EPTNew Maps for 2013 Ladder Season 1 - Page 4
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I think its time for a 3rd party ladder to rise up and replace the Blizzard one ------- before they kill their own game by insisting on making their own ladder maps. The way they insist on making the middle of every map un-passable due to watchtowers is just annoying. Has any mapmaking group actually tried to contact blizzard about this kind of stuff with stats and explenations? All we see here is ranting about it. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:21 Gfire wrote: They said they ditched it cause tournaments weren't using it. I seem to recall there was also some balance issues aswell. I am happy to see Taldarim gone at last. Good to see the pool moving forward. Some would say Shakuras is gone, but i personally i find it like saying Belshir Beach was removed when its Winter version got introduced. Newkirk is the legacy of Shakuras. Anyone who cannot see that should considered getting their eyes checked. Of course its design has been refined as expected. Mind you Shakuras used to be a 2v2 map. Newkirk has that design adjusted to be a proper 2 spawn 1v1 map, but the expansion pattern and ways of engagement are largely the same, and thus it can be expected that gameplay too will be similar. Also been given its proper Terran theme because it has always been a design favoring Terran more. I don't mind through. Shakuras was a map that had you force a direct engagement and didn't allow you very well to circumvent armies through runbies. But those maps have a space in the mappools i feel. Maps can't all be Cloud kingdom. | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:31 Sumadin wrote: I seem to recall there was also some balance issues aswell. Yeah, at pro-level. Monitor developed a version to be more balanced, but Blizzard wouldn't use it on ladder since the stats on it were good. But since it wasn't balanced for tournaments, the tournaments didn't use it and because of that they removed it from ladder. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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gamingaddictmike
Canada30 Posts
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
Two maps I have veto'd, replaced by two maps I'll veto. Awful maps like Antiga that have been in the map pool for over a year and a half still here. Although given how long it took them to remove shakuras, looks like the map pool is set for another year. Custom ladder please. | ||
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:26 Assirra wrote: Has any mapmaking group actually tried to contact blizzard about this kind of stuff with stats and explenations? All we see here is ranting about it. They do it all the time. Diamond from ESV is supposedly in direct contact with Blizzard. Not that they have any obligation to listen. Which they clearly havn't done in this case. Also be careful to judge Blizzard ladder maps based on Balance numbers from pro scene. Stuff acts differently on ladder. Cloud Kingdom for example is reported to be 70% PvT. Doesn't mean people are shouting at getting it removed. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
I really hope somebody figures out how to run their own b.net 0.2 server soon, because otherwise I need to get a friendlist full of people to run customs all day, as ladder is gonna be a huge joke. Didn't they say they wanted to make the ladder pool a tournament map pool? I highly doubt any tournament will adopt these shitty new maps (why the fuck are they still making maps anyways they obviously suck at it, the only blizzard maps still used in tournaments are highly imbalanced in some matchups), just copy the kespa/gsl map pool ffs. | ||
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eLeVaTioN
United States97 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
removing shakuras but keeping condemned? yes its new.. but it's horrible meanwhile, great maps like TDA are removed, only to add in more terrible maps they created. are they that narcissistic? when will they realize they have always sucked with map design... no close positions addressed on maps that need it (entombed, antiga) maps like condemned stay.. what? why not abyssal? whirlwind? vestige? .. it feel like they dont watch gsl | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:36 gamingaddictmike wrote: Congratulations blizzard. You've now ignored your community regarding maps for 3 straight seasons. my thoughts exactly.. it seriously takes 1 minute to set up a poll on TL, all they have to do is make a fucking account and ask us here and on their website as well. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:41 Lorch wrote: Maybe that's where the group function comes in, how ironic.Please somebody get us a private server. Blizzard is obviously as incompetent about maps as always. Like literally all they need to do is get someone to post a poll before every season to take two maps out and get two new ones in. I really hope somebody figures out how to run their own b.net 0.2 server soon, because otherwise I need to get a friendlist full of people to run customs all day, as ladder is gonna be a huge joke. Didn't they say they wanted to make the ladder pool a tournament map pool? I highly doubt any tournament will adopt these shitty new maps (why the fuck are they still making maps anyways they obviously suck at it, the only blizzard maps still used in tournaments are highly imbalanced in some matchups), just copy the kespa/gsl map pool ffs. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
Wanna know something else that isn't news. I saw this one coming over a month ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=379428¤tpage=6#113 + Show Spoiler + And then there is Blizzard. While five of the ladder six pool still are in the ladder i have a tough time really blaming it on Blizzard. There is 2 reasons. First of all while people critize them for not adding community maps and taking in their own "trash" map, this is how they have always acted. They don't take in community map unless they have already been tried and tested by tournements, they have never done that. And the one time they did take in a GSL map that was sorta new, metropolis, it soon turned out to be one of the most broken map ever both in balance and in design. Heavy lag made metropolis have the douptful honor of being the second map ever to get removed from ladder mid-season. And here begs the question. Which community map outside of the standard pool is currently tested enough to be considered ladder worthy? Because tournements are not bringing in anything new. And even through Blizzard actually have added a new map of their own noone uses it. The second reason i don't blame Blizzard is that HOTS is coming up. Coming up from WOW i can tell you one thing. This is the season where you can expect least to be done from Blizzard. All their reassources usually gets focused on the expansion and you can also see it in the map pool changes or lack of thereoff. Infact if you take a look at the seasons up until now it is easy to see a pattern. As we got closer to HOTS less and less maps got changed. Sure better overall map balance can be one reason but i think it also tells me that Blizzard have gradually moved their map team over to focus mostly on HOTS. This will probably also mean that once HOTS gets launched we will see Blizzard implementing their own maps in a pace we saw back in season 3. But as for right now it means we can't expect anything here. i didn't expect them to reverse port some of the HOTS maps so i guess my analyses was slightly off. But overall nothing here is the least surprising. And neither should it surprise you. This is really just the circle moving on really. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I think its time for a 3rd party ladder to rise up and replace the Blizzard one ------- before they kill their own game by insisting on making their own ladder maps. The way they insist on making the middle of every map un-passable due to watchtowers is just annoying. yup this is what needs to happen. i think we have been too patient with the map pool as a community, especially considering the great mapmaking that has been happening the last year and a half or so | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:50 Yorbon wrote: Maybe that's where the group function comes in, how ironic. Almost as ironic as not being able to find friends, or easily play with people around your skill level without being force into ladder and horrible maps. Funny how that logic works, right? Seriously, you cannot justify the actions blizzard is taking at this point. You can give them valid evidence as to why they should fix it, but if they just continually ignore the community, as they have been doing, we're really only left with the depression that comes from being stuck with this set of developers and community leaders. @Sumadin : Just because you see it coming, or just because it's continually been happening, does not make a horrible decision justifiable. It's still illogical and does not help further the community, marketing sales, or the social interpretation of those who are "supposed" to be listening to us at blizzard. | ||
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