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Sweden's Best SC2 Player of 2012

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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 17:12:57
January 03 2013 17:03 GMT
#1
Hi Guys!

Fragbite (a Swedish gaming website) are hosting a poll (click here) asking who you think Sweden's Best SC2 Player of the year 2012 is!
The nominees are (T)ThorZaIN, (Z)SortOf, (P)NaNiwa, (P)SaSe and (P)Seiplo.


Here is a bit of information (achievements this year, history etc...) about each player translated from the website.

(T)ThorZaIN
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Sweden is definetly on the world map when it comes to starcraft 2 and one of the reasons for this is Marcus "ThorZaIN" Eklöf. After placing high in multiple tournaments, he stepped up the Game in his homecountry and won the DreamHack EIZO Open Stockholm event, E-Sport SM, WCS Sweden and then finally ASUS ROG all within the first half of this year.


(Z)SortOf
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Rickard "SortOf" Bergman blossomed in Sweden's as one of the top players after having placed 2nd in both E-Sport SM and WCS Sweden. Those however weren't his Only feats this year, but he also placed 4th at the NASL 4 tournament. His prestige over the year just tells us it would not do anyone justice by not giving him a nomination.


(P)NaNiwa
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Johan "NaNiwa" Lucchesi showed us during 2011 why he could be one of the best players and has continued this year to show us why he's one of the best of the best in starcraft 2. Making it to the quarter finals in GSL Code S is no laughing matter, making sure that he is one of our choices as a nominee.


(P)SaSe
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Kim "SaSe" Hammar tends to be named as one of the better Swedish players. He initially started of the year by being rather anonymous, practicing vigorously in Korea and it was not until May that he struck everyone by surprise by winning the NASL Sunday Showdown. Throughout the Summer of 2012, he placed 4th aT MLG, making him the the best non-Korean at the tournament. After that he finished the year with a first place trophy from the IEF 2012 tournament, truly earning him a nomination as Sweden's best SC2 player of 2012.


(P)Seiplo
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John "Seiplo" Seipel has not yet grabbed any big titles in his SC2 career, nor has he prestiged in any minor titles either during this past year. He grabbed a bronze medal in WCS Sweden and another in the Copenhagen Games, placing higher than giants like Happy, NaNiwa and SaSe. This however was enough proof for us to award him with a nomination.

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Source of the above information - http://www.fragbite.se/?articleID=10583&page=3


The following Link is a direct link to the voting page: http://www.fragbite.se/?pollID=124488
Who do YOU think is Sweden's player of the year 2012?

Personal Opinion: Tie breaker between ThorZaIN and NaNiwa... But I am a big NaNi fan so... However. ThorZaIN has had Great results and it's always fun to watch them two battle it out! So we'll see. I'll have to ponder on this one.

edit: Updated for easier access to poll.
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birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
January 03 2013 17:05 GMT
#2
I love me some Thorzain. Got some nerdchills when he got that proleague win!
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Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
January 03 2013 17:06 GMT
#3
Nani got pretty far into Code S a few times. He is one of the best non-koreans. The other guys are okay too I guess.
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1803 Posts
January 03 2013 17:07 GMT
#4
NaNiwa, he did beat Flash in a bo3 and lost by 1 in the extended series. Also, Protoss fighting~
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 03 2013 17:08 GMT
#5
NaNiwa for sure I think, but everyone's got their own taste.
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
January 03 2013 17:09 GMT
#6
Naniwa had 0 top 4 finishes in major or premiere tournaments in 2012. Thorzain won a premiere tournament, won 3 major tournaments, and got 3rd at another major event. I feel that outweighs 2 gsl round of 8s.
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
January 03 2013 17:09 GMT
#7
On January 04 2013 02:07 Master of DalK wrote:
NaNiwa, he did beat Flash in a bo3 and lost by 1 in the extended series. Also, Protoss fighting~

On January 04 2013 02:05 birchman wrote:
I love me some Thorzain. Got some nerdchills when he got that proleague win!


Hahaha, these two exactly! You see why I can't make up my mind? It's so hard. Both of them are so good! Thorzain's win in proleague and Naniwa's GSL placement. Hehehe. They're both excellent! But then again, SortOf and SaSe have proven to be worthy recognition this year!
Jaedong <3
Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
January 03 2013 17:10 GMT
#8
Where is the poll in the OP? I think that's appropriate.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 03 2013 17:11 GMT
#9
My heart tells me ZaIN, of course ! But Nani had better results imo.
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 03 2013 17:11 GMT
#10
In my opinion Nani and Thorzain stands out of the five, and I would give my vote to Nani, for he's grat performances in Code-S!
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 17:32:07
January 03 2013 17:17 GMT
#11
I think I'd vote for Thorzain, but I can definitely see support for SortOf and Naniwa. SortOf should get a little more recognition for, you know, winning WCS Sweden . Edit: They say memory is the first to go...
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
January 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#12
On January 04 2013 02:17 MisterFred wrote:
I think I'd vote for Thorzain, but I can definitely see support for SortOf and Naniwa. SortOf should get a little more recognition for, you know, winning WCS Sweden .


Thorzain won WCS Sweden. SortOf placed second
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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Europe/Nationals/Sweden
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 03 2013 17:26 GMT
#13
Poor SortOf, with his amazing performance in MLG, it would've been enough to put him top place in any european country, except sweden and france.
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
January 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#14
My personal favourite of the bunch has to be Sase, but going off solely results the title of best Swede has to go to Naniwa or Thorzain
Baggins
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada86 Posts
January 03 2013 17:30 GMT
#15
Yeah Naniwa or Thorzain for sure. It's hard to fight with bo8's in the gsl
duckmaster
Profile Joined August 2011
687 Posts
January 03 2013 17:32 GMT
#16
NaNiwa, back to back GSL ro8, impressive stuff
RanDomFox
Profile Joined November 2012
United States84 Posts
January 03 2013 17:33 GMT
#17
thorzain wins because he has manner, naniwa has none
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speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
January 03 2013 17:38 GMT
#18
clearly thorzain
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 17:40:44
January 03 2013 17:38 GMT
#19
You have to pick between Nani's GSL runs and Thorzain's DH win (not counting WCS Sweden). Terran had a tougher year. It's not an easy choice. Glad SaSe and SortOf got mentioned as well, but considering the EG bandwagon I think this one is all said and done already.
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
January 03 2013 17:40 GMT
#20
Poor Naniwa, always coming in second to Thorzain.
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
Brandyyyy
Profile Joined July 2012
11 Posts
January 03 2013 17:40 GMT
#21
Sortof
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 03 2013 17:41 GMT
#22
ThorZaIN > SaSe > SortOf > Naniwa > Seiplo
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
January 03 2013 17:42 GMT
#23
It's gotta be Naniwa. He doesn't have big results as of late but like others have said he still consistently challenges and still often beats some of the world's best players. Thorzain I'm sorta losing hope in.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
January 03 2013 17:56 GMT
#24
On January 04 2013 02:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:
It's gotta be Naniwa. He doesn't have big results as of late but like others have said he still consistently challenges and still often beats some of the world's best players. Thorzain I'm sorta losing hope in.


Who is Naniwa challenging and beating among the best players of the world as of late?

Thorzain won 4 tournaments, including the 2 swedish crown and is 7-4 against Naniwa this year(4-0 offline), i think that's enough to give him the title.
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tiMelEfT
Profile Joined December 2012
United States228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 17:59:28
January 03 2013 17:58 GMT
#25
Naniwa for sure, no contest. And man, Sweden are good at SC.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
January 03 2013 17:58 GMT
#26
If I had to pick, it's a really close tie for first and second of Naniwa and Thorzain, with SortOf having a breakout year in 3rd.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Erehaimu
Profile Joined August 2012
Argentina23 Posts
January 03 2013 18:00 GMT
#27
Naniwa - hardest working player in SC2.
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
January 03 2013 18:01 GMT
#28
sweden should be really proud.some excellent players - naniwa , sase , thorzain <3
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23578 Posts
January 03 2013 18:02 GMT
#29
it's tied with 44% for thorzain and nani each, how come this happens so often in polls...
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 03 2013 18:03 GMT
#30
On January 04 2013 02:41 Mensol wrote:
ThorZaIN > SaSe > SortOf > Naniwa > Seiplo


this is a terrible scale lol. sase and sortof are clearly below Naniwa (two GSL ro8?).
The universe created an audience for itself.
Spoink
Profile Joined December 2012
Austria150 Posts
January 03 2013 18:03 GMT
#31
Thorzain!!!!!
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
January 03 2013 18:05 GMT
#32
Thorzain and Naniwa...

can't decide...

but Thorzain is the first foreigner since more than 2700 days who has beaten a korean in proleague.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 03 2013 18:08 GMT
#33
Naniwa got 2 Ro8 finishes in GSL in 2012 which gives him the nod for me. However, ThorzaiN is very close and his proleague win was probably the coolest thing I've seen out of either in terms of pure hype/joy.


I vote NaNiWa for his GSL performances and some strong finishes in side tournaments.
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Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
January 03 2013 18:09 GMT
#34
im sorry, but markus enklöf clearly wins the race
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8309 Posts
January 03 2013 18:09 GMT
#35
It's either Thorzain or SortOf. For the latter half of the year SortOf was a notch above I think. But in the end that narrow WCS Sweden speaks volumes and winning Dreamhack Stockholm over polt was just too cool. Sorry SortOf, I vote Thorzain.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 03 2013 18:09 GMT
#36
On January 04 2013 02:56 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 02:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:
It's gotta be Naniwa. He doesn't have big results as of late but like others have said he still consistently challenges and still often beats some of the world's best players. Thorzain I'm sorta losing hope in.


Who is Naniwa challenging and beating among the best players of the world as of late?

Thorzain won 4 tournaments, including the 2 swedish crown and is 7-4 against Naniwa this year(4-0 offline), i think that's enough to give him the title.


naniwa in the GSL ro8 twice is exponentially more impressive than local swedish titles or even a dreamhack win.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 03 2013 18:09 GMT
#37
Sase is really getting the short end of the stick in this poll, really kind of surprised to see him that far behind SortOf. They are both great players, Sase just didn't have a break out year like SortOf did I suppose.
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
January 03 2013 18:12 GMT
#38
rickard sortof!!!!!!!!!!
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 03 2013 18:15 GMT
#39
On January 04 2013 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote:
Sase is really getting the short end of the stick in this poll, really kind of surprised to see him that far behind SortOf. They are both great players, Sase just didn't have a break out year like SortOf did I suppose.


The problem is SaSe is about as consistent as a high school romance. One week it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but next week there's shit flying around and scathing videos being posted on the internet. I'm a big SaSe fan, but he's not consistent enough to make nearly the dent he deserves.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8309 Posts
January 03 2013 18:16 GMT
#40
On January 04 2013 03:03 Mortal wrote:
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On January 04 2013 02:41 Mensol wrote:
ThorZaIN > SaSe > SortOf > Naniwa > Seiplo


this is a terrible scale lol. sase and sortof are clearly below Naniwa (two GSL ro8?).


I agree with Mensol mostly, though I might switch Sase and SortOf.

In the end it was something like 12 games of starcraft for Naniwa, vs the RIDICULOUS run of Sase at MLG, beating players as good as Naniwa's competition in GSL, or SortOf's damn near victory at WCS Sweden and also placing 4th in NASL. Have you forgotten Naniwa's 0-10 start at the GSL? It took a while to get the matchups he needed to advance, and while it's absolutely a damn impressive feat, GSL isn't the only tournament that matters. Fruitdealer, Jjakji, and Seed are all GSL champions that didn't live up to their expectations after their glorious runs.

Naniwa's fantastic, and balance may have been a factor in SortOf's runs, but throughout an entire year I think at least 20 games of starcraft should be taken into consideration.
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.Wraath
Profile Joined May 2012
United States262 Posts
January 03 2013 18:17 GMT
#41
On January 04 2013 02:33 RanDomFox wrote:
thorzain wins because he has manner, naniwa has none


Apparently you cant read the title?

This is not "best mannered player from Sweden"

Anyways, Naniwa with 2 back to back ro8, thorzain didnt even win a match in the GSL did he?
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
January 03 2013 18:19 GMT
#42
Thorzain was much more consistent in 2012 so he gets my vote over Naniwa. Sweden has some very strong players though.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 03 2013 18:19 GMT
#43
I don't know why Seiplo is in the poll over StarNaN who reached semifinals in DH Bucarest (not a great DH but still a better run than Seiplo's ones).
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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
January 03 2013 18:21 GMT
#44
On January 04 2013 03:17 .Wraath wrote:
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On January 04 2013 02:33 RanDomFox wrote:
thorzain wins because he has manner, naniwa has none


Apparently you cant read the title?

This is not "best mannered player from Sweden"

Anyways, Naniwa with 2 back to back ro8, thorzain didnt even win a match in the GSL did he?

He won against GuMiho in his Code S group.
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 03 2013 18:22 GMT
#45
Naniwa is clearly the best, thorzain and sase are pretty equal i would say, they come in on 2nd place.
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Mikah
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland230 Posts
January 03 2013 18:22 GMT
#46
naniwa by far
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45923 Posts
January 03 2013 18:32 GMT
#47
For 2012, Naniwa's GSL Code S runs were the most amazing feats between these guys.

A close second to Naniwa is Thorzain. The other players don't come close to Naniwa and Thorzain.
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Cauldron
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland125 Posts
January 03 2013 18:34 GMT
#48
I would say Naniwa
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 03 2013 18:35 GMT
#49
1. Naniwa
2. SaSe
3. ThorZaIN
4. SortOf
5. Seiplo
GoingGoingGone
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Slovakia529 Posts
January 03 2013 18:37 GMT
#50
Naniwa had higher peaks, Thorzain is a lot more consistent. SaSe and SortOf are great as well, but I'd say they are ever so slightly behind the first two.

I'd say Naniwa - thanks to those GSL accomplishments - had a better year than Throzain, but by a very tiny margin.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45923 Posts
January 03 2013 18:38 GMT
#51
On January 04 2013 03:35 Eee wrote:
1. Naniwa
2. SaSe
3. ThorZaIN

4. SortOf
5. Seiplo


While I love SaSe, and he's fantastic, I don't think he's accomplished nearly as much as Thorzain has in 2012, so I'd switch them. I agree with the rest of your list
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
January 03 2013 18:38 GMT
#52
I was thinking of writing something somewhere else but it might be better received in this thread. So pardon me for going somewhat OT here. It's been a good year for Swedish sc2 (and esports in general). The three kings have cemented their positions from 2011 with Thorzain and Naniwa constantly battling for the top spot. Sase is still looking for that big break-out victory but his amazing flashes of brilliant micro and his build-maker character is just saying that it's a matter of time rather than anything else until Sase takes something big. SortOf has tried to ascend the scene of the big three but hasn't quite made it after an impressive summer run.

Naniwa and Thorzain have slumped dreadfully both of them only to return and do very well. It's probably just going to continue to be like that. In the end I think Nani wins out over Thorzain for sheer power of his play. When Naniwa is good, he's one of the absolute best quite simply. It's just not taken him all the way through in 2012.

Meanwhile the Swedish middle class of players has been exchanged and renewed with Haypro and Jinro retiring. Sjow's disappearance into the shadows is part of the same trend. Morrow remains stabile in the middle. Starnan and Seiplo are the newcomers who have done quite well but are rather far from the absolute top.

It's been a great year for swedish players, and probably an even better year for Swedish production (ie, DH and WCS Europe).
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
January 03 2013 18:43 GMT
#53
On January 04 2013 03:22 Fus wrote:
Naniwa is clearly the best, thorzain and sase are pretty equal i would say, they come in on 2nd place.


thorzain beat nani the last time they played...
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
January 03 2013 18:45 GMT
#54
thorzain is the best for 2012

yeah naniwa got to ro8 gsk but he did that only on his pvp mostly and he chose to play in gsl knowing that he prob wouldnt get far.

thorzain has better results and beats him most of the time.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 03 2013 18:48 GMT
#55
Thorzain. He won DH Stockholm, WCS Sweden, Asus ROG Invite at the GD Studio. Hell he even took out Naniwa at multiple tournaments.

Naniwa's GSL runs were done on his PvP. And pretty much outside of GSL he did horrible.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 18:51:13
January 03 2013 18:49 GMT
#56
On January 04 2013 03:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
For 2012, Naniwa's GSL Code S runs were the most amazing feats between these guys.

A close second to Naniwa is Thorzain. The other players don't come close to Naniwa and Thorzain.


Considering it was 2012 and not prior yeah Naniwa going back-to-back deep is quite something. If it were the early days, well hm... I guess some strats are better depending on the time, but the early games really didn't leave much to the imagination even though it's supposed to be the time we see all sorts of things, meh.

On January 04 2013 03:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
Thorzain. He won DH Stockholm, WCS Sweden, Asus ROG Invite at the GD Studio. Hell he even took out Naniwa at multiple tournaments.

Naniwa's GSL runs were done on his PvP. And pretty much outside of GSL he did horrible.


An eight man tournament and a national. -_- Albeit Sweden does have a handful of respectable players.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 03 2013 18:50 GMT
#57
On January 04 2013 03:15 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote:
Sase is really getting the short end of the stick in this poll, really kind of surprised to see him that far behind SortOf. They are both great players, Sase just didn't have a break out year like SortOf did I suppose.


The problem is SaSe is about as consistent as a high school romance. One week it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but next week there's shit flying around and scathing videos being posted on the internet. I'm a big SaSe fan, but he's not consistent enough to make nearly the dent he deserves.


That about sums it up, he is Code S class in a coin flip. I am a fairly big Sase fanboy and have missed many a bet backing my heart on that crazy Swede.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 03 2013 18:52 GMT
#58
On January 04 2013 03:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 03:15 Mortal wrote:
On January 04 2013 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote:
Sase is really getting the short end of the stick in this poll, really kind of surprised to see him that far behind SortOf. They are both great players, Sase just didn't have a break out year like SortOf did I suppose.


The problem is SaSe is about as consistent as a high school romance. One week it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but next week there's shit flying around and scathing videos being posted on the internet. I'm a big SaSe fan, but he's not consistent enough to make nearly the dent he deserves.


That about sums it up, he is Code S class in a coin flip. I am a fairly big Sase fanboy and have missed many a bet backing my heart on that crazy Swede.


He reminds me of Demu.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 03 2013 18:54 GMT
#59
On January 04 2013 03:49 StarStruck wrote:
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On January 04 2013 03:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
For 2012, Naniwa's GSL Code S runs were the most amazing feats between these guys.

A close second to Naniwa is Thorzain. The other players don't come close to Naniwa and Thorzain.


Considering it was 2012 and not prior yeah Naniwa going back-to-back deep is quite something. If it were the early days, well hm... I guess some strats are better depending on the time, but the early games really didn't leave much to the imagination even though it's supposed to be the time we see all sorts of things, meh.

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On January 04 2013 03:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
Thorzain. He won DH Stockholm, WCS Sweden, Asus ROG Invite at the GD Studio. Hell he even took out Naniwa at multiple tournaments.

Naniwa's GSL runs were done on his PvP. And pretty much outside of GSL he did horrible.


An eight man tournament and a national. -_- Albeit Sweden does have a handful of respectable players.

the national that naniwa was supposed to win... but didnt. If Naniwa would have put up decent results outside of those two GSL runs then he would be the best Swedish player. But he didn't. He flamed out of quite a few tournaments. JYPs hand? And then he completely bombed out of GSL.

Winning some PvPs in code S doesnt make you the best player.
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saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
January 03 2013 18:55 GMT
#60
1. Seiplo
2. Seiplo
3. Seiplo
4. ?
9001. The rest of them
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
January 03 2013 18:55 GMT
#61
Haters gonna...

Nani made it plenty far in DH:s and MLG:s the year round.
MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
January 03 2013 18:55 GMT
#62
On January 04 2013 03:49 StarStruck wrote:
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On January 04 2013 03:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
Thorzain. He won DH Stockholm, WCS Sweden, Asus ROG Invite at the GD Studio. Hell he even took out Naniwa at multiple tournaments.

Naniwa's GSL runs were done on his PvP. And pretty much outside of GSL he did horrible.


An eight man tournament and a national. -_- Albeit Sweden does have a handful of respectable players.


It was the Swedish national and this is about the best Swedish player so I think it counts pretty havy.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 03 2013 19:00 GMT
#63
On January 04 2013 03:52 StarStruck wrote:
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On January 04 2013 03:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
On January 04 2013 03:15 Mortal wrote:
On January 04 2013 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote:
Sase is really getting the short end of the stick in this poll, really kind of surprised to see him that far behind SortOf. They are both great players, Sase just didn't have a break out year like SortOf did I suppose.


The problem is SaSe is about as consistent as a high school romance. One week it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but next week there's shit flying around and scathing videos being posted on the internet. I'm a big SaSe fan, but he's not consistent enough to make nearly the dent he deserves.


That about sums it up, he is Code S class in a coin flip. I am a fairly big Sase fanboy and have missed many a bet backing my heart on that crazy Swede.


He reminds me of Demu.

I can see the comparison, those tournaments or series where Demu looks unbeatable are fun to watch even when you don't play Terran. You know, up into the point of tilting; then it is like watching a television series where you know something bad is going to happen. You want to turn it off, but you might miss something important.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
January 03 2013 19:04 GMT
#64
ThorZaIN, he is terran.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 03 2013 19:13 GMT
#65
I would have to say nani then thorzain, cmon guys, you know GSL is something else, just because it is the same players in GSL as some other tournaments does not not mean it is the same, the practice that goes into each individual game in GSL is far higher than any tournament that spans only a few days or a week.

Whilst thorzain has had several amazing runs and is terran, two back to back Ro8 GSL placements is above that.

nani fighting <3
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MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
January 03 2013 19:44 GMT
#66
If we're going purely on skill I'd say Naniwa edges out Thorzain. If we're defining best player based on skill and personality, Thorzain pulls far ahead of Nani.
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Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 03 2013 20:54 GMT
#67
NaNi in every part but manners, but who gives a shit about that.
#freeshauni
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
January 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#68
I think Naniwa had a higher peak, but Thorzain is much more likeable.
t e a C h e r
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada151 Posts
January 03 2013 21:22 GMT
#69
It has to be between ThorZaIN and SortOf.

But because I'm a Terran player, I give it to ThorZaiN. He is so sick, and I love his slow play.
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
January 04 2013 05:19 GMT
#70
It's interesting to see. Prior to me posting this when it was only on the Swedish website, Thorzain was in the lead by a lot. Now that the international community got a hold of it, Naniwa has achieved first place.
Jaedong <3
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
January 04 2013 05:22 GMT
#71
Thorzain of course......best foreigner terran
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
January 04 2013 05:25 GMT
#72
Nani and Thorzain are both handsome as all hell.. Look at those studs... But I'd have to vote for Thorzain if I could. Sorry Nani! If i had to bang either of them I would have to chose naniwa, however.
since 98'
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
January 04 2013 05:27 GMT
#73
Too bad in the end, this doesn't mean anything at all.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 04 2013 05:28 GMT
#74
On January 04 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 03:52 StarStruck wrote:
On January 04 2013 03:50 ThomasjServo wrote:
On January 04 2013 03:15 Mortal wrote:
On January 04 2013 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote:
Sase is really getting the short end of the stick in this poll, really kind of surprised to see him that far behind SortOf. They are both great players, Sase just didn't have a break out year like SortOf did I suppose.


The problem is SaSe is about as consistent as a high school romance. One week it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but next week there's shit flying around and scathing videos being posted on the internet. I'm a big SaSe fan, but he's not consistent enough to make nearly the dent he deserves.


That about sums it up, he is Code S class in a coin flip. I am a fairly big Sase fanboy and have missed many a bet backing my heart on that crazy Swede.


He reminds me of Demu.

I can see the comparison, those tournaments or series where Demu looks unbeatable are fun to watch even when you don't play Terran. You know, up into the point of tilting; then it is like watching a television series where you know something bad is going to happen. You want to turn it off, but you might miss something important.


It's also their personality and how they practice to. They are very similar.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
January 04 2013 05:29 GMT
#75
Gotta vote for my EG homeboy Tfunk
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 05:49:03
January 04 2013 05:39 GMT
#76
NaNiwa, because he was able to get to the quarterfinals of the GSL twice, better than Thorzain or any other non-korean did in the GSL
EZ4ENCE
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
January 04 2013 05:44 GMT
#77
Only got room for Morrow in my infested heart.
"Right on" - Morrow
ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
January 04 2013 05:48 GMT
#78
Thorzain is the best player in the universe, let alone Sweden. I will beg him to bang my future wife and name the kids after him. One Marcus, one Eklof and one ThorZaIN, spelled just like that.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 04 2013 06:02 GMT
#79
Thorzain all the way!
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 06:37:22
January 04 2013 06:20 GMT
#80
ThorZaIN!

Thorzain is the best player in the universe, let alone Sweden. I will beg him to bang my future wife and name the kids after him. One Marcus, one Eklof and one ThorZaIN, spelled just like that.


I like the cut of your jibe ne0lith.

Not to mention, right before the year ended, he got the first foreigner win in Proleague in almost 8 years.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
wTeffecT
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia12 Posts
January 04 2013 15:14 GMT
#81
I don't think 2 Bo8s outdoes the Premier win, 3 Major wins as well as several placings, and his proleague record (though it doesn't count for much ). Nani might have been more impressive if he has earned his Code S spot, instead of being seeded.

On top of this, ThorZaIN consistently took home tournaments that Naniwa was 'meant' to win, and has soundly beaten him every time they met in a tournament.

ThorZaIN wins this one IMO.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 04 2013 15:16 GMT
#82
On January 05 2013 00:14 wTeffecT wrote:
I don't think 2 Bo8s outdoes the Premier win, 3 Major wins as well as several placings, and his proleague record (though it doesn't count for much ). Nani might have been more impressive if he has earned his Code S spot, instead of being seeded.

On top of this, ThorZaIN consistently took home tournaments that Naniwa was 'meant' to win, and has soundly beaten him every time they met in a tournament.

ThorZaIN wins this one IMO.


He did earn his Code S spot by making it to Ro8.
I think Naniwa deserves this. While he does drop some series to people he should beat, he's always somewhat consistent and 2 GSL Ro8s say a ton about a player's skill.
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Bahajinbo
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany488 Posts
January 04 2013 15:20 GMT
#83
ThorZaIN all the way. Great performances and a very smart player.
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