EPTLings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 56
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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President Dead
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Now, what I hope to see in the Balance thread and on Blizz.net forums is for all of the whiners about the Infestor, crying month after month, to finally shut the fuck up. You got what you wanted, now have to be responsible for your wins and losses vs Zerg. | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:08 President Dead wrote: I wasnt in favor of the Infestor nerf, but I'll live with it. You guys can have your nerf. Now, what I hope to see in the Balance thread and on Blizz.net forums is for all of the whiners about the Infestor, crying month after month, to finally shut the fuck up. You got what you wanted, now have to be responsible for your wins and losses vs Zerg. NO I WANT MORE | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:08 President Dead wrote: I wasnt in favor of the Infestor nerf, but I'll live with it. You guys can have your nerf. Now, what I hope to see in the Balance thread and on Blizz.net forums is for all of the whiners about the Infestor, crying month after month, to finally shut the fuck up. You got what you wanted, now have to be responsible for your wins and losses vs Zerg. Nerf is not enough, carry on with our QQ till its removed from the game... | ||
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GunSec
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:08 President Dead wrote: I wasnt in favor of the Infestor nerf, but I'll live with it. You guys can have your nerf. Now, what I hope to see in the Balance thread and on Blizz.net forums is for all of the whiners about the Infestor, crying month after month, to finally shut the fuck up. You got what you wanted, now have to be responsible for your wins and losses vs Zerg. Probably, but what people aren't realizing is that Zerg is mechanically broken. There is nothing you can do about it unless you redesign the whole SC2 game (not gonna happen, not in a million expansions!). The fact of the matter is that Zerg sort of gets an unfair advantage at the start of the game, where you HAVE to do damage against them or else you will lose. I'm not sure if that contributes to fundamentals of the game or if it is simply poor balance design. Regardless, the whole "Zerg late game imba" thing? Yeah, it's true. I agree with you guys. It is unfair that Terran has to get 10 ravens to seeker missile my brood lords just to watch me remax on Ultralisks and /lol as I a move past their Thors, marines, auto-turrets whatever. Granted in ZvP, that matchup is naturally imbalanced. I don't think Protoss will ever be able to beat Zerg in the late game. As for Tempests (I know i'm trailing off subject here), they are planned to get nerfed so Zerg can have an easier time in the late game. I don't know how I got into a serious discussion in a joke thread, but there ya go. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23769 Posts
OP, do you mind if I include a link to it to reference an article I am currently writing? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23769 Posts
Blizzard brought the Carrier back in response to 'SAVETHECARRIER', but they didn't implement the changes that Tyler recommended that would have made doing so a good change. I was pissed off by this particular approach, not because I love/hate the Carrier, but because the actual reason for doing so was pretty flawed, namely that we were whining about it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23769 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:45 GunSec wrote: well if white people want to beat the koreans then i think they have to practice at least about 12 hours a day. How was Bobby Fischer able to beat the dominating chess grandmasters from soviet? He read over 1000 chess books and spend all his time playing chess, probably over 10000 hours. That's wrong though, with regards to Terran. When Korean Terrans were doing well, Foreign Terrans could at least see the motivation for practicing shitloads, because the Korean Terrans were showing the benefit of doing so. In a world where even the Korean Terrans aren't doing well, who practice more than anyone, why would practicing to that degree be viable, where is the motivation to do that? A player like Kas can hardly be accused of not practicing hard. 'Easy to learn, impossible to master' as a central part of Terran is fine, if it has the corresponding benefits at the peak levels to BALANCE the difficulty in actually playing the race. | ||
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Treehead
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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Beatmania
England33 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:08 President Dead wrote: I wasnt in favor of the Infestor nerf, but I'll live with it. You guys can have your nerf. Now, what I hope to see in the Balance thread and on Blizz.net forums is for all of the whiners about the Infestor, crying month after month, to finally shut the fuck up. You got what you wanted, now have to be responsible for your wins and losses vs Zerg. Don't worry little Patchzerg. The infestors will remain incredibly strong. Terran will just be able to trade better then before. But you should get ready to make some whine posts about 3 base 2/2 raven pushes  . I am thoroughly looking forward to so many Zerg egos being smashed when Terran can get what is needed to battle the BS at a much more reasonable time.Assuming of course "upgrade removed" does infact mean it is acquired for free... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23769 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:08 Kaitokid wrote: meh while I am not satisfied with the current state of zerg this was just too much. unneccessary thread that creates further tension between the players of the different races That's only because of the controversial idea that Blizzard are intentionally trying to placate Zergs though. I think the article is valuable, it's kind of split into two sections 1. Analyses why people don't like the game at the moment, at a deep level. References games, RTS theory, and everything like that. 2. Makes claims that this is an intentional Blizzard conspiracy. I defy anybody to disagree with the first part. It's talking about Patchzergs, but in less negative terms. I genuinely would love to see somebody refute the first part, based on the terms of what Ver is saying. I don't think you can, I think in terms of his analysis of the current metagame vs the old, that he is 100% correct with regards to that. The second part is bad imo, it's based on conjecture and assumptions that Blizz are trying to placate foreigners/Zergs. The second part is the problem, in that it kind of draws out the worst of us, for example it hurts the egos of Zergs by claiming that Blizz is trying to hold their hands etc etc. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
But it also would have dampened the hilarity  . | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
Since the major infestor patch (you know the one, halving duration) which popularized infestors overnight, I have been saying again and again that the effort required to beat zerg vs the effort required to win as zerg was quite clearly disproportionate. However it was unecessary to continually insinuate terran being the most difficult race. Sure it is pretty unforgiving against both races late game, but I'm sure it's less so against protoss. PvT is widely regarded as a matchup where the better player wins; terran's raw midgame prowess with their bio timing pushes would make going into the late game less painful, as opposed to TvZ where the zerg is pretty much impenetrable thanks to how disgustingly overpowered infestors are for defence. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23769 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:19 Qwyn wrote: The second part is satire, Wombat. The first part is serious. IF he had injected references to his "conjecture" earlier in his writing instead of switching to it halfway through, It would have been more widely understood. But it also would have dampened the hilarity . I know its satire, but for those without the intelligence to see that, it'll cause a negative reaction  Basically the kind of Zerg players who are coasting on the current ease of playing the game with their race. For example, I am not anti-Zerg, but anti-Zerg as they exist now I suppose. The phenomenon that Ver addresses is merely there, for me via the same rationale as it is for players at the highest level. I used to play vs a lot of Zergs as practice partners like, 6-12 months ago. Even when I lost, I knew that they had skills like hitting those injects, juggling army vs droning and splitting their army to deal with harass. One of my friends actually attended one of those weird IESF tournaments in Korea (the one Monchi won I think), so he is actually a good player. The Zergs I practice with now, do not have that actual skillset, they are not fucking good at Starcraft, so yeah it gets annoying to lose. The only sad thing is that, this second group are actually at the same ranks in ladder, relative to the rest of the community, than the first group were at that time. Every game that I see a Zerg do things like pull his entire army back to deal with one medivac drops, consistently, and still win in pro games, kills my soul  | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
Very articulate. Well done. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:28 Wombat_NI wrote: I know its satire, but for those without the intelligence to see that, it'll cause a negative reaction Basically the kind of Zerg players who are coasting on the current ease of playing the game with their race. For example, I am not anti-Zerg, but anti-Zerg as they exist now I suppose. The phenomenon that Ver addresses is merely there, for me via the same rationale as it is for players at the highest level. I used to play vs a lot of Zergs as practice partners like, 6-12 months ago. Even when I lost, I knew that they had skills like hitting those injects, juggling army vs droning and splitting their army to deal with harass. One of my friends actually attended one of those weird IESF tournaments in Korea (the one Monchi won I think), so he is actually a good player. The Zergs I practice with now, do not have that actual skillset, they are not fucking good at Starcraft, so yeah it gets annoying to lose. The only sad thing is that, this second group are actually at the same ranks in ladder, relative to the rest of the community, than the first group were at that time. Every game that I see a Zerg do things like pull his entire army back to deal with one medivac drops, consistently, and still win in pro games, kills my soul the skills you talk about are still here, zergs still need to hit injects and split their army etc. the current balance situation is honestly not as bad as many people think. oh and btw pro gamers of the other 2 races do stupid mistakes and play like shit all the time too, just pay close attention when you watch games. who is your friend btw? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23769 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:31 Kaitokid wrote: the skills you talk about are still here, zergs still need to hit injects and split their army etc. the current balance situation is honestly not as bad as many people think. oh and btw pro gamers of the other 2 races do stupid mistakes and play like shit all the time too, just pay close attention when you watch games. who is your friend btw? He's a Swiss guy called Flu, not sure if he's even on Liquipedia. He got to go because the top guy pulled out I think, and he was the next available player in the Swiss qualifiers. He's not a pro player, but he's a pretty decent amateur who I've seen develop from being a scrub to being pretty damn handy. There are still skills to playing Zerg. However, the people who have much greater/wider skillsets with Zerg are not being rewarded proportionally to the Zergs who don't. Donraegu is not benefiting as much from the 'patchzerg' era as say, Scarlett is. Scarlett is maybe a bad example, because she's a good player imo, but you get what I mean. It's a problem that actually pisses Zergs off too probably | ||
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Otsegoflesh
United States2 Posts
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