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On December 28 2012 18:06 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 04:14 Conti wrote:On December 27 2012 21:35 Martijn wrote:On December 27 2012 21:10 Conti wrote:On December 27 2012 20:26 Martijn wrote:
So how do I compare my own numbers to those in the top 50? As casters, I assume glhf.tv doesn't qualify, but I thought I might have had an outside chance of competing with the lower end of the top 50s numbers with the dreamhack commentary, though I worry I didn't get enough hours in. Rest of the month I was either doing street fighter or casting on other streams like prog4mer/insomnia :/
I guess the question is, how do I get these datapoints for my own stream with the same accuracy as the rest? I'm worried if I look at the twitch backend, it'll give me much higher numbers. So how could I get similar results for the glhf.tv stream? I exclude casters/events/shows from the list, so you not appearing there doesn't say anything about your stream numbers. I still have the numbers, though, so I can look them up and send them your way in a few hours (I'm not at home currently). Can you give me your stream-name here on TL? Also, I'd trust twitch.tv's numbers over mine. All I do is getting the numbers from teamliquid, who gets the numbers from twitch.tv and other streaming platforms. Still, it might be interesting to compare my numbers to what twitch.tv's. Yeah, I assumed twitch's numbers are more accurate, but the issue is I can't really compare them to the ones in the list because (I imagine) the twitch numbers will be higher. I also read in the OP it wouldn't include casters, which is more than fair I think. Just want to see how it compares. If you want any numbers from twitch from my end, I'm willing to provide whatever we have on twitch. Just let me know which you need. My stream shows up as GLHF.tv below the calendar but the TL account it's under is TheGunrun. I appreciate the work, thanks. I think it's cool to maintain a list like this. Let's see..last month you had an average viewer count of about 700. There's three events in my database that you streamed: The Idealo.de HotS invitational and Dreamhack Day 1 & 2. Separated by those, you had ~335 average viewers for the HotS invitational, ~1030 average viewers for DH Day 1 and ~600 viewers for DH Day 2. (And that's one of the reasons I don't make a casters top list. Different events have vastly different viewer numbers.) I'd be really curious what your twitch.tv numbers say, just to see if my data is at all accurate.  For the Idealo.de HotS Invitational twitch shows 329 average concurrents, peak 570 Dreamhack day 1 983 average concurrents, peak 2704 Dreamhack day 2 601 average concurrents, peak 953 So the average is actually very close. A deviation of 6 during the Idealo.de HotS invitational, 47 during Dreamhack day 1, 1 during Dreamhack day 2. Dreamhack day 1 was by far the longest cast (11 hours), so it'd make sense we'd see the strongest deviation there. The other 2 (7&6 hours respectively) were shorter. It's most surprising to me that the average from twitch is lower than yours. This might have to do with stream testing and setup for which I don't list the stream on TL obviously and the stream might have not been listed for all of it.
That's most likely a good reason, yeah. The very beginning of a stream always drags the average numbers down quite a bit, since everyone starts with 0 viewers, and that's definitely not helping the average.
Just for the record, the peaks I have for the events are 509, 2716 and 903, respectively, so the deviations are far greater here. I'm not surprised by that, as I grab my datapoints only every 15 minutes, and a lot can happen in that time. For the average it's not so important, but my peak numbers are often not quite accurate. It's nice to see this confirmed.
I'm pretty puzzled by my DH Day 1 peak of 2716, though, when yours is lower than that. Given that I get the numbers from twitch.tv (through TL.net), there should be no way for my number to be higher than yours there. Weird.
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On December 28 2012 19:56 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 18:06 Martijn wrote:On December 28 2012 04:14 Conti wrote:On December 27 2012 21:35 Martijn wrote:On December 27 2012 21:10 Conti wrote:On December 27 2012 20:26 Martijn wrote:
So how do I compare my own numbers to those in the top 50? As casters, I assume glhf.tv doesn't qualify, but I thought I might have had an outside chance of competing with the lower end of the top 50s numbers with the dreamhack commentary, though I worry I didn't get enough hours in. Rest of the month I was either doing street fighter or casting on other streams like prog4mer/insomnia :/
I guess the question is, how do I get these datapoints for my own stream with the same accuracy as the rest? I'm worried if I look at the twitch backend, it'll give me much higher numbers. So how could I get similar results for the glhf.tv stream? I exclude casters/events/shows from the list, so you not appearing there doesn't say anything about your stream numbers. I still have the numbers, though, so I can look them up and send them your way in a few hours (I'm not at home currently). Can you give me your stream-name here on TL? Also, I'd trust twitch.tv's numbers over mine. All I do is getting the numbers from teamliquid, who gets the numbers from twitch.tv and other streaming platforms. Still, it might be interesting to compare my numbers to what twitch.tv's. Yeah, I assumed twitch's numbers are more accurate, but the issue is I can't really compare them to the ones in the list because (I imagine) the twitch numbers will be higher. I also read in the OP it wouldn't include casters, which is more than fair I think. Just want to see how it compares. If you want any numbers from twitch from my end, I'm willing to provide whatever we have on twitch. Just let me know which you need. My stream shows up as GLHF.tv below the calendar but the TL account it's under is TheGunrun. I appreciate the work, thanks. I think it's cool to maintain a list like this. Let's see..last month you had an average viewer count of about 700. There's three events in my database that you streamed: The Idealo.de HotS invitational and Dreamhack Day 1 & 2. Separated by those, you had ~335 average viewers for the HotS invitational, ~1030 average viewers for DH Day 1 and ~600 viewers for DH Day 2. (And that's one of the reasons I don't make a casters top list. Different events have vastly different viewer numbers.) I'd be really curious what your twitch.tv numbers say, just to see if my data is at all accurate. For the Idealo.de HotS Invitational twitch shows 329 average concurrents, peak 570 Dreamhack day 1 983 average concurrents, peak 2704 Dreamhack day 2 601 average concurrents, peak 953 So the average is actually very close. A deviation of 6 during the Idealo.de HotS invitational, 47 during Dreamhack day 1, 1 during Dreamhack day 2. Dreamhack day 1 was by far the longest cast (11 hours), so it'd make sense we'd see the strongest deviation there. The other 2 (7&6 hours respectively) were shorter. It's most surprising to me that the average from twitch is lower than yours. This might have to do with stream testing and setup for which I don't list the stream on TL obviously and the stream might have not been listed for all of it. That's most likely a good reason, yeah. The very beginning of a stream always drags the average numbers down quite a bit, since everyone starts with 0 viewers, and that's definitely not helping the average. Just for the record, the peaks I have for the events are 509, 2716 and 903, respectively, so the deviations are far greater here. I'm not surprised by that, as I grab my datapoints only every 15 minutes, and a lot can happen in that time. For the average it's not so important, but my peak numbers are often not quite accurate. It's nice to see this confirmed. I'm pretty puzzled by my DH Day 1 peak of 2716, though, when yours is lower than that. Given that I get the numbers from twitch.tv (through TL.net), there should be no way for my number to be higher than yours there. Weird.
Yeah that surprises me too.. Let me do a double-take.
Edit: It looks like twitch might store stats once an hour which would imply your averages are more accurate, aside from the "0 viewer" start. Obviously the max of either is the max. I'll poke fishstixs and thegunrun, see if they can clarify how the stats are collected.
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Things have seriously declined, just march this year, Idra and Stephano average 7k viewers. WhiteRa did 4k. This is the oldest data i could find in your own topic links.
Both Idra's an Whitera's avg. viewership has been cut in roughly half, i cannot just blindly accept the idea that it is because of tournaments. These tournaments also promote players to a larger audience.
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i guess one of the mainreasons why viewernumbers are going down is that sc2 tactics came to an end and most players are playing the same style over and over again, sadly enough this style isnt a very attractive one(very passive/turtlelike overall, and deathball issue is making the game very boring overall), for myself i dont watch that much sc2 anymore and tend to watch more dota2 streams, the main reason is that players arnt that concentrated in their pubs and talk alot while sc2 players often are very quiet and focused overall and dont joke alot, this and the very boring gameplay makes the game less attractive to watch.
thats my opinion
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Well Destiny doesn't stream sc2 anymore so you could pretty much take him out from the list.
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On December 28 2012 20:21 Tyree wrote:
Things have seriously declined, just march this year, Idra and Stephano average 7k viewers. WhiteRa did 4k. This is the oldest data i could find in your own topic links.
Both Idra's an Whitera's avg. viewership has been cut in roughly half, i cannot just blindly accept the idea that it is because of tournaments. These tournaments also promote players to a larger audience.
Really, use October, or just about any other month than November. Even second string casters like me had an event every weekend in November. You can't really compare these numbers to several months ago. Players, casters and viewers alike were massively busy heh. Between practicing for tournaments (obviously you don't want that streamed), the tournaments and travel, there just wasn't much time left to stream or watch player streams.
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On December 28 2012 20:40 PiQLiQ wrote:
Well Destiny doesn't stream sc2 anymore so you could pretty much take him out from the list.
Dİd he quit sc2 completely?
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On December 28 2012 21:00 Silentenigma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 20:40 PiQLiQ wrote:
Well Destiny doesn't stream sc2 anymore so you could pretty much take him out from the list. Dİd he quit sc2 completely?
Yes he did. Hes going for the high elo plays as we speak. >_<
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On December 28 2012 08:21 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 08:11 desRow wrote:On December 28 2012 06:47 Conti wrote:On December 28 2012 06:36 Deezl wrote:
I'd like to see how ROOTLeiYa's numbers compare. She always has plenty of views. LeiYa had 153 average viewers last month, peaking at 428. Think it would be possible to get some kind of metric of when the sc2 viewers are watching? What timezone is most popular etc. ^^ thanks again for the work Conti! That's definitely possible, I just need to find the time to do it. Are you looking for such stats for a particular streamer (i.e. you ), or more in general terms?
in general
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Hmm, yeah, that's kinda tricky. Can you access that stream from teamliquid.net? Dayshi is currently streaming, but I can't find neither him nor Millenium TV on TL.net, and that's where I get all my data from.
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