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On December 09 2012 21:27 poorcloud wrote:
its just normal to see viewer rates decline after the introduction of a game. People shouldn't try to rationalise the drop in viewers due to koreans or whatever.
Numbers are rising for league of legends.
Comprehensive streaming numbers for all games:
http://www.gamestreams.com/top-100-average/
80% of the people on that list stream league.
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Doesn't Destiny now play LoL? so should he not be taken off of the top streamers for sc2 list?
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On December 09 2012 22:33 Finnz wrote:
Doesn't Destiny now play LoL? so should he not be taken off of the top streamers for sc2 list?
The chart clearly shows that he played 5 hours of SC2.
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Those stats only count twitch.tv right ? Because player like Adelscott or feast are streaming everyday on the Millenium TV and the average of viewer is around 3k.
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On December 08 2012 23:29 nihlon wrote:
Does Destiny still stream sc2 or is this list for all streamers on TL?
On December 09 2012 22:33 Finnz wrote:
Doesn't Destiny now play LoL? so should he not be taken off of the top streamers for sc2 list?
Destiny still played roughly 5 hours of SC2 in the last month, hence he's still making it into the list.
On December 09 2012 22:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I dont understand how elfis avarage can be so low. (im admin in elfis stream)
Everyday when he streams, he have all the time over 400 viewers...
Not quite. Every streamer starts out with 0 viewers and slowly works on getting more viewers, so the overall average isn't as high as one might think.
Let's look at some random streaming day from elfi: (first column date, second viewers)
2012-11-19 11:29:26|51
2012-11-19 11:44:26|166
2012-11-19 11:59:26|233
2012-11-19 12:14:26|245
2012-11-19 12:29:27|268
2012-11-19 12:44:26|323
2012-11-19 12:59:26|338
2012-11-19 13:14:26|327
2012-11-19 13:29:26|423
2012-11-19 13:44:26|521
2012-11-19 13:59:26|524
2012-11-19 14:14:26|480
2012-11-19 14:29:26|469
2012-11-19 14:44:26|435
2012-11-19 14:59:27|452
2012-11-19 15:14:26|460
2012-11-19 15:29:26|502
2012-11-19 15:44:26|473
2012-11-19 15:59:26|522
For the majority of the time he's gotten over 400 viewers that day, as you say. But the average is still only 379. Some days it takes longer to work up a good viewership, dragging the average viewership down further.
So, basically, the average viewership is generally lower than one might expect.
On December 09 2012 23:00 warzag wrote:
Those stats only count twitch.tv right ? Because player like Adelscott or feast are streaming everyday on the Millenium TV and the average of viewer is around 3k.
They count for everything that's listed on teamliquid.net, no matter the hosting website (except for youtube, who don't give out viewership data). Do you mean the stream hosted at http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Millenium? I generally don't count team streams in the list. Though I can't find that stream in my log for some odd reason, I'll have to look into that.
Feast is currently streaming at http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MillFeast, having ca. 100 viewers. Which isn't enough to get into the list.
If you have a link to the stream you're talking about, that'd be great. 
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well, november was quite a tournament heavy month..
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I don't know if most viewers would agree with my sentiment, but I used to eagerly watch streams all the time. The same way most people watch TV, sports, News, etc. Many streamers like Destiny,MaximusBlack, and Dragon were very entertaining to listen to and watch.
However recently I find myself less and less willing to watch anyone streaming. The best players often times have the most boring streams. They just sit there silently playing their macro games. I see the same builds and strategies time and time again. No commentary. Very little interaction with their viewers. I mostly watch the underdog streamers, because they still are fighting for viewers and sometimes do/say something funny or interesting. The only big streamers I even bother with are MaximusBlack and Grubby since they both normally have some interaction with their viewers and actually say something. But even there I find myself getting bored and moving to another stream.
Players and streamers like Idra are among the most boring to watch, which really surprises me that his stream is so popular. You just get to look at his stoic face for hours as he plays mostly macro games. Not very entertaining. Not very educational either. You see basically the same stuff over and over again and then a ton of people going "GG" every time he wins. More power to the thousands of folks that think this is a good time. I just can't bring myself to enjoy it.
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On December 10 2012 07:14 deathmirage wrote:
I don't know if most viewers would agree with my sentiment, but I used to eagerly watch streams all the time. The same way most people watch TV, sports, News, etc. Many streamers like Destiny,MaximusBlack, and Dragon were very entertaining to listen to and watch.
However recently I find myself less and less willing to watch anyone streaming. The best players often times have the most boring streams. They just sit there silently playing their macro games. I see the same builds and strategies time and time again. No commentary. Very little interaction with their viewers. I mostly watch the underdog streamers, because they still are fighting for viewers and sometimes do/say something funny or interesting. The only big streamers I even bother with are MaximusBlack and Grubby since they both normally have some interaction with their viewers and actually say something. But even there I find myself getting bored and moving to another stream.
Players and streamers like Idra are among the most boring to watch, which really surprises me that his stream is so popular. You just get to look at his stoic face for hours as he plays mostly macro games. Not very entertaining. Not very educational either. You see basically the same stuff over and over again and then a ton of people going "GG" every time he wins. More power to the thousands of folks that think this is a good time. I just can't bring myself to enjoy it.
Playing high level SC2 it's hard to always be interacting with the viewers or you play worse. Streams like TheOddOne/Aphromoo/Dyrus/Salce/Wingsofdeath (Added Salce because im a fanboy) etc etc etc get so many more viewers simply because of the way LoL is as a game compared to SC2. They can talk through the thought process/get shitty at teammates and stuff which makes it a lot of fun to watch which most SC2 players simply can't do. That coupled with the huge boom in LoL popularity anyway
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forgot to say thanks conti for your thread looking forward to my performance next month ^^
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Thanks alot for the summery. Still love to watch Destiny stream.
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Can't wait to see Jaedongs numbers for December
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Why is Destiny still on this list
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Wow for the TW guy...almost 7 hours a day unless he keeps the stream on whenever hes awake...
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Stream numbers declining. Big Dota names are coming out on top of the SC2 ones in the TL sidebar lately. I expect a lesser decrease in the coming months until the numbers start to plateau.
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Almost that entire list has gone from being a reasonable full time job, to that of a part time gig in terms of financially how successful they would be. It's even more concerning considering november and december are two of the biggest months for advertising. It's even more scary when you consider the #1 league streamer probably beats the #1 sc2 streamers monthly viewer number in a single day.
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Cool to see.
Same as plasemeious, can't wait to see Jaedong's numbers!
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On December 27 2012 10:20 shizaep wrote:
Stream numbers declining. Big Dota names are coming out on top of the SC2 ones in the TL sidebar lately. I expect a lesser decrease in the coming months until the numbers start to plateau.
How many tournaments were played in November? Oh that's right a whole lot of them where players either couldnt stream because they were on a plane/jumping from tournaments with no time somewhere or were preparing for a tournament and didn't want to stream it for obvious reasons.
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On December 10 2012 07:14 deathmirage wrote:
I don't know if most viewers would agree with my sentiment, but I used to eagerly watch streams all the time. The same way most people watch TV, sports, News, etc. Many streamers like Destiny,MaximusBlack, and Dragon were very entertaining to listen to and watch.
However recently I find myself less and less willing to watch anyone streaming. The best players often times have the most boring streams. They just sit there silently playing their macro games. I see the same builds and strategies time and time again. No commentary. Very little interaction with their viewers. I mostly watch the underdog streamers, because they still are fighting for viewers and sometimes do/say something funny or interesting. The only big streamers I even bother with are MaximusBlack and Grubby since they both normally have some interaction with their viewers and actually say something. But even there I find myself getting bored and moving to another stream.
Players and streamers like Idra are among the most boring to watch, which really surprises me that his stream is so popular. You just get to look at his stoic face for hours as he plays mostly macro games. Not very entertaining. Not very educational either. You see basically the same stuff over and over again and then a ton of people going "GG" every time he wins. More power to the thousands of folks that think this is a good time. I just can't bring myself to enjoy it.
I agree that it can be boring to watch a very good player if you are looking for entertainment. Thats why i find it very refreshing to watch Naniwas stream these past weeks becasue he interacts alot and talks while playing. He is actually very funny. Some players I can watch just because their playstyle is likely to bring about some crazy games, like Thorzain who ends up in wild end game scenarios.
edit: ty conti for your hard work on the stats.
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I know there were lots of tourneys last month but it does seem like a rather big drop off for someone like IdrA. I can remember him geting over 10k viewers in the past.
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oh man starcraft really is decreasing a lot in viewer counts lol. So much for DjWheat's "i have seen more starcraft viewers than ever" on the inside the game episode with destiny. Such a shame 
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