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On December 29 2012 00:54 Gojira621 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 00:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL? because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby?
He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby.
But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them:
JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers.
Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain...
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IM representing in every group.
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Heh, iirc HuK beat Nestea when last they met.
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I actually hope that Grubby goes like a month in advance? and practice with the koreans like a boss. =\
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Holy God with 7 IM players, and yet there's still a way for all to advance! GoGo Nestea, Losira, Byul, Yoda, Happy, First and Yonghwa!
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On December 29 2012 01:00 WhX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 00:54 Gojira621 wrote:On December 29 2012 00:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL? because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby? He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers. Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain...
I would take San, Jjajki, and maybe Tails off of that list. San and jjakji have pretty much nothing to show that they can hang in GSL long enough to deserve an up/down seed, whereas with grubby and huk, even if they don't qualify, will bring in tons of viewers and ticket buyers. It's still a business, and while yes there are a handful of players who get looked over for these non-korean players, it's not as severe as people are making it out to be. I honestly think Grubby has a chance to win some games and maybe qualify. HuK i have no idea because I don't really know how great he is right now, but in the past he was a long-time resident of Code S. If he can do it once I think he can do it again
edit: I know jjakji is a former Code S champion which is a huge accomplishment, but since winning that title he has really really struggled in GSL and hasn't really competed much outside korea.
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On December 29 2012 01:00 WhX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 00:54 Gojira621 wrote:On December 29 2012 00:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL? because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby? He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers. Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain...
The majority of the Kespa players as well .Seeing how Huk or Thorzain probably wont win a game in Proleague is proof of that also the MvP invitational was enough proof already .
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
I would take San, Jjajki, and maybe Tails off of that list. San and jjakji have pretty much nothing to show that they can hang in GSL long enough to deserve an up/down seed, whereas with grubby and huk, even if they don't qualify, will bring in tons of viewers and ticket buyers. It's still a business, and while yes there are a handful of players who get looked over for these non-korean players, it's not as severe as people are making it out to be. I honestly think Grubby has a chance to win some games and maybe qualify. HuK i have no idea because I don't really know how great he is right now, but in the past he was a long-time resident of Code S. If he can do it once I think he can do it again
edit: I know jjakji is a former Code S champion which is a huge accomplishment, but since winning that title he has really really struggled in GSL and hasn't really competed much outside korea.
So you are saying that Huk and Grubby deserve Code S more then Rain ? People need to stop with the illusions that foreigners can compete with koreans , because they can't . There was a time although a short one when they could , but now they simply can't unless they prove it .
Beating 1 korean won't prove anything . Send them to the offline qualifiers and lets see how far they can get . I doubt that they can even qualify for Code A .
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Its a shame that HuK got a spot, I wonder why EG still pays him.
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I really don't get the Huk seed. I saw an interview with him and he said that he was going to take some time off from starcraft. Seems a tad bizarre.
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JD, Flash, MC, YongwHa and Yoda!!! I think I'm going to buy a pass just for that group!
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O.O group A wtf. Atleast NesTea has a group he can get out of!
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Yay Grubby! I hope he does well. 
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On December 29 2012 01:07 Gojira621 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 01:00 WhX wrote:On December 29 2012 00:54 Gojira621 wrote:On December 29 2012 00:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL? because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby? He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers. Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain... I would take San, Jjajki, and maybe Tails off of that list. San and jjakji have pretty much nothing to show that they can hang in GSL long enough to deserve an up/down seed, whereas with grubby and huk, even if they don't qualify, will bring in tons of viewers and ticket buyers. It's still a business, and while yes there are a handful of players who get looked over for these non-korean players, it's not as severe as people are making it out to be. I honestly think Grubby has a chance to win some games and maybe qualify. HuK i have no idea because I don't really know how great he is right now, but in the past he was a long-time resident of Code S. If he can do it once I think he can do it again edit: I know jjakji is a former Code S champion which is a huge accomplishment, but since winning that title he has really really struggled in GSL and hasn't really competed much outside korea.
I didn't even talk about popularity, viewer attraction and stuff like that. Grubby's seed is reasonable especially regarding his popularity, but HuK getting a seed like that is kinda weird. Some seasons ago he actually got an up&down seed as well iirc, wasn't even happy about it and eventually dropped out of Code A entirely.
San and Tails are both underrated Protoss players. Same goes for a lot of other Korean players. GSL is pretty unforgiving and most of these guys don't even get to show what they're capable of. In addition to that most of'em don't attend foreign tournaments at all, so it's hard to compare them to top foreigners.
Here are some more players from the Prelims who didn't make it through last time:
Zer0, Killer, Sting, Lure, Puma, Dear, eff0rt, Monster, Her0, YugiOh, Brown, Suhosin and Jaehoon.
Some of them are rising stars (Kespa players), some of'em have been around for many months. Most people don't even know SuhoSin, even though he was in Code S in Season 3 (with some luck on his side, but he's a skilled player nontheless). Killer gets mentioned in interviews by his fellow teammates all the time, so he's still around (could be compared to HuK).
I do support people who stated that there are many players in Code B who deserve a seed (especially in terms of skill) as well. But I don't want to take away any credit from Grubby and HuK (he was a regular Code S player in 2011 after all) and hope they do well.
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If NesTea is going to get back into code S, this is the season to do it; by far the easiest group imo.
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whoever makes it out of these groups really deserve code s for the FINALS WOL GSL 
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On December 28 2012 17:30 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:20 Gorlin wrote:On December 28 2012 17:16 SamirDuran wrote:
how does grubby and huk qualified to up & down? GSL gives foreign seeds for up and down sometimes. Sometimes? More like all the time. -_-
It's good for business, more foreign fans tune in when there are foreign players.
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Grubby got what I believe to be the hardest group there. Huk got the easiest.
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Geebers... group A is insane. Any group where MC might be the underdog is just heavily stacked. Finally get to see JD vs Flash again though. Those two used to be my favourite matchup to watch back in the BW days.
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EPT
