lets hope they can survive with this much unneccesary beurocracy. whole hat with kespa players pretty much died down already. they dont levirage enough to force this.

Wingblade

United States1806 Posts

November 30 2012 18:58 GMT

#63

On December 01 2012 03:18 Mirhi wrote:
Though we have gone through several avenues in speaking to KeSPA, we have been unsuccessful in reaching KeSPA in the past. Now we have their attention we would like to extend the invitation again. We welcome KeSPA players in all IPL events, present and future.

Alright. Then you should definitely try to go through whatever official "channels" they are talking about, and keep a log of the conversation so that you can be sure and have the proof should you need it.

Wingblade

United States1806 Posts

November 30 2012 19:02 GMT

#64

Am I missing something from the ESF bandwagon? Are ESF supporters(typically I'm one of them) supposed to rip on KeSPA at every opportunity? All I see is KeSPA setting a precedent for their policy regarding international tournaments. You want KeSPA players, talk to KeSPA first. There will be an OSL/Proleague interlapping with a foreign tournament at some point. You will have to talk to KeSPA to see if they can or are willing to make adjustments to let their players play. There just setting a precedent, their policy on foreign tournaments. And its a pretty rational policy. Our tourneys come before international tourneys for our players. Talk to us first.

There's really no reason to rip on KeSPA unless there is some proof of dishonesty. Which there isn't as of right now. Can we stop the drama please?

Taters_

Finland123 Posts

November 30 2012 19:02 GMT

#65

Afaik kespa is an organisation overseeing their members' rights and priviliges not unlike a trade union or another universal governing body like the olympic commitee or FIA. The problem with this is that unlike olympic commitee, FIA or even trade unions they have power over only a marginal group of an excessive industry so their actions how beneficial they may be are left quite inconsequitial. They mostlikely are indeed working for the sole benefit (or atleast mainly to benefit) their members in ways most of us can't see and understand as the community of esports is world wide and they mainly only exist in korea and also majority of us aren't even professionals, just very commited fans. The policy of all negotiations going through official channels are very likely to ensure, especially when an international tournament of which there hasn't been much experience beforehand, to discuss how and who is responsible of areas in which are needed to concern while having sent players abroad to ensure their well being. Stuff like accomodation, food expenditure, travel, if something goes wrong who is responsible over insurace etc. and going all the way through to how is the organization going to guarantee payoff in the eventuality of one of the players winning (seen a number of threads about people not reciving their prizemoney). ESports as a concept though is not at all like any industry seen really before as there is no real sole governing body (which I think it rather needs) but alliances that control their own sections holding various events without much coordination or communication.

The reason for my post though was just to express my view on how kespa is and why it does what it does, though I can't say I'm an expert having only so much experience with it so far, but I think the views mostly about it are some what narrowminded and one dimensional but mostly I think that's in kespas fault not being transparent enough in their actions and not having communicated enough to public.

MrCon

France29748 Posts

November 30 2012 19:12 GMT

#66

The thing that need to be clear is : will Kespa transmit foreign invites to teams ?
If yes, then no problem.
If they claim they never had any contact when they had, problem.
They say IPL never contacted them in this press release.

achan1058

1091 Posts

November 30 2012 19:12 GMT

#67

On December 01 2012 03:33 JBright wrote:

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KT Rolster's 2nd team is on top of the OGN league right now (although they really just picked up StarTale's disbanded team).

lol...... StarTale made a real mistake there, then. They should have negotiated harder with Red Bull or something, but it isn't news that ST coach is prone to make mistakes.

ZerglingTwins

United States850 Posts

November 30 2012 19:13 GMT

#68

On December 01 2012 04:12 MrCon wrote:
The thing that need to be clear is : will Kespa transmit foreign invites to teams ?
If yes, then no problem.
If they claim they never had any contact when they had, problem.
They say IPL never contacted them in this press release.

KeSPA is board of team owners, what do you think? If KeSPA knows, team owners know.

For example, team 8 is sponsored by KeSPA, but basically it is the other 7 teams providing support for them. Just like New Orlean Hornets.

Salazarz

Korea (South)2591 Posts

November 30 2012 19:18 GMT

#69

On December 01 2012 03:45 Markwerf wrote:
This whole stuff is retarded, Kespa is a completely unneccesary organisation that needlessly complicates communication and the like.

KeSPA is the only reason Jaedong still has a job.

Felvo

United States124 Posts

November 30 2012 19:24 GMT

#70

Seems perfectly logical to me. It does help their schedule and if the big leagues cooperated more like this it would probably benefit all the players in the future. If you contact the heads of the leagues and work out any scheduling prior to invites it prevents any cases where a player needs to pick between tournaments such as when Rain left GSL to compete in MLG.

BlazeFury01

United States1460 Posts

November 30 2012 19:29 GMT

#71

There's so many retarded posts in this thread it's ridiculous. Kespa is the governing entity over "their" teams. It's their league and their players therefore attendance for Kespa events is critical as it would be the same for any other sport. Imagine Kobe Bryant going overseas to Europe to play in some tournament while his team is playing in the regular season in the United States. Even if the team managers were cool with it, the NBA committee wouldn't be because prior approval wasn't granted. I don't see anything wrong here as the whole approval thing is about scheduling. Kespa manages the players and asking to know the who, what, when, and where before approving it is not a bad thing like a lot of these posts are making it out to be.

DrakeFZX3

United States925 Posts

November 30 2012 19:30 GMT

#72

On December 01 2012 04:18 Salazarz wrote:

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KeSPA is the only reason Jaedong still has a job.

Oh please. If KeSPA doesn't keep Jaedong paid, ESF or foreign teams will gladly pick him up.

jinorazi

Korea (South)4948 Posts

November 30 2012 19:32 GMT

#73

some of you guys are making too much sense in a kespa thread.
what the hell is happening??

rasers

Sweden691 Posts

November 30 2012 19:34 GMT

#74

On December 01 2012 04:30 DrakeFZX3 wrote:

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Oh please. If KeSPA doesn't keep Jaedong paid, ESF or foreign teams will gladly pick him up.

and give him some place 2 eat and sleep and practice? :D great.

BlazeFury01

United States1460 Posts

November 30 2012 19:36 GMT

#75

On December 01 2012 04:30 DrakeFZX3 wrote:

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Oh please. If KeSPA doesn't keep Jaedong paid, ESF or foreign teams will gladly pick him up.

Kespa chose to do that before ESF was even established.

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

November 30 2012 19:38 GMT

#76

KeSPA wants outsider leagues to negotiate with KeSPA directly so there's no conflict with OSL or PL .. uhh what's the problem here again?

BlazeFury01

United States1460 Posts

November 30 2012 19:39 GMT

#77

On December 01 2012 04:38 ArvickHero wrote:
KeSPA wants outsider leagues to negotiate with KeSPA directly so there's no conflict with OSL or PL .. uhh what's the problem here again?

That's what I'm saying dog. There shouldn't be a Problem here. People are making something out of nothing.

Kal_rA

United States2925 Posts

November 30 2012 19:42 GMT

#78

On December 01 2012 02:13 amazingxkcd wrote:
So basically if you want kespa players, you need to talk to kespa first. Got it.

cool cool.. nothings changed