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I'm with KeSPA on this one. IPL's parent company is owned by Rupert Murdoc. Man is known for his business prowess (read: cutthroat ) I too would be nervous and cautious if I were KeSPA.
But I think KeSPA really needed to do this sooner. Release a formal statement regarding their player policies, etc. ahead of time in anticipation of other tournaments/companies throwing them under the bus. Tsk Tsk. Poor business sense.
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Say what you want about Kespa, but at least they're putting the reputation of the organization, leagues and teams first. It's no different than what any other pro sports organization would (and does) do.
In many ways, it would make more sense if there were other organizations that represented players and teams like this. It would make for a better overall scene.
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Am I the only one who just wants KeSPA to die quickly? I don't get why people adore them so much, they're full of drama, full of bullshit, and always think they're in the right.
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On December 01 2012 07:18 Jamial wrote: Am I the only one who just wants KeSPA to die quickly? I don't get why people adore them so much, they're full of drama, full of bullshit, and always think they're in the right. so you have hundreds of pros without a job? and most likely insta kill SC2 in korea? sure.
but the fact that people see drama or whatever in this. just shows that people only blindly hate them.
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Sounds reasonable. This helps avoid schedule conflicts with OSL and especially with Proleague, which will have an extremely rigorous schedule that will be impacted by the plethora of international tournaments that are constantly occurring. If everything is organized and discussed thoroughly in time beforehand, we may avoid situations like Rain falling out of Code S for MLG.
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KeSPA teams could just say "hey contact this guy"...
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On December 01 2012 07:18 Jamial wrote: Am I the only one who just wants KeSPA to die quickly? I don't get why people adore them so much, they're full of drama, full of bullshit, and always think they're in the right.
Most of the time people hate on Kespa, not agree with them, so you're wrong on the adoration bit. Second, any successful sprots league has an organization that has rules that may on the outside (or even inside) seem draconian but overall are necessary to help the sport thrive. Kespa has at least shown that they can play that necessary evil successfully.
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On December 01 2012 07:30 GohgamX wrote: KeSPA teams could just say "hey contact this guy"...
This is basically what they are saying -.-; They are saying contact the main office so we can make sure everything seems straight
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On December 01 2012 07:18 Jamial wrote: Am I the only one who just wants KeSPA to die quickly? I don't get why people adore them so much, they're full of drama, full of bullshit, and always think they're in the right.
Compared to the esf which has never been involved in any drama *COUGH NASL COUGH* of *COUGH everything involving Slayers ever COUGH* course.
The entire esports scene is a dramafest of epic proporitions. Kespa is comparitively quiet. When's the last time you heard of Kespa managers bitching out their players in public (which is to say, in media such as twitter etc.)?
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On December 01 2012 03:18 Mirhi wrote: Though we have gone through several avenues in speaking to KeSPA, we have been unsuccessful in reaching KeSPA in the past. Now we have their attention we would like to extend the invitation again. We welcome KeSPA players in all IPL events, present and future.
I'm sorry, but how can one organization be "uncessfull in reaching" another organization. Don't organizations have like... communication people that are responsible for reaching and being reached? Either Kespa is plain out lying and IPL does not want to name&shame to keep future participation possibilities, or IPL has really failed with engaging in communication.
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I personally really dislike KeSpa, and get a strong vibe of them always vying for status/power at too high of collateral costs. I hope as eSports is becoming dependent on the 'west' (incl. Europe), that KeSpa is forced to adapt or become obsolete.
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So. KESPA is the bad guy for making sure their players are prepared and NOT jet lagged so their league is as good as possible? Clearly, I am killing eSports. Shame on me.
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im alittle confused.. if the kespa statement is true why is there so much hate towards kespa? they stated clearly that they werent contacted about participation? can some one please explain to me how this is cause hate towards them?
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On December 01 2012 08:29 psychotics wrote: im alittle confused.. if the kespa statement is true why is there so much hate towards kespa? they stated clearly that they werent contacted about participation? can some one please explain to me how this is cause hate towards them? cause like always. people just hate KeSPA for the sake of hating them.
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On December 01 2012 08:29 psychotics wrote: im alittle confused.. if the kespa statement is true why is there so much hate towards kespa? they stated clearly that they werent contacted about participation? can some one please explain to me how this is cause hate towards them?
in this particular thread, the complaints and hate are spoken by naive/ignorant haters. no need to be confused, either join the hate wagon which entertains me and the likes or just ignore those posts.
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puro pinche chisme on this forum.
seriously though, the way kespa relates with any outside organization is stupider than jr high couples. they are always such babies about everything, they never want to talk directly and are always on some HE SAID, SHE SAID kinda shit. i hope that as sc2 grows that they will stop being such wusses about everything, it would be great for the game, not having to deal with tremendous talents missing out on so many opportunities just because kespa wants to flex their muscles in front of everyones faces.
i guess IPL could have tried a little harder, but kespa shouldn't make the people trying to give them opportunities chase them and jump through hoops just to talk to them, ridiculous.
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Hmm. Seems fair to me. Good on Kespa to release this.
On December 01 2012 08:34 urbaNo wrote: puro pinche chisme on this forum.
seriously though, the way kespa relates with any outside organization is stupider than jr high couples. they are always such babies about everything, they never want to talk directly and are always on some HE SAID, SHE SAID kinda shit. i hope that as sc2 grows that they will stop being such wusses about everything, it would be great for the game, not having to deal with tremendous talents missing out on so many opportunities just because kespa wants to flex their muscles in front of everyones faces.
i guess IPL could have tried a little harder, but kespa shouldn't make the people trying to give them opportunities chase them and jump through hoops just to talk to them, ridiculous.
What hoops? If what they said is true, IPL did not contact Kespa directly period.
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Well saves work for the team when it comes to scheduling.
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On December 01 2012 08:34 urbaNo wrote: puro pinche chisme on this forum.
seriously though, the way kespa relates with any outside organization is stupider than jr high couples. they are always such babies about everything, they never want to talk directly and are always on some HE SAID, SHE SAID kinda shit. i hope that as sc2 grows that they will stop being such wusses about everything, it would be great for the game, not having to deal with tremendous talents missing out on so many opportunities just because kespa wants to flex their muscles in front of everyones faces.
i guess IPL could have tried a little harder, but kespa shouldn't make the people trying to give them opportunities chase them and jump through hoops just to talk to them, ridiculous.
How is it stupider than jr high couples? Their statement basically is as cut and dry business as you can get in pretty much any sector.
They aren't making anyone jump through hoops or anything. They are saying if you want participation from their work force, you should talk to their head office and not the individual team. To steal from a previous post, it is like if I worked for a company and was the best in the business, another business should talk to my boss if it is possible for me to go work for you on a contractual basis. If my boss is okay with it because it doesn't get in the way of my own work...then no problem. If it gets in the way of my obligations to my paid job...then it'll be denied. You don't go straight to the employee that is under contract.
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IGN Shouldn't just get dibs on Flash & Jaedong for viewers and lock the other players out. Kespa is doing good in this scenario...
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