in this tread as not being "real jobs" should really get a hold of themselves, it are the same disgusting comments that flooded the Gamespot thread about Quantic disbanding.
Do you consider being an athlete a "real job" ? Like football players for example ?
Do you consider being a television star like a news anchor, a sports commentator, a talk show host, and so on a "real job" ?
After all, it's all the same thing, it's sports or entertainement in general.

I can just picture those haters as spoiled brats that grew up with the idea that some jobs are not meant for them and of 'lesser value', like being a gardener for example (I've seriously heard that before), and that they were meant to grow up to study and get a "real job".
Except that job isn't really what they wanted, so now when they see someone that enjoys what they do, they are jealous and bash them for having picked a "fake job", which caused all their problems.

On January 21 2013 03:24 HungrySC2 wrote:
I don't want to shout "players union", but it seems some resource which players can chose to join to help with situations like this might be nice.

just a thought.

On January 21 2013 03:36 Zorkmid wrote:


Something like that would just be another intermediate money grab that siphons money from teams and players.

On January 21 2013 03:36 Zorkmid wrote:


Something like that would just be another intermediate money grab that siphons money from teams and players.

On January 21 2013 00:49 Noobity wrote:



So you're calling someone else incredibly stupid and not me, right?

Unions with elected representatives are not money grabs, they are an important part of the post-depression work force. Unions with a bureaucracy of outside hires are "intermediate money grabs."

People who blindly bash unions seem to forget how a post-industrial workforce increased the distance between the rich and the poor until unions came along to show that the workforce is not a free resource. I am not in a unionized job currently and I enjoy many labor freedoms and rights, but unions are important especially in new areas of work such as eSports in order to create a standard for how the workforce is treated.

On January 21 2013 03:23 totauksz wrote:


that's some terrible psychoanalysis at the end of your post;)

but yeah I agree it can be looked at as a real job.

I use a computer software to create 3D content for my company, maybe some hard physical worker thinks this isn't a real job either.

but people are also right in the sense that playing a game all day and streaming is not something that gives you valuable knowledge or experience. even less than that because if you ever apply for an actual job at a company that 6 years in your resume that u spent playing all day is actually a HUGE disadvantage for you.

and it isn't actually worth if financially for a lot of people I hear. It's ok for Stephano because he's still young, he makes a lot and he can still study whatever he wants. Or for Nerchio, he attends a college and treats sc2 as a hobby not as a job.

now for Destiny.... he's the other pole. he made ok-ish money but now no employer will ever hire him for a good job because of a google search (and serious employers do google/facebook etc you),

this "job" isn't something that makes your life and career move forward... it hinders you more than it helps in the long run. it's different in Korea because it's really accepted there. but if you live in a country where education is free (basically all european countries, for example in Norway it's even free for EVERY FOREIGNER), there is no excuse to not study something and prepare yourself for the real life. playing a game all day is a dead end from so many aspects. in 5-6 years you can become a doctor, an engineer, an architect and you don't even need to put in as much effort as in sc to be good.

I never played as much as these guys, but still regretting all the time I wasted on games, I could have 3 degrees now instead of one....

On January 21 2013 03:58 NumberFive wrote:


Destiny also said that the job he enjoyed the most up to now (excluding streaming, because destiny STREAMS for a living, he doesn't compete for a living) was working in a Casino, and that would be the job he would go to if it was really needed.
Do you consider working tables in a casino, with a woodwind performance degree, a job that makes your life and carreer move forward ? Just the fact you're talking about "hire him for a good job" makes me fear the worst for your answer

So in 5-6 years someone can become a Doctor, an engineer etc to prepair them for the "real life" according to you. (also:you have to put in less effort in engineering or a doctor to be good LOL )
What if they don't want to be those things and REALLY like and enjoy to be a musician for example ?
They practice and try to make it work as a band through gigs, youtube etc. and it's the thing they love doing, but then you would go out and tell them that playing their instrument the whole day is a waste of time and they should study instead ?

It's not because you value having that kind of job this much that other people feel like you, Destiny enjoys streaming, he's not using streaming to kickstart his carreer as the CEO of microsoft.

As long as he can provide for his child and himself he should do whatever he wants. That should be the final answer to this.

On January 21 2013 03:20 Innovation wrote:


I am Sr. Manager of analytics for one of the worlds largest advertising agencies. It's my job to know how this all works. Despite your uninformed opinion streaming is in fact a lucrative job for those that have a decent audience. A streamer with the average viewership of Destiny with a decent rev-share agreement can make about 50K (gross) a year streaming about 4 hours per day every day. Even at 7 days a week that's a decent living for just a 28 hour work week.

(Numbers based upon average of 2K viewership & 4 ad breaks per hour with 3 ads per break and a 2$ cpm rev-share agreement which amounts to approximately 6.7% of what the site is likely making from him)

If Destiny is not being paid for several months of work or more that means he's easily lost thousands of dollars which is a big deal. Even though I'm not a big fan of his antics, I wouldn't wish this upon anyone trying to make a living the best way they know how.

As I have significant influence in where billions of ad dollars are spent every year I can assure you that if this turns out to be true Own3d will lose significant revenue via the loss of my accounts.

On January 21 2013 05:04 grs wrote:

I hope you don't break anything, should you ever fall from your high horse.

On January 21 2013 05:06 ch33psh33p wrote:


Yes, an actual expert within the industry provides insight, and all you can do is ignore his argument while making ad hominems that make no sense.

Congrats dude, really, congrats.