EPTKeSPA policy for int. tournament participation - Page 3
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:55 KookyMonster wrote: I think that most players can't (realistically) go to a tournament without team approval. This isn't specific to KeSPA so I don't really see the issue as KeSPA, more the system in general (if one even wanted to open up the possibility for criticism). Kespa aren't a team, the team's are required to get KESPA's approval. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:35 ChoiSulli wrote: "there closed mindedness" thats what you got from reading that? man one of us is way off on his reading comprehension, English is my third language so its probably me. No, I just don't think KeSPA should be ruling the players with an iron fist. If a player is invited to a foreign tournament I don't see why he/she shouldn't be able to participate unless it conflicts with an already scheduled match. The decision should then come down to his/her team and the player, not KeSPA organizational body. This statement that was just released says that they have final say over everything. So, for example, lets say DH does something that pisses KeSPA off, KeSPA has the power to control and stop all players from participating in select tournament(s). Do you really think KeSPA should have that kind of control over the players/teams? | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:55 Talin wrote: Kespa is as alive as companies behind it (including Samsung) deem reasonable to invest in the esports side of things. Even if the ship is sinking, it's simply because Samsung & co have many other ships they prefer investing in. I am not referring to the companies, but rather the hold they have on the scene. They don't have anywhere near the kind of grip they had in the past, in SC2 or LoL. | ||
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MidgetHumper
United Kingdom280 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:00 achan1058 wrote: I am not referring to the companies, but rather the hold they have on the scene. They don't have anywhere near the kind of grip they had in the past, in SC2 or LoL. I'll rephrase it in your terms then - they have as much hold as they want to have or think is worth having. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:01 Talin wrote: I'll rephrase it in your terms then - they have as much hold as they want to have or think is worth having. Rather, they have as much hold as they can have without making unreasonably sacrifices. They might be richer than Red Bull, but KeSPA's pocket isn't infinite. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:52 opisska wrote: That doesn't mean the we have to neccessarily copy this model. Only because it is so widespread does not mean that it is somehow transcendentaly "better". It leads to many undesired consequences, such as corruption, doping (when relevant) and other underground methods - becuase in the closed competition, everyone has the other one's back. There's a reason why that model is widespread. Owners will only invest money in teams when they feel safe, and get control, they will not invest in freelancers who do whatever they want. eSF teams got sponsors, they don't have owners, basically they are just clan of freelancers. We can copy the tennis model into SC2, but I doubt SC2 scene got the mojo and money for that kind of model. Even in tennis, low ranked players still struggle hard, not like in team sports. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:04 Xcobidoo wrote: Kespa and OGN is like the NHL of eSports Kespa has samsung and very popular Korean brands that back it. Meanwhile GOMTV is sponsored by one of the least popular energy drinks in Korea and iirc a Korean travel agency one season? Are you kidding me? Then again I expect to read this shit from idiots in these threads and I still read them. User was warned for this post | ||
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Taefox
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:12 foxj wrote: Does this affect BoguS in IPL5 ? I wonder the OP states that bogus/ipl5 is fine | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:04 achan1058 wrote: Rather, they have as much hold as they can have without making unreasonably sacrifices. They might be richer than Red Bull, but KeSPA's pocket isn't infinite. They see no real benefit for them to invest more in esports, so obviously investing more would be unreasonable. Either way, they're as strong as they want to be. If esports had greater potential and it paid off for them to invest into overseas tournaments, they easily have the financial potential to do so. If they wanted to own the entirety of the Korean scene and ESF as a whole, they could. But the investment wouldn't be justified. | ||
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Mirhi
United States389 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
no offense but the way ppl ditched GSL for something else multiple of times show how amateurish it was. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On December 01 2012 03:24 Arceus wrote: I laugh at kids thinking eSF environment (or "model") is better. As the one above me points out, eSF teams are a bunch of sponsored "free" gamers. When the sponsors pull out, they are done for. Meanwhile KeSPA players are basically employees of Korean corporations, governed by a body that has a tie with the country's ministry. It's a no brainer which one is the professional here. no offense but the way ppl ditched GSL for something else multiple of times show how amateurish it was. To the last part of your post. They ditched the GSL to attend a foreign event for one reason. That reason is to gain foreign fans and hopefully land on a foreign team. They don't care about the GSL or OSL they just want to leave their current and land on a team that actually pays money. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:48 achan1058 wrote: Is Najin in KeSPA? Azubu probably isn't, and CJ Entus last time I check was even worse than IM"s team. It's not like KeSPA actually has a real grip on LoL. KT Rolster's 2nd team is on top of the OGN league right now (although they really just picked up StarTale's disbanded team). | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Jeez. Oh well. Glad they cleared it up | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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