EPTI really hope that the people who signed these contract read them well,because that's basically lifting the finger to freedom.
This is a very korean approach,i can't understand that as an european.
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
I really hope that the people who signed these contract read them well,because that's basically lifting the finger to freedom. This is a very korean approach,i can't understand that as an european. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
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IamZieK
Canada162 Posts
Kespa really needs to step up and be more friendly also to be taking the initiative to get players in these tournaments. I would be curious to see how low the foreign viewer numbers hold up for them since anytime someone says Kespa we all go "whats the problem this time?" | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
And i don't see people complaining that MVP and Nestea are not flying 24/7 to play in every tournament.what was Nesteas last international event? | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On December 01 2012 11:46 MateShade wrote: I don't see the issue with thisat all. If I ran kespa I would have the same policies. I put money into a league and teams, and I'll make sure I protect that league. The players are free to go so long as there is good notice and the scheduling can be arranged. What the fuck is wrong with that? I swear people who weren't even around in brood war jump on the kespas evil band wagon and say stupid shit like these posts. Agreed. There is nothing incriminating about their statement. I feel weird saying this, but it's more plausible to me that the foreign community went off half-cocked than that kespa is full of shit. Yeah, I need to go shower now. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On December 01 2012 07:21 rasers wrote: so you have hundreds of pros without a job? and most likely insta kill SC2 in korea? sure. but the fact that people see drama or whatever in this. just shows that people only blindly hate them. sc2 would be fine without kespa. was fine for 2 years haha | ||
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Kigal
4 Posts
On December 01 2012 12:50 robopork wrote: Agreed. There is nothing incriminating about their statement. I feel weird saying this, but it's more plausible to me that the foreign community went off half-cocked than that kespa is full of shit. Yeah, I need to go shower now. As a fan of brood, I also took it badly that they dropped my game and switched totally for sc2. It's not that surprising that they go hated by the foreign community by applying their strict regulation, but men, they created e-sport you know... SC2 shouldn't ignore KeSPA, but instead create KeSPA-like association to protect the players' rights because that's the only way you make people become from geeky kids to real pro. | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On December 01 2012 12:27 IamZieK wrote: I know Kespa is right in this. But the scene doesn't work around Kespa. I feel this kind of route for esports hurts it. Kespa has every right to do this but as the fans. I still haven't seen any Kespa players other then in the GSL or MLG. I do not intend to purchase their ticket for vods either. I've bought gsl every season since release and paying for both just seems like a lot. Many sc2 players have been gsl fans and Kespa is hiding their players away, it helps them improve but they remain in the shadows. Kespa really needs to step up and be more friendly also to be taking the initiative to get players in these tournaments. I would be curious to see how low the foreign viewer numbers hold up for them since anytime someone says Kespa we all go "whats the problem this time?" Kespa is also heavily invested in their own leagues, which if nothing else get to play the "we were here first" card. Satisfying fans' curiosity about their hyped players by sending them out to foreign events in droves is just bad business. Since you haven't payed for (the impressively inexpensive) OSL, you're kind of proving their point. You can just watch GSL and see the best kespa has to offer and that's fine, right? From their standpoint, that's lost business. It's a fine line between advertising your content in other events and just giving up your market to the competition. But more importantly, at least to me, they have a culture they want to protect. That, and they have become uncharacteristically cooperative, civil, and transparent since the sc2 transition. Not that I'd use them as a roll model for any of those things, but considering where they've come from? I'm happy to fork up the extra cash as a vote of confidence. And about the whole hurting esports thing, if you can't afford it you can't afford it. I've been there (didn't watch a lot of gsl vods in college), and no one should feel bad about it. But nothing hurts esports more than fans who aren't willing to purchase content. + Show Spoiler + Except maybe fans who send torch and pitchfork emails to sponsors. :p edit: spelling and some wording | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
Except maybe fans who send torch and pitchfork emails to sponsors. I first I thought you meant  TorcH and then I was like who is ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) PitchFork? | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
This one seems reasonable, unless they're the ones lying, which I think is unlikely. | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 01 2012 11:46 shid0x wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. I really hope that the people who signed these contract read them well,because that's basically lifting the finger to freedom. This is a very korean approach,i can't understand that as an european. because like nada got 600k for 2-3 years flash jangbi fantasy etc, they get like the 10 times as much money as any non kespa team would pay kespa has right and power because its where the money is | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 01 2012 11:46 shid0x wrote: This is a very korean approach,i can't understand that as an european. You can't understand how professional sports and associations work in Europe? -_- There's nothing "Korean" about this at all. Kespa as an association is just operating on a more organized and serious level compared to the west, a level much closer to how professional sports work. It's insane to demand that players should be able to choose the tournaments they play in and manage their own work time while contracted to a professional team. | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4540 Posts
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On December 01 2012 22:42 Liquid`Ret wrote: I doubt that Kespa players could even play in IPL. The MLG and Kespa partnership is still valid. One of the 2 would block it from happening. Yeah, I thought that Kespa players were not allowed to participate in international events that weren't MLG. I guess there was an exception for players with automatic qualification, which is why Bogus could play. The statement says that Kespa didn't need to be approached regarding inviting Bogus because he qualified automatically but didn't explain why this didn't conflict with their MLG partnership, but I presume the reason is similar. But if Kespa has an agreement with MLG then why not just state that here? They explain how they want non-Kespa tournaments to go about inviting/negotiating with Kespa players, but even if IGN had approached Kespa would they have got any answer besides "Not possible"? I don't want to make any judgements on this yet. All I know is that Kespa claim they were never approached by IGN while Mirhi says otherwise. On December 01 2012 03:18 Mirhi wrote: Though we have gone through several avenues in speaking to KeSPA, we have been unsuccessful in reaching KeSPA in the past. Now we have their attention we would like to extend the invitation again. We welcome KeSPA players in all IPL events, present and future. I don't know if I should take Mirhi's post as an official statement from IGN or not though. Whatever the case may be, I hope Kespa comes to an agreement with other tournament organisers. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 01 2012 05:49 rauk wrote: another kespa team would buy him 100% in the event that t8 disbanded. it's not like foreign teams have the money to buy jaedong to begin with, EG would literally have to release every other sc2 player on their team to afford him. EG has a lot of money. They just gave incontrol a raise. I'm sure if they can afford that, they have some money left over for jaedong.  | ||
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