EPTI guess the question is, how do I get these datapoints for my own stream with the same accuracy as the rest? I'm worried if I look at the twitch backend, it'll give me much higher numbers. So how could I get similar results for the glhf.tv stream?
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
I guess the question is, how do I get these datapoints for my own stream with the same accuracy as the rest? I'm worried if I look at the twitch backend, it'll give me much higher numbers. So how could I get similar results for the glhf.tv stream? | ||
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Bakku
United States9 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 27 2012 20:26 Martijn wrote: So how do I compare my own numbers to those in the top 50? As casters, I assume glhf.tv doesn't qualify, but I thought I might have had an outside chance of competing with the lower end of the top 50s numbers with the dreamhack commentary, though I worry I didn't get enough hours in. Rest of the month I was either doing street fighter or casting on other streams like prog4mer/insomnia :/ I guess the question is, how do I get these datapoints for my own stream with the same accuracy as the rest? I'm worried if I look at the twitch backend, it'll give me much higher numbers. So how could I get similar results for the glhf.tv stream? I exclude casters/events/shows from the list, so you not appearing there doesn't say anything about your stream numbers. I still have the numbers, though, so I can look them up and send them your way in a few hours (I'm not at home currently). Can you give me your stream-name here on TL? Also, I'd trust twitch.tv's numbers over mine. All I do is getting the numbers from teamliquid, who gets the numbers from twitch.tv and other streaming platforms. Still, it might be interesting to compare my numbers to what twitch.tv's. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On December 27 2012 19:48 Finnz wrote: oh man starcraft really is decreasing a lot in viewer counts lol. So much for DjWheat's "i have seen more starcraft viewers than ever" on the inside the game episode with destiny. Such a shame  Uhm. You realize that the only decrease in this month is likely due to: A - the interest in HoTS B - the fact that the main players you want to see playing HoTS, aren't playing it due to tourney commitments As all the major leagues wrap up and get ready for HoTS being released you will see viewer numbers increase dramatically. There is also something to be said for quality and educational value. The best streamers by far are Thorzain and DeMuslim because both basically commentate their own games along with pro level analysis and they even interact with their audience a bit between games. That's reflected in Thorzain's peak viewer count. 7k is a shitload considering the hours he is streaming. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 27 2012 21:10 Conti wrote: I exclude casters/events/shows from the list, so you not appearing there doesn't say anything about your stream numbers. I still have the numbers, though, so I can look them up and send them your way in a few hours (I'm not at home currently). Can you give me your stream-name here on TL? Also, I'd trust twitch.tv's numbers over mine. All I do is getting the numbers from teamliquid, who gets the numbers from twitch.tv and other streaming platforms. Still, it might be interesting to compare my numbers to what twitch.tv's. Yeah, I assumed twitch's numbers are more accurate, but the issue is I can't really compare them to the ones in the list because (I imagine) the twitch numbers will be higher. I also read in the OP it wouldn't include casters, which is more than fair I think. Just want to see how it compares. If you want any numbers from twitch from my end, I'm willing to provide whatever we have on twitch. Just let me know which you need. My stream shows up as GLHF.tv below the calendar but the TL account it's under is TheGunrun. I appreciate the work, thanks. I think it's cool to maintain a list like this. | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
On December 27 2012 14:02 Random_Guy09 wrote: How many tournaments were played in November? Oh that's right a whole lot of them where players either couldnt stream because they were on a plane/jumping from tournaments with no time somewhere or were preparing for a tournament and didn't want to stream it for obvious reasons. I'm not making any conclusions or giving any reasons for the declining numbers. I'm just stating what the numbers show. Please look at the graph in the OP. Whatever the reason may be, stream numbers have been declining at a very steady rate for the last 3 months. The many tourneys in November may have something to do with lower November numbers but it definitely isn't the only reason. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 27 2012 21:35 Martijn wrote: Yeah, I assumed twitch's numbers are more accurate, but the issue is I can't really compare them to the ones in the list because (I imagine) the twitch numbers will be higher. I also read in the OP it wouldn't include casters, which is more than fair I think. Just want to see how it compares. If you want any numbers from twitch from my end, I'm willing to provide whatever we have on twitch. Just let me know which you need. My stream shows up as GLHF.tv below the calendar but the TL account it's under is TheGunrun. I appreciate the work, thanks. I think it's cool to maintain a list like this. Let's see..last month you had an average viewer count of about 700. There's three events in my database that you streamed: The Idealo.de HotS invitational and Dreamhack Day 1 & 2. Separated by those, you had ~335 average viewers for the HotS invitational, ~1030 average viewers for DH Day 1 and ~600 viewers for DH Day 2. (And that's one of the reasons I don't make a casters top list. Different events have vastly different viewer numbers.) I'd be really curious what your twitch.tv numbers say, just to see if my data is at all accurate.  | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16697 Posts
someone like MaximumBlack up at the top of that kind of ranking. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i'd like to see some kind of "Player Accomplishment" To "Viewer Count" Ratio statistic with a ranking. someone like MaximumBlack up at the top of that kind of ranking. How would you rate "Player Accomplishment"? | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:27 Conti wrote: How would you rate "Player Accomplishment"? Tournament results, I would imagine. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16697 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:27 Conti wrote: How would you rate "Player Accomplishment"? it would be tricky.. Idra would rank far higher than Maximum Black.. i mean they are not even comparable.. whereas their stream numbers are comparable. putting MB way ahead of Idra then we must ask ourselves, what is it MaximumBlack is doing to be able to attract such a large audience? is it solid entertainment or is it "shock jock" swearing and borderline offensive content? if its "shock jock"//"offensive content" then we really have nothing to work with there. but, if its solid entertainment then we have some good information about how to keep viewers interested between games etc. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
I dare bet most of my money on the viewer count drop being a result of the massive amounts of tournaments lately. Sad to know a lot of people will ignore that completely :< | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 28 2012 05:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: it would be tricky.. Idra would rank far higher than Maximum Black.. i mean they are not even comparable.. whereas their stream numbers are comparable. putting MB way ahead of Idra then we must ask ourselves, what is it MaximumBlack is doing to be able to attract such a large audience? is it solid entertainment or is it "shock jock" swearing and borderline offensive content? if its "shock jock"//"offensive content" then we really have nothing to work with there. but, if its solid entertainment then we have some good information about how to keep viewers interested between games etc. Any kind of rating like that would be extremely subjective. I think it's already well established that tournament results are only a minor factor in whether a stream is going to be successful or not. Trying to figure out the other factors would make for an interesting topic, and this list could certainly be used for that. Me, personally, I'd say the most important criteria for a successful stream are name-value, personality and viewer interaction. But there's no way to put any of that into numbers. One thing I could do would be to add the numbers TheBB's rating site (aligulac.com, thread here) to my list. That would be an objective number that shows how good a player is doing in the tournament scene. | ||
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Deezl
United States355 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:36 Deezl wrote: I'd like to see how ROOTLeiYa's numbers compare. She always has plenty of views. LeiYa had 153 average viewers last month, peaking at 428. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
edit: but i think this is the exception as all numbers are down | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On December 28 2012 06:47 Conti wrote: LeiYa had 153 average viewers last month, peaking at 428. Think it would be possible to get some kind of metric of when the sc2 viewers are watching? What timezone is most popular etc. ^^ thanks again for the work Conti! | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 28 2012 08:11 desRow wrote: Think it would be possible to get some kind of metric of when the sc2 viewers are watching? What timezone is most popular etc. ^^ thanks again for the work Conti! That's definitely possible, I just need to find the time to do it. Are you looking for such stats for a particular streamer (i.e. you ), or more in general terms? | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:14 Conti wrote: Let's see..last month you had an average viewer count of about 700. There's three events in my database that you streamed: The Idealo.de HotS invitational and Dreamhack Day 1 & 2. Separated by those, you had ~335 average viewers for the HotS invitational, ~1030 average viewers for DH Day 1 and ~600 viewers for DH Day 2. (And that's one of the reasons I don't make a casters top list. Different events have vastly different viewer numbers.) I'd be really curious what your twitch.tv numbers say, just to see if my data is at all accurate. For the Idealo.de HotS Invitational twitch shows 329 average concurrents, peak 570 Dreamhack day 1 983 average concurrents, peak 2704 Dreamhack day 2 601 average concurrents, peak 953 So the average is actually very close. A deviation of 6 during the Idealo.de HotS invitational, 47 during Dreamhack day 1, 1 during Dreamhack day 2. Dreamhack day 1 was by far the longest cast (11 hours), so it'd make sense we'd see the strongest deviation there. The other 2 (7&6 hours respectively) were shorter. It's most surprising to me that the average from twitch is lower than yours. This might have to do with stream testing and setup for which I don't list the stream on TL obviously and the stream might have not been listed for all of it. | ||
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