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StarCraft 2 Balance - Premier Cupresults in 2012 - Page 9

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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 20 2012 12:36 GMT
#161
What's the point of counting results that took place prior to the queen patch? It completely changed the way an entire matchup was played overnight.
NeutralDepot
Profile Joined December 2012
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-20 13:47:05
December 20 2012 12:45 GMT
#162
Khaldor has to be a pretty ignorant person if he doesn't realize that the tournament he currently casts (GSL Blizzard Cup) is composed of the winners of the recent most important major tournaments. How many of them are terran? 1. Which means that this tournament has a ten percent terran portion. And the lone terran who is there is not there because of recent achievement but because of his stellar performance in the past.
Oh btw he totally bopped his group by winning a single game out of 4 bo3s. Anbody who fails to see that terrans is on the ropes at the moment is completely ignorant. Maybe Khaldor should actually follow the SC2 scene. The balance is horrible for Terran right now and it makes my heart bleed to watch another tournament with terrans getting eliminated this early.

It's funny how people like Khaldor or Day9 as well (mocking the term patchzerg) try to pour oil on troubled water instead of actually critising Blizzard for its inaction and indecisiveness.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_GSL_Blizzard_Cup
All of these premier events were played under 1.5.3. but I see none of them won by terran. Where are all the terran winners of premier events post queen patch?


LOL.

I just took a look at the list Khaldors has his information from:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

He has to be joking right? He really has to be joking. The queen patch hit May 10th. Since then two terrans have won anything truly signifcant with Taeja winning three events and Mvp winning a GSL.
This list is pretty much the best indicator for horrible imbalance. Just to remind you terran late game vs Zerg was already killed off in February with the ghost nerf.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 20 2012 13:04 GMT
#163
while its great that its a nice even distribution of wins across the board for each race. all it proves is that each race has had their time in the limelight.

in the beggining of sc2 Terran was unstoppable, and today they are the weakest race. not even up for debate

so while its great that over the course of years the game has seen even spread of success for each race. its completely irrelevant to the balance problems of the present.

thanks for the stats khaldor, its heartwarming to see that over the time we've all been playing and watching sc2 that each race has done as well as the others at some point(s) in time, but it doesnt change the fact that we are currently dealing with an imbalanced game right now.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-20 16:59:08
December 20 2012 16:50 GMT
#164
Okay, wanted to break some stuff down for anyone curious:

- Balance patch was put forward on May 10th 2012.
- 24 events have fully completed since that date.
- Of those 24 events, the breakdown is as follows:

[image loading]

Now, if we only look at the most recent 10 events, it edges out a bit more:

[image loading]
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madespecifically
Profile Joined December 2012
39 Posts
December 22 2012 13:31 GMT
#165
On December 21 2012 01:50 divito wrote:
Okay, wanted to break some stuff down for anyone curious:

- Balance patch was put forward on May 10th 2012.
- 24 events have fully completed since that date.
- Of those 24 events, the breakdown is as follows:

[image loading]

Now, if we only look at the most recent 10 events, it edges out a bit more:

[image loading]


That chart is a much more accurate representation of what we see at tournaments. Good job.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 22 2012 13:54 GMT
#166
On December 21 2012 01:50 divito wrote:
Okay, wanted to break some stuff down for anyone curious:

- Balance patch was put forward on May 10th 2012.
- 24 events have fully completed since that date.
- Of those 24 events, the breakdown is as follows:

[image loading]

Now, if we only look at the most recent 10 events, it edges out a bit more:

[image loading]


Yeah. Balance is basically as bad as it was before the queen patch.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 13:56:03
December 22 2012 13:55 GMT
#167
On December 19 2012 16:22 Khaldor wrote:
After I posted this on Reddit a few people argued that the information should rather be posted on TL. So here you go:

As it's nearly the end of 2012 now and after all the recent balance whining I was curious about the results in Premier Tournaments in 2012. So I took the liberty of having a closer look at Liquipedia and the race distribution for 1st and 2nd place finishers in 2012. Here are the results:
  • Zerg: 1st - 13 times, 2nd - 16 times
  • Protoss: 1st - 13 times, 2nd - 15 times
  • Terran: 1st - 13 times, 2nd - 8 times

What does this mean? I'm not trying to say the game is balanced. Nor am I saying that certain units (Infestors hi?) don't need to be changed. All I am saying is that these days everyone echoes "facts" they've read on Twitter, Reddit or here on TL whithout even thinking about them. The game is certainly not perfect and there are a lot of things that need to be changed, BUT it is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be these days.

TLDR: StarCraft2, even though not balanced, is not AS imbalanced as people might want you believe it is

Khaldor i like you man. But this kind of logic is what made the problem with PvZ in the first place. Overall balance instead of gameplay active balance. Most of the PvZ games are awful to watch, the finals today ended up discussing balance (inrmotalsentry vs broodfestors) because the match up is downright boring and mono dimensional.
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