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YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
December 05 2012 02:01 GMT
#441
Super Sad man thats crazy
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 05 2012 02:02 GMT
#442
On December 05 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
EG and Liquid will be the last NA teams standing in the end I think.

shoulder to shoulders with arms around each other staring down the coming swarm of koreans
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
December 05 2012 02:04 GMT
#443
That sucks. But more good players on the market.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 05 2012 02:07 GMT
#444
Ah, this so sad:



Read comments too.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 05 2012 02:09 GMT
#445
Flo might get picked up for cheap by another team. She did take a game off iNcontroL at MLG Dallas 2012 so she may be getting better.
ViktorSC
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States75 Posts
December 05 2012 02:15 GMT
#446
Nerd fraternities indeed. Time to swallow our pride and think of the community, like im sure it used to be.
Buildings are units, units are buildings.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
December 05 2012 02:19 GMT
#447
...... WoW...
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
December 05 2012 02:21 GMT
#448
On December 05 2012 10:47 ViktorSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 10:40 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:38 ViktorSC wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:33 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:47 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
[quote]

Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser


You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is.


Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....???

wow

The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run.

Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.


I don't know how you would know the business model of EG. I HIGHLY DOUBT that she is the employee responsible for meeting with corporations for promotional/financial details.

Far as the celeb thing goes, she was/is as famous as any regional network reporter. Not a big deal, I could find more qualified/attractive FACE for the corporate reps at my university's communication major.
EG is far from being anything close to a "wallstreet powerhouse", but they are the most professional/proactive organization in the business.

Marketing for eSports should resemble MLS teams, because both of their target audience share similar sociological factors that draw them in.

On December 05 2012 09:40 ViktorSC wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.

I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.

The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.

I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.



It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview.


Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest.


Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser

This is true. The fact is these teams are branded team. If theyre players are not good at least they are very popular. That is what keeps them running, remember that any foreign team is in danger of falling to a better korean team.

I dont agree with the business model comment. I believe the problem is players seeking the best team instead of playing their game. What attracts sponsors? Wins, wins, and more wins. How can you always win if you are always taking chances at the best tournament. The money always follows the talent and talent is honed at home. This is actually what is wrong with eSports. You cant run a team like a business because it is not one. But the business you create with it keeps the team running. I was gonna say more but I really need to think about what I want to say... Ill be back.


How are teams not a business?
All real sport teams are run like a business.
If this was 5 years ago when eSports was just a few nerds living in their parent's basement it would be a different story, but the scene has evolved to a semi-legitimacy. To get the best results, sponsorship, and more fans players must adapt to the market.

"All real sport teams are run like a business." First of all, all real sports teams, the best ones, started out as real teams. The reason they are so popular is through years of playing in a town or city. They have to build trust, no? So, its not really a business. They compete, they deal with each other, not customers. They create business by selling shirts, tickets, whatnot like a "real sports team".


Real professional sports teams are businesses, regardless of how they started off. There really is no exception.

IF and when they can get a fan base. If Quantic had the fan base they prob couldve saved the team. We all watched Moneyball. We know how it works. The point is Quantic failed because it was run like a business and not a team. Real teams, Chelsea FC, the Patriots, Dream Team, all run like teams and not businesses. The concept of a team is always in the heart of an organization.

But the business they create allows them to make smart decisions. (Will I get banned for editing my comments many times?)


You watched Moneyball? OMG you must have a great understanding of finance and business...

In what way was Quantic run like a business?
They did not put out consistent streams, popular events, or any sponsor promotion.

The Patriots are the most businesslike team in the NFL. Their players understand they are only good as their last season.
The only real constant in their team since the Belichek era is Tom Brady and Vince Wilfork.
It is because of the pressure and the lack of job security that keeps their players so prepared and motivated.
The Pats front office is the best at quantifying a player's worth, this is the reason behind their success during the era of free agency.
KingJames
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada42 Posts
December 05 2012 02:21 GMT
#449
On December 05 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
EG and Liquid will be the last NA teams standing in the end I think.


Pretty sure Liquid is European. O_o
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 02:24:18
December 05 2012 02:23 GMT
#450
On December 05 2012 11:21 KingJames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
EG and Liquid will be the last NA teams standing in the end I think.


Pretty sure Liquid is European. O_o


You know, I keep forgetting that. However, their HQ is in NY, so that's why I always call them an NA team. OK, EG will be the last NA team standing and will have our the NA sponsors to themselves!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
December 05 2012 02:26 GMT
#451
That's a shame.
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 05 2012 02:28 GMT
#452
On December 05 2012 11:21 KingJames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
EG and Liquid will be the last NA teams standing in the end I think.


Pretty sure Liquid is European. O_o


Pretty sure Liquid is international.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
December 05 2012 02:29 GMT
#453
Wow, I never saw this one coming. I had hope they would be come one of the biggest teams in the future, with Google officially sponsoring them instead of two their employees.
Someone call down the Thunder?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 05 2012 02:30 GMT
#454
On December 05 2012 11:21 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 10:47 ViktorSC wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:40 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:38 ViktorSC wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:33 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:47 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
[quote]
To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser


You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is.


Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....???

wow

The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run.

Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.


I don't know how you would know the business model of EG. I HIGHLY DOUBT that she is the employee responsible for meeting with corporations for promotional/financial details.

Far as the celeb thing goes, she was/is as famous as any regional network reporter. Not a big deal, I could find more qualified/attractive FACE for the corporate reps at my university's communication major.
EG is far from being anything close to a "wallstreet powerhouse", but they are the most professional/proactive organization in the business.

Marketing for eSports should resemble MLS teams, because both of their target audience share similar sociological factors that draw them in.

On December 05 2012 09:40 ViktorSC wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.

I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.

The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.

I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.



It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview.


Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest.


Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser

This is true. The fact is these teams are branded team. If theyre players are not good at least they are very popular. That is what keeps them running, remember that any foreign team is in danger of falling to a better korean team.

I dont agree with the business model comment. I believe the problem is players seeking the best team instead of playing their game. What attracts sponsors? Wins, wins, and more wins. How can you always win if you are always taking chances at the best tournament. The money always follows the talent and talent is honed at home. This is actually what is wrong with eSports. You cant run a team like a business because it is not one. But the business you create with it keeps the team running. I was gonna say more but I really need to think about what I want to say... Ill be back.


How are teams not a business?
All real sport teams are run like a business.
If this was 5 years ago when eSports was just a few nerds living in their parent's basement it would be a different story, but the scene has evolved to a semi-legitimacy. To get the best results, sponsorship, and more fans players must adapt to the market.

"All real sport teams are run like a business." First of all, all real sports teams, the best ones, started out as real teams. The reason they are so popular is through years of playing in a town or city. They have to build trust, no? So, its not really a business. They compete, they deal with each other, not customers. They create business by selling shirts, tickets, whatnot like a "real sports team".


Real professional sports teams are businesses, regardless of how they started off. There really is no exception.

IF and when they can get a fan base. If Quantic had the fan base they prob couldve saved the team. We all watched Moneyball. We know how it works. The point is Quantic failed because it was run like a business and not a team. Real teams, Chelsea FC, the Patriots, Dream Team, all run like teams and not businesses. The concept of a team is always in the heart of an organization.

But the business they create allows them to make smart decisions. (Will I get banned for editing my comments many times?)


You watched Moneyball? OMG you must have a great understanding of finance and business...

In what way was Quantic run like a business?
They did not put out consistent streams, popular events, or any sponsor promotion.

The Patriots are the most businesslike team in the NFL. Their players understand they are only good as their last season.
The only real constant in their team since the Belichek era is Tom Brady and Vince Wilfork.
It is because of the pressure and the lack of job security that keeps their players so prepared and motivated.
The Pats front office is the best at quantifying a player's worth, this is the reason behind their success during the era of free agency.

Yeah, 100% right. EG kind of approach it like a 'business' but don't necessarily use that as a stepping stone to improving the team,

I 100% agree that EG's marketing etc is a great way to go. However they all too frequently don't use that to enable them to have a sustainable model that makes their team and their results better, naturally. They may do things like picking up Stephano, or creating a team house that do benefit their team, but it's not necessarily done in a smart way.

I loved Quantic's approach in terms of picking up lots of solid, decent players and improving them. However, unlike EG they didn't sort the business part out first, so even though I liked their approach, it wasn't applied on the solid base, business wise that EG have.

A team with Quantic's approach to team building, and EG's business nous would be beautiful
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 05 2012 02:31 GMT
#455
I'm so saddened to see these players go, I loved every single one of them and really wanted to see them grow.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
December 05 2012 02:32 GMT
#456
After seeing the Quantic name in like every game (don't hold me for this) at IPL- this is just... wow.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 09:58:31
December 05 2012 02:34 GMT
#457
sad
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
December 05 2012 02:37 GMT
#458
On December 05 2012 11:02 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 10:57 Canucklehead wrote:
EG and Liquid will be the last NA teams standing in the end I think.

shoulder to shoulders with arms around each other staring down the coming swarm of koreans


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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 05 2012 02:38 GMT
#459
Good players, management was shit (except for Scott)
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
December 05 2012 02:42 GMT
#460
expected, always no result
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